Posted by franco12:

Posted by knicks1248:

That kg trade was evidence enough to have you thinking what a trade can do. Again, every one can agree the knicks have talant, so adding a superstar and a true leader means a lot. Also take in to consideration that if they put together a roster that fits the coaches system like jvg had, thats an equal bonus. In past years none of the coaches and gms have been on the same page, Aside from the steph issue walsh & mike have been right there with there thoughts.

More then anything, we need a super star PG to really jump start this team. Im ok with duhon as a back up, but a starter is what we desperately need. IMO nash and kidd are not options unless you get lucky in this years draft and pick rubio or curry. If that happens you definitely go all out for kidd or nash as tutors for the next 2 to 3 years, also attracting a super star or two in the process. But if there's no pg in the wings and you sign a pg at his peak this off season, then you best be have everything in order to be a contender by 2k10/2k11 or else yeah... it will be 2k15 before were title contenders

the kg trade & the ray allen trade - made possible by ainge stockpiling lots of young players - we don't have anywhere near that kind of depth.

And yes- actually - if we were to land Rubio in the draft, our prospects might instantly look better.

And I am not talking title contenders. I just want us to be playing past round 1.

Posted by nixluva:

It's not just about 2010 and really never has been. We were going to need to make improvements before then anyway. To go into next season with the talent we have isn't so bad. Add a draft pick to an already talented young core and then look to add a star or two using our cap space. The timing will be just right IMO.

This is where having a competent GM and front office will bring huge benefits. We have a style of play we're looking to establish and now Walsh can go and identify the kind of players we need to succeed in this system. PG - Curry?, SG - Rip? or maybe Wade in 2010 and a shotblocker - Amare?.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by nixluva:

It's not just about 2010 and really never has been. We were going to need to make improvements before then anyway. To go into next season with the talent we have isn't so bad. Add a draft pick to an already talented young core and then look to add a star or two using our cap space. The timing will be just right IMO.

This is where having a competent GM and front office will bring huge benefits. We have a style of play we're looking to establish and now Walsh can go and identify the kind of players we need to succeed in this system. PG - Curry?, SG - Rip? or maybe Wade in 2010 and a shotblocker - Amare?.

I think you are fooling yourself. I think Walsh gave Dolan a guarantee for 2010. If Walsh fails to bring in Lebron, Wade or equal superstar talent I don't think Dolan brings him back and I'm not sure if Walsh would want to come back because the honeymoon would be officially over. That's why he is talking playoffs for 2010 right now and willing to forgo his 2010 salary cap ban. No playoff runs got the last two GMs booted more than anything else the bottom line at MSG is making the playoffs to put their year in black. BTW, what is Dolan's relationship with Walsh because that impacts the world beyond 2010 as well.

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by franco12:

I'm watching the playoffs here and the teams left - are we going to get to their level after 2010? Even if we get LeBron, what kind of supporting cast do we have?

These teams left playing have all stars and have been built over several years.

In my opinion, 2010 starts the rebuilding, and that at that point, you're looking at a five year plan.

Franco you are one of the few around here who is actually thinking.

The only way to build up this team is through the draft and trying to get a top pick. We are not going to get anyone in the 2010 free agent market that will get us to a championship.

[Edited by - subzero0 on 05-15-2009 1:01 PM]

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by franco12:

I'm watching the playoffs here and the teams left - are we going to get to their level after 2010? Even if we get LeBron, what kind of supporting cast do we have?

These teams left playing have all stars and have been built over several years.

In my opinion, 2010 starts the rebuilding, and that at that point, you're looking at a five year plan.

Franco you are one of the few around here who is actually thinking.

The only way to build up this team is through the draft and trying to get a top pick. We are not going to get anyone in the 2010 free agent market that will get us to a championship.

[Edited by - subzero0 on 05-15-2009 1:01 PM]

Posted by oohah:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by franco12:

I'm watching the playoffs here and the teams left - are we going to get to their level after 2010? Even if we get LeBron, what kind of supporting cast do we have?

These teams left playing have all stars and have been built over several years.

In my opinion, 2010 starts the rebuilding, and that at that point, you're looking at a five year plan.

Franco you are one of the few around here who is actually thinking.

The only way to build up this team is through the draft and trying to get a top pick. We are not going to get anyone in the 2010 free agent market that will get us to a championship.

[Edited by - subzero0 on 05-15-2009 1:01 PM]

Yes I have to agree with you guys. I recall when Walsh traded Randolph and Crawford all the threads around here were lit up with "We got LeBron now!" talk etc. As if we were guaranteed to land those stars.

If I recall correctly, subzero (Or swish) was one of the few guys to not take the approach that the Knicks were absolutely guaranteed a savior/superstar and got bashed mercilessly for it.

I agree subzero. I see no reason that LeBron or Wade will show up here when they will get more $$ from their own teams and they will have much better players already in place.

I also agree that the Knicks only real hope is to land a superstar through the draft. It does happen, after all! Then, with the tons of cash built up, the Knicks could land some complimentary players. I think that is a more realistic scenario than landing James or Wade, but it depends on getting really lucky in the draft.

oohah

the issue I have with Walsh - and I'm a broken record with this - is the Crawford trade. I don't understand how he couldn't have gotten back a future first round pick from a play off bound team & filler for Crawford.

Instead, Walsh wanted to have his cake and eat it too - just like Isiah- he wanted cap room, but he wanted to try to stay being good.

Revisit the Crawford trade & rather than Harrington, lets say we got back garbage that still ended before 2010 & a late/mid first round pick.

We'd have lost more games this year and probably been able to get a better pick ourselves this year.

Rather than take a step back to try to get unstuck and move forward, we continue to press forward blindly without really positioning ourselves for future success.

And this is why I am worrying that the Walsh era is going to end just better than the Isiah era, but still without setting a realistic foundation for future success.