Everyone is talking about what do to with the first or second pick, but what do we do if we get pick 3?

There is a huge drop off in the talent pool after the 2nd pick.

Do the Knicks pick Harden? Thabeet? Try to put together a package along with pick 3 for Rubio (probably # 2)?

I think the responsible pick would be Jordan Hill. We lack big men. If we could grab Jordan Hill and BJ Mullens that would really help us long term upfront. I still think our WORST problem is size.
I would save the money on David Lee in this case--try to facilitate a S+T for a 2010 1st round pick for both Nate and Lee

Hill/Thabeet/DeRozan/Jennings are all viable options at #3

I think the responsible pick would be Jordan Hill. We lack big men. If we could grab Jordan Hill and BJ Mullens that would really help us long term upfront. I still think our WORST problem is size.
I would save the money on David Lee in this case--try to facilitate a S+T for a 2010 1st round pick for both Nate and Lee

Taking Jordan Hill, at the number 3 pick to me, is a reach. You don't just take a big for the sake of getting one. Yes size is a need on this team, however so is basically every position on this team besides SF, and maybe PF (depending on Lee's situation). Hill would NEVER go top 5 in a stronger draft, he is only ranked where he is because of how week this draft is for bigs. Just my opinion, but I think Hill has amonst the highest bust potential in this draft.

Based on how I rank this draft today I would go James Harden at 3, assuming Rubio is gone. This team needs a SG and Harden while not a superstar talent, can be a great number 2/3 scorer on a good team. He is a very good shooter and good passer for his position. He also has the leadership and work ethic we all say the Knicks so desperatly need. Not a flashy pick, but he will in my mind almost certainly be an effective one.

Posted by NYKPHINS:

I think the responsible pick would be Jordan Hill. We lack big men. If we could grab Jordan Hill and BJ Mullens that would really help us long term upfront. I still think our WORST problem is size.
I would save the money on David Lee in this case--try to facilitate a S+T for a 2010 1st round pick for both Nate and Lee

Taking Jordan Hill, at the number 3 pick to me, is a reach. You don't just take a big for the sake of getting one. Yes size is a need on this team, however so is basically every position on this team besides SF, and maybe PF (depending on Lee's situation). Hill would NEVER go top 5 in a stronger draft, he is only ranked where he is because of how week this draft is for bigs. Just my opinion, but I think Hill has amonst the highest bust potential in this draft.

Based on how I rank this draft today I would go James Harden at 3, assuming Rubio is gone. This team needs a SG and Harden while not a superstar talent, can be a great number 2/3 scorer on a good team. He is a very good shooter and good passer for his position. He also has the leadership and work ethic we all say the Knicks so desperatly need. Not a flashy pick, but he will in my mind almost certainly be an effective one.

There are some red flags with Harden too... he's not considered as an athlete, was though to get by on polish. At the end of the season, his stats went down, and there was grumble it was due to defenses getting smarter against him. Not only are defenses going to be smarter against him at the pro level, he'll likely get outclassed physically.

I'd rather take a chance on size at three than Harden, though I'm not opposed to him generally speaking

Posted by BRIGGS:

I think the responsible pick would be Jordan Hill. We lack big men. If we could grab Jordan Hill and BJ Mullens that would really help us long term upfront. I still think our WORST problem is size.
I would save the money on David Lee in this case--try to facilitate a S+T for a 2010 1st round pick for both Nate and Lee

Briggs I know some Hill's family. His cousin is one of my best and long time friend of mine 20 years. I met hill right before he went to Arizona at a family funeral , he was tall, lanky and looked like a young kid, especially his build.... from what I hear, his family thinks he needs another year. I feel the same. He will be good, but this kid hasn't played ball all that long. He is pretty raw, has a ways to go... I think the knicks need a huge upgrade in talent and not just size...

Posted by tkf:

Posted by BRIGGS:

I think the responsible pick would be Jordan Hill. We lack big men. If we could grab Jordan Hill and BJ Mullens that would really help us long term upfront. I still think our WORST problem is size.
I would save the money on David Lee in this case--try to facilitate a S+T for a 2010 1st round pick for both Nate and Lee

Briggs I know some Hill's family. His cousin is one of my best and long time friend of mine 20 years. I met hill right before he went to Arizona at a family funeral , he was tall, lanky and looked like a young kid, especially his build.... from what I hear, his family thinks he needs another year. I feel the same. He will be good, but this kid hasn't played ball all that long. He is pretty raw, has a ways to go... I think the knicks need a huge upgrade in talent and not just size...

What--he is easily the second most ready big man. Need another year--did you watch AZ even once?

Posted by VDesai:

Jordan Hill would avg close to 10 rpg in the NBA right now I think. He was already playing 35 mpg a a game and producing at a high level. I don't know that he needs another year. He's a solid propsect- maybe not top 3 in post years but definitely top 10. He should have a very good NBA career.

There is no one who is going to say Jordan Hill is not ready for the NBA--that is ridiculous. You can speculate on his talent level--he sure looks like a very good up tempo PF prospect to me--this guy is not slipping in this draft. Thabeet Hill and Griffin are all gone by pick 5.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by BRIGGS:

I think the responsible pick would be Jordan Hill. We lack big men. If we could grab Jordan Hill and BJ Mullens that would really help us long term upfront. I still think our WORST problem is size.
I would save the money on David Lee in this case--try to facilitate a S+T for a 2010 1st round pick for both Nate and Lee

Briggs I know some Hill's family. His cousin is one of my best and long time friend of mine 20 years. I met hill right before he went to Arizona at a family funeral , he was tall, lanky and looked like a young kid, especially his build.... from what I hear, his family thinks he needs another year. I feel the same. He will be good, but this kid hasn't played ball all that long. He is pretty raw, has a ways to go... I think the knicks need a huge upgrade in talent and not just size...

What--he is easily the second most ready big man. Need another year--did you watch AZ even once?

NO, I didn't watch them once.. I watched them about 8 times Briggs.. and vs louisville and their front line which has NBA type athletes, he looked overmatched and scared at times. Scared to go up and when he did, his shot was wide or getting partially blocked......

Being the second most ready big man in this draft is like comming in second in a two man race.... big friggin deal briggs!!


most of these guys can play in the NBA right now. I think hill with another year of college can really maximize his abilities.... He will go high, some team will take him high, I think another year for him, will do him well... but whatever...

[Edited by - tkf on 22-04-2009 11:30 PM]

i told u guys a long time ago Jordan Hill's gonna be better than David Lee & i still believe that... he's a guy that will be able to make an impact on both ends of the floor.

This is kind of a snap question. Ive never really considered this option. This needs more thought and I think I would need to know if Wall is in or out. Snap call says go big because we are small. But is the value of big at 3 there with Hill or Thabeet? I think Thabeet would be out and Hill would garner significant thought and a serious look. At first glance Hill looks like a ready made 4 for uptempo basketball.

Could we produce a scenario where we traded down AND picked up an unrestricted[or very little restriction] 2010 from a shaky team team later in the lottery who would care to move up 6-10 spots and make them throw in their 2nd rounder this year as well?

I would say the answer after thinking about for awhile is we need more info of who is actually IN and who isnt. Also we would need to get the pick:)