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Who do you think is the best point guard in this draft subtract
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BRIGGS
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4/21/2009  10:24 AM
Rubio and Tyreke Evans[if you consider him a viable PG]

I think it's clearly Johnny Flynn. He plays longer and bigger than Ty Lawson--he is cat quick and incredibly strong getting into the lane at will--he's a lockdown defender. He's got great vision ball handling skills and body control. His jumpshot is average but his form is solid. He's a tad small but otherwise I think his game might translate to the pros better than the other options--especially in higher tempo action.
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4/21/2009  10:29 AM
Don't know enough about the prospects as I don't follow College BBall or Euro Ball, but from what I have read Rubio is the best talent out there right now for PG.
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4/21/2009  10:33 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Rubio and Tyreke Evans[if you consider him a viable PG]

I think it's clearly Johnny Flynn. He plays longer and bigger than Ty Lawson--he is cat quick and incredibly strong getting into the lane at will--he's a lockdown defender. He's got great vision ball handling skills and body control. His jumpshot is average but his form is solid. He's a tad small but otherwise I think his game might translate to the pros better than the other options--especially in higher tempo action.


I guess that leaves Brandon Jennings, Stephon Curry and Eric Maynor.

For me it would come down to Jennings and Curry.

I've never seen Jennings play a second of live basketball --- on film he looks super quick and not afraid to pass -- his outside shot although suspect looks good in terms of form and high arc.

Curry could be dynamic for us under D'Antoni.

I'm not sure yet either way but my gut tells me the Knicks will select Curry if he's there at 8.
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4/21/2009  10:34 AM
I haven't seen enough of Rubio to decide but I am confident that Flynn is a very good prospect. Mainly because I seen a lot more of him. Simple enough, they both should compete in workouts.
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4/21/2009  10:39 AM
I don't want Curry to be our selection should we remain in the 8th spot. But its ok, we WILL move up.


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4/21/2009  10:42 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

I haven't seen enough of Rubio to decide but I am confident that Flynn is a very good prospect. Mainly because I seen a lot more of him. Simple enough, they both should compete in workouts.

Flynn is very strong in his lower body and I think that translates better than Curry or Jennings. In college you can really clog the lane but you cant in the NBA. If you watch him he gets to the rim and finishes with contact. He's got a great first step and explodes to the rim using his body to protect the ball to finish against bigger players--he's very good at going to the other side of the rim using a reverse lay up. In terms of point guard skills ballhandling and passing--he's clearly a top 3 prospect from that position. He handles like a yo-yo and he finds his teammates when they are open. If he laid off the 3 ball and played more like a Chris Paul or Tony Parker where he goes to the rim or mid range--he should be close to a 50% shooter in the NBA. Ty Lawson and Flynn are probably in the same class in terms of strength--maybe Lawson has him up top but Flynn plays at the rim while Lawson clearly plays below it.
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4/21/2009  11:02 AM
I think it has to be Jennings. It's something about him that screams future Star.
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4/21/2009  11:06 AM
Jennings sucks, man. If you check out all those comments on that realgm site, it's pretty obvious that he's WACKAROONIE. Check his stats in euroleague, man.
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4/21/2009  11:30 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Rubio and Tyreke Evans[if you consider him a viable PG]

I think it's clearly Johnny Flynn. He plays longer and bigger than Ty Lawson--he is cat quick and incredibly strong getting into the lane at will--he's a lockdown defender. He's got great vision ball handling skills and body control. His jumpshot is average but his form is solid. He's a tad small but otherwise I think his game might translate to the pros better than the other options--especially in higher tempo action.

I like flynn a lot.. if we get a guard like rubio or flynn, and then add a guy like T-will with a later pick, our backcourt will be set...

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4/21/2009  12:07 PM
Hmm...interesting question.

I pick Rubio (obviously) if he is there, but if not....

I'd be interested to see what Curry could do if given the reigns (albeit slowly) to an NBA team running 's system. If he can get in the gym a bit and put on some weight and speed up a little with some conditioning, he just might be able to run things effectively.

Personally, I look for a PG with the right head on his shoulders to be able to play the position properly. That has to be the most important aspect of the position. Nash won 2 MVP's not because he was an athletic freak who defenders couldnt stay in front of, but because he simply understood how the game works.

I'll take a thinking player like Curry or Nash who is less athletic over a star athlete who doesnt understand how to run a team (Nate and possibly Jennings, although I have little to base that on for him, its just a hunch)
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4/21/2009  12:10 PM
Jennings sucks, man. If you check out all those comments on that realgm site, it's pretty obvious that he's WACKAROONIE. Check his stats in euroleague, man.

If you sent any of these young PG oversea like Jennings they will struggle. So don't go by those numbers alone.
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4/21/2009  12:12 PM
Why all this hate for Jennings
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4/21/2009  12:17 PM
I dont really have anything against Jennings. I havnt really seen him play much at all (I dont think anyone really has, he's been in Europe and simply hasnt played all that much).

I understand that the Euro stats dont translate and its dumb to think that he'll be a bust based only on the numbers.

Im just saying that if the choice came down to it, I'd be interested to see what Curry might be able to do with the team. I'm pretty sure that Jennings could do really well too, and I'd actually be excited to see him as the pick. Im just a bit hesistant and I cant quite put my finger on the reason why.

Lets just be safe and pick Rubio
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4/21/2009  12:49 PM
Posted by kingofelpaso:

I dont really have anything against Jennings. I havnt really seen him play much at all (I dont think anyone really has, he's been in Europe and simply hasnt played all that much).

I understand that the Euro stats dont translate and its dumb to think that he'll be a bust based only on the numbers.

Im just saying that if the choice came down to it, I'd be interested to see what Curry might be able to do with the team. I'm pretty sure that Jennings could do really well too, and I'd actually be excited to see him as the pick. Im just a bit hesistant and I cant quite put my finger on the reason why.

Lets just be safe and pick Rubio

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4/21/2009  1:12 PM
I've been high on Flynn for a little over a week now. I have only seen his tape but it is very clear he is a bulldog with handle. He reminds me a little of Nate but with a head on his shoulders. If we don't land a top 3 pick we should really consider him. I have a feeling he will move up in the draft though and might crack the top 10. I'm not sure if teams needing point guards are going to want to chance it on one of the "high upside" guys. I think Flynn is the clear choice (as you know what you are getting and that is damn good), oh, and as you said, he is a lock down defender (or at least very very good).

I think for this offense we need a VERY HEADY PG and that is why I like Rubio above all the others. Hopefully we can move up and get him but if not Flynn is a great prospect.

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4/21/2009  1:16 PM

Can Curry be a Ben GOrdan type in the NBA? Thats what his game is like in College.

Curry is not a point guard. Question is can he become one?
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4/21/2009  1:24 PM
I like Jennings, Maynor, Mills, and Flynn

And, no, I don't think Evans is a PG. He's a hybrid G prospect. So, yes, he has talent, yes he's big, but I'd prefer to stay away from Jamal Crawford 2.0

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4/21/2009  1:26 PM
Flynn is too small for what Walsh and MDA want. I think they want a legit 6'2"+ PG.

I like Earthmansurfer's comment about him being Nate with a head on his shoulders, but, unfortunately, he is not much taller than Nate, and I think that Walsh and MDA have made enough comments about Nate's height as a detriment to make me think that Flynn is not an option.

Could be wrong, but...
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4/21/2009  1:27 PM
I love Flynn, but he's maybe 5'9". I'd go with Maynor.
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4/21/2009  1:40 PM
I would disagree about Flynn's height being a detriment, at least in this offense. Think about it, he is near a "lock down defender". He puts effort into his D, Nate doesn't (We all know Nate could get 4 steals a game, but that would take from his Offense and his paycheck, we see where his head is). Flynn knows how to run a team, Nate doesn't. I see it that a players height can be a detriment, but it depends on the system and player. Nate hurts us in many ways and those ways are not made up for at all by his helter skelter offense. Also, a good defender like Flynn is in this system is such a bonus, as the pg is to run the offense and score when necessary, so if he can negate the opposing pg with his D and O then it's a plus. I really feel Flyn can do that soon...

Now, tall or short, get us a point guard who can play on both sides of the ball. Get us a point guard who can handle playing in NY. That is so often overlooked. (Think of baseball where players just can't handle NY). I think Flynn or Rubio would excel here.

Paladin, I see how height can help, as you can see over defenders better and of course pass better. But guys like Flynn have elite level athleticism to penetrate and dish, or just plane create space from the outside and pass. I do see this as a worry, but at the PG position in particular, I wouldn't let it be the deciding factor.
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