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Dare I mention the name Channing Frye?
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kingofelpaso
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4/16/2009  9:41 AM
Am I correct in thinking that Frye is RFA this summer? If so, I'm not so sure it would be a terrible idea to bring him back, even if only for a short while. He's a big 4 who can rebound (a bit) and I believe would be decent in the pick and roll. Not saying that he's a difference maker, but he might do nicely in a scoring roll off the bench under 's system.

Can the Knicks look to have him included along with other players in a trade with Portland?

This really is a small issue when there are so many other huge considerations this off season, but still worth a ponder
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4/16/2009  9:53 AM
I like Snickerdoodle. I think he is a good fit in D'Antoni's system.
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4/16/2009  9:54 AM
LOL. Dude Frye is horrible, I was very outspoken in not wanting him drafted in the first place and he proved to be a horrible draft pick. As I've said many times before...

JUST SAY NO TO CHANNING FRYE!
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4/16/2009  9:57 AM
He would probably play 5 here. He's not a great player, but he's worth the LLE. He can at least shoot a jumper and run a bit.
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4/16/2009  10:10 AM
Nice kid, good attitude but he's SOFT. Plus they love him in Portland so I don't think he's going anywhere.
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4/16/2009  10:15 AM
Yeah, I remember him being a softie, I was just wondering whether he'd do well off the bench.

I've heard that he loves Portland, but thats the first time I've heard that Portland loves him back
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4/16/2009  10:20 AM
another guy you can get on the cheap is patrick o'bryant.
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4/16/2009  11:57 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

another guy you can get on the cheap is patrick o'bryant.

Can he shoot?
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4/16/2009  12:16 PM
Posted by K22:

Nice kid, good attitude but he's SOFT. Plus they love him in Portland so I don't think he's going anywhere.

I can't believe they will bring him back? An NBDL player can put up the same numbers he is, and will be a lot cheaper.
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4/16/2009  12:25 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by djsunyc:

another guy you can get on the cheap is patrick o'bryant.

Can he shoot?

yes.
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4/16/2009  12:43 PM
Frye had 12-4-3 last night in 17 minutes and looked pretty good from the few minutes that I watched. If he'd take a one year deal I'd give him a cheap deal, but he looks good enough to get a deal with a lot of clubs. I bet he stays out West.
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4/16/2009  2:22 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Frye had 12-4-3 last night in 17 minutes and looked pretty good from the few minutes that I watched. If he'd take a one year deal I'd give him a cheap deal, but he looks good enough to get a deal with a lot of clubs. I bet he stays out West.

Oh well if he looked good in the few minutes you watched then without a doubt we should sign him

I don't think Channing has any desire to ever come back to NY. He made a few "circus" comments after he left. I think he's happier in a slower paced environment. Plus, not sure how he would help us. If we are looking for a big man we need a shot blocking, rugged type. I'd hate to waste money on another soft big man. I also think that D'Antoni will want someone very versatile that can guard all 3 front court positions(at least that's what he should be looking for). Not sure Frye can guard any.
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4/16/2009  9:14 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Frye had 12-4-3 last night in 17 minutes and looked pretty good from the few minutes that I watched. If he'd take a one year deal I'd give him a cheap deal, but he looks good enough to get a deal with a lot of clubs. I bet he stays out West.

Oh well if he looked good in the few minutes you watched then without a doubt we should sign him

I don't think Channing has any desire to ever come back to NY. He made a few "circus" comments after he left. I think he's happier in a slower paced environment. Plus, not sure how he would help us. If we are looking for a big man we need a shot blocking, rugged type. I'd hate to waste money on another soft big man. I also think that D'Antoni will want someone very versatile that can guard all 3 front court positions(at least that's what he should be looking for). Not sure Frye can guard any.

Easy bro. He just doesn't look like the same nervous kid anymore. I'm not saying, hey let's sign him to a multi-year deal. I would think that we're going to sign someone to the LLE, or the MLE for one year. If we can't get a serious vet because we're not a contending team, then we could do worse than Channing.
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4/16/2009  10:11 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Frye had 12-4-3 last night in 17 minutes and looked pretty good from the few minutes that I watched. If he'd take a one year deal I'd give him a cheap deal, but he looks good enough to get a deal with a lot of clubs. I bet he stays out West.

Oh well if he looked good in the few minutes you watched then without a doubt we should sign him

I don't think Channing has any desire to ever come back to NY. He made a few "circus" comments after he left. I think he's happier in a slower paced environment. Plus, not sure how he would help us. If we are looking for a big man we need a shot blocking, rugged type. I'd hate to waste money on another soft big man. I also think that D'Antoni will want someone very versatile that can guard all 3 front court positions(at least that's what he should be looking for). Not sure Frye can guard any.

Easy bro. He just doesn't look like the same nervous kid anymore. I'm not saying, hey let's sign him to a multi-year deal. I would think that we're going to sign someone to the LLE, or the MLE for one year. If we can't get a serious vet because we're not a contending team, then we could do worse than Channing.

Frye > Jefferies. I saw last nights game and Frye was ballin' I would welcome him back for the simple reason he is better than Wilcox, Curry and anyone from the D-League. I would sign Frye for Duhon type contract. I think he did well his rookie year and what can I say his second year is when turmoil hit the roof for the entire Knicks team.

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4/16/2009  11:08 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Frye had 12-4-3 last night in 17 minutes and looked pretty good from the few minutes that I watched. If he'd take a one year deal I'd give him a cheap deal, but he looks good enough to get a deal with a lot of clubs. I bet he stays out West.

Oh well if he looked good in the few minutes you watched then without a doubt we should sign him

I don't think Channing has any desire to ever come back to NY. He made a few "circus" comments after he left. I think he's happier in a slower paced environment. Plus, not sure how he would help us. If we are looking for a big man we need a shot blocking, rugged type. I'd hate to waste money on another soft big man. I also think that D'Antoni will want someone very versatile that can guard all 3 front court positions(at least that's what he should be looking for). Not sure Frye can guard any.

Easy bro. He just doesn't look like the same nervous kid anymore. I'm not saying, hey let's sign him to a multi-year deal. I would think that we're going to sign someone to the LLE, or the MLE for one year. If we can't get a serious vet because we're not a contending team, then we could do worse than Channing.

JW, there's some truth to what you're saying - Frye can shoot the ball and he's not terrible, but I gotta agree with most here - he's very soft. All-around soft as in no rebounding, no defense soft. Not interested in bringing him back and it's a shame too because I was actually OK with drafting Frye at the time. Unfortunately, he's nowhere near the player I thought he'd be...

I'd still like to see them draft Jeff Teague with the pick if we remain in the 8th spot and he's still on the board. This kid's got dynamite skills and I'd love to see him be MDA's do-it-all scoring floor leader for the forseeable future. With the 8th pick he makes the most sense to me - I like him the best of all the PGs available and better than any other player that'll be there at that spot. Now if we wind up lucking out in the lottery and we draft higher, you adjust accordingly and maybe go after a super potential guy like a DeRozan or someone else. But if those guys are gone, I'd be fine with Teague. Adequate size at 6'2" (doesn't have Tyreke Evans-type size but he's not one of these barely 6' guys either), very good handle, sometimes a little too flashy and reckless with the ball but he's shown the ability to set up others (this aspect of his game should only get better over time as they assemble some good talent around him btw), can get anywhere on the court he wants at any time, can shoot, makes his FTs and he'll defend (guy got plenty of steals and I've seen him surprisingly get up to block a shot or two on occasion). Very exciting player to add to the mix here. Just like Bayless last year (the guy I wanted in the draft), I don't care if I have a floor general that's offensive-minded. If anything I consider that a plus. There are other PGs in this draft who will be steady performers, but I don't see any of them with this kid's skills. HUGE upgrade over Chris Duhon. He's got take-over-the-game type ability and as he matures and fills out a little bit, I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be a very good player in the NBA for a long time.

After that, I'd look to sure up the roster with as many lower picks as we can get our hands. I think there will be a ton of talent from say 15 all the way into the second round/possibly even undrafted that can help us and either fill holes or wind up being adequate replacements for some of the players we have now:
- DeJuan Blair (Guy's a beast and will be a good NBA player - tough, rugged interior presence with a huge wingspan that won't disappoint and would serve as an adequate replacement for Lee).
- Sam Young (Good budding all-around skills at the 3 and could replace Chandler in the rotation if they decided to use Wilson in a trade).
- Taj Gibson (Would make for an excellent reserve PF - a plus athlete who can score and defend inside. PAC 10 defensive player of the year was one of the best shot-blockers in America this past season. A smart player who also makes good decisions, can handle the ball a little and run the floor).
- KC Rivers (Nice two-way shooting guard prospect who has decent size at 6'5" and can really shoot the ball).
- Jack McClinton (Scorer's mentality. I could absolutely see him excelling in the NBA in a Leandro Barbosa/Nate Robinson scoring guard off the bench role. Not a true PG but he's got enough handle and court awareness to play some point if need be).
- Trevor Booker (At 6'7" he's not the tallest PF ever but he's a wide body that's aggressive & possesses a lot of nice skills to offer a team playing inside. I think he compares very favorably to DeJuan Blair/Anthony Mason/Paul Millsap myself).
- AD Vassallo (6'6" shooting guard from VA Tech has plus size for the position and a very smooth floor game. Outside of the stinker he had in the NIT against Baylor where his whole team played poorly, this kid impressed me every time I saw him play).

Also, trade targets for me - Anthony Randolph or Kosta Koufos. What can you say, Briggs was right on this kid Randolph last year and deserves some credit. Randolph's got tremendous all-around skills and he's only gonna get better. Not sure I see the Kevin Garnett comparison but to me he's a combination of Odom on offensive with Tayshaun Prince/Ty Thomas defensive ability all in 1 package. GS would be crazy to trade him but I'd still call and look to put something together using Lee, Nate and Chandler - all three of those guys can be replaced. And I like Briggs' thought process on trading for Koufos as well. He's the type of center prospect that MDA would be interested in - legit 7', can hold his own inside, shoot it well with nice range, run the court while eating up enough space to supply adequate defense. Like Randolph, Utah would be nuts to deal him, but you never know until you pick up the phone.

Impossible to grab all of these guys I suppose but as of right now, this continues to be the blueprint I'd look to work from. The two trade targets might be a little bit of a reach but we at least have a real good chance to add a solid/plus PG prospect and some quality low end talent in this draft that can really help shape this roster rather quickly.


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4/16/2009  11:14 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Frye had 12-4-3 last night in 17 minutes and looked pretty good from the few minutes that I watched. If he'd take a one year deal I'd give him a cheap deal, but he looks good enough to get a deal with a lot of clubs. I bet he stays out West.

Oh well if he looked good in the few minutes you watched then without a doubt we should sign him

I don't think Channing has any desire to ever come back to NY. He made a few "circus" comments after he left. I think he's happier in a slower paced environment. Plus, not sure how he would help us. If we are looking for a big man we need a shot blocking, rugged type. I'd hate to waste money on another soft big man. I also think that D'Antoni will want someone very versatile that can guard all 3 front court positions(at least that's what he should be looking for). Not sure Frye can guard any.

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4/17/2009  9:26 AM
Frye looks good because he is on a team that is stacked at the 4/5 position. The length of the players on Portland is RIDICULOUS! Not to mention they have Roy. He has no reason to leave that team, great things are coming for them.

Portland has the potential to reach the levels it did when Sheed was there and they were challenging the Lakers deep in the playoffs. They are a little young for that right now but I think this playoff experience for them will be the start of the maturity process - they definitely have a bright future.
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4/17/2009  9:55 AM
Frye looked good for almost a whole season practically- playing the kind of game which he would be efficient in here. Pick and roll, running the floor. The spectre of the "bust" is pretty much making it difficult for anyone to see his use here- but he's not a complete bum. He can be a solid contributor in the right system, if not a borderline starter.
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4/17/2009  10:38 AM
Frye + Lee = softest defensive front court in the NBA.

Why aim so low? Forget Frye, resign Wilcox to the same low money, short-term deal. At least he will provide a little much-needed strength.
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4/17/2009  11:11 AM
Posted by nychamp:

Frye + Lee = softest defensive front court in the NBA.

Why aim so low? Forget Frye, resign Wilcox to the same low money, short-term deal. At least he will provide a little much-needed strength.


Lee + Wilcox is even softer, Lee + Curry gets even softer, Lee + Harrington softest. At least Frye will make an attempt to block shots these other guys don't even bother.
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