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Pharzeone
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4/12/2009  10:02 AM
Frank Isola, Daily News


Chris Duhon was an unexcused no-show in February when the Knicks' charter flight returned home from Miami the morning after their loss to Dwyane Wade and the Heat.

When Stephon Marbury went AWOL in November of 2007, his disappearance became national news. Duhon's error in judgment, however, barely caused a ripple outside of the Knicks organization.

The official word was that Duhon overslept, which is entirely plausible. But the incident did raise additional concerns about Duhon's lifestyle - which were first broached last summer before Duhon joined the Knicks on a two-year, $12 million contract - and whether his affinity for the nightlife is directly linked to the point guard's rapidly declining play during the second half of the season.

As Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni evaluate 2008-09 and begin building next season's team, Duhon's future will be one of the main topics. According to a source, the Knicks will try to upgrade at the position with the idea of making Duhon the backup, which appears to be a more suitable role for him.

A trade is not out of the question since Duhon is entering the final year of his contract. However, Duhon has a strong supporter in D'Antoni, who, on the advice of Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski, lobbied Walsh to sign the point guard last July.

The move paved the way for the Knicks to begin divorce proceedings with Marbury, the incumbent starter who never played a minute this season before negotiating a buyout two months ago.

D'Antoni had enough confidence in Duhon that he anointed him the starting point guard before training camp began and demoted the more accomplished Marbury. For a time, the controversial decision appeared to be the proper move. In the Knicks' first 46 games, Duhon averaged 12.7 points, eight assists and 2.85 turnovers. Plus, the Knicks were in the thick of the playoff hunt, going 21-25 through January.

But as Duhon has fallen off, so too have the Knicks. Since Feb.1, Duhon has averaged 10.1 points, 6.1 assists and 2.87 turnovers while the Knicks have gone 10-24 and managed to go from playoff contender to irrelevant.

Duhon has acknowledged that his body has felt the impact of averaging a career-high 37 minutes per game. Duhon enters tonight's final road game, against the Heat, having already played 2,849 minutes, shattering his previous high of 2,177 set during his rookie season of 2004-05 with Chicago.

Duhon clearly looks a step slower and that became apparent two weeks ago against the Utah Jazz when Deron Williams easily beat him to a loose ball even though Duhon was at least three feet closer to it. Scouts have also noticed that D'Antoni's renowned running game has become a jogging game over the last few months with Duhon running the point.

Once D'Antoni determined that Marbury didn't fit into his plans, the Knicks suffered because they didn't have a suitable backup to limit Duhon's minutes. Nate Robinson is more of a scoring guard whose poor decision-making drives D'Antoni crazy. Signing Anthony Roberson over the summer was a mistake since he was a shooting guard who never found his stroke, and he was eventually traded to the Bulls in the Larry Hughes deal.

This summer the Knicks may explore the possibility of acquiring Steve Nash, the maestro of D'Antoni's "Seven Seconds or Less" offense in Phoenix. According to sources, the Suns want to sign Nash to a contract extension but would honor his request for a trade if he was looking to move on. Whether the Suns would agree to a deal with the Knicks, however, remains to be seen.

There is also talk of the Charlotte Bobcats looking to move Raymond Felton. Philadelphia's Andre Miller would be an ideal fit, but the Sixers are expected to re-sign him.


[Edited by - pharzeone on 04-12-2009 10:11 AM]
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Pharzeone
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4/12/2009  10:10 AM
Another year past and looks like the Knicks are back at square one. Looking for a starting point guard. Give Duhon $12 million to only find out what everyone else already knew. Get rid of Marbury and bring in Roberson. Only to find out that Roberson isn't what D'Antoni wanted or thought he was. Keep Marbury on the roster when you needed to free it up. Now the answer is to draft a point guard but you still need a solid post presence which none were address during the last draft? Sign Kidd or Nash for more money than you gave Duhon? More questions than answers. Hey it's only Dolan's money.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 04-12-2009 10:11 AM]
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4/12/2009  10:37 AM
You draft Jeff Teague and that's your upgrade right there. I'm really surprised more people don't like Teague. NBAdraft.net compares him to Kevin Johnson. I can see that but I also see a smaller Dwayne Wade mixed with a little Allen Iverson as well. I love this kid's talent level and ability to play both sides of the ball. He's gonna be very exciting to watch in the pros. Last year I wanted Jerryd Bayless with our pick - I think Jeff Teague's even better.
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4/12/2009  10:39 AM
I don't know about square one.
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4/12/2009  11:37 AM
Duhon better chill TFO w/those college jailbait groupies & start getting acting like a professional... he's making big bucks now.

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4/12/2009  2:03 PM
I don't get the title of the topic. Duhon makes $6 million a year, not 12. Next season is also the final year of his contract. There was never anything wrong with this signing.
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4/12/2009  2:31 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

I don't get the title of the topic. Duhon makes $6 million a year, not 12. Next season is also the final year of his contract. There was never anything wrong with this signing.

i was just gonna post the same thing.
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4/12/2009  3:03 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by GKFv2:

I don't get the title of the topic. Duhon makes $6 million a year, not 12. Next season is also the final year of his contract. There was never anything wrong with this signing.

i was just gonna post the same thing.

Here, I'll help both of you out with it. Duhon sucks and the Knicks paid $12 million to find out. That is all.
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4/12/2009  3:06 PM
no, they paid $6 mil per for a 2 year stopgap solution at PG... why is this a problem to you? u think we coulda had a better option starting for us at PG this year? Nate? sorry, he's not a PG.
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4/12/2009  3:09 PM
Posted by TMS:

no, they paid $6 mil per for a 2 year stopgap solution at PG... why is this a problem to you? u think we coulda had a better option starting for us at PG this year? Nate? sorry, he's not a PG.

He still has $6 million due to him unless you convince him not to take the money. Even if you trade him, you still have to take back $6 million. I am offended because the Knicks ran to give him the money. I think they announced the signing aroung the 4th of July. Duhon admitted he was promised the starting spot. Due dilligence was not done. Like I said it's only Dolan's money Walsh is throwing around.
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:

no, they paid $6 mil per for a 2 year stopgap solution at PG... why is this a problem to you? u think we coulda had a better option starting for us at PG this year? Nate? sorry, he's not a PG.

He still has $6 million due to him unless you convince him not to take the money. Even if you trade him, you still have to take back $6 million. I am offended because the Knicks ran to give him the money. I think they announced the signing aroung the 4th of July. Duhon admitted he was promised the starting spot. Due dilligence was not done. Like I said it's only Dolan's money Walsh is throwing around.

wow. you're really up in arms. he was a great signing until nagging injuries he got from leading the league in minutes at one point this year slowed him down - he hurt his ankle right before the all-star break, then his back acted up, then we turned over the roster again, bringing in Hughes and Wilcox. he's a solid player, maybe he's not the future, but we didn't sign him thinking that we was part of the core. at one point he was playing well enough that some people considered him part of the core - which to me means he was an excellent stop gap signing. he was averaging 12.3ppg and 8.6apg (4th in the league) until he went down with his ankle injury. complaining about duhon is really ridiculous. it was a solid move.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 12-04-2009 3:24 PM]
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4/12/2009  4:11 PM
If you think it's was a solid move then that's on you. If it was just injuries then why the need to go and find a starting point guard. I keep hearing stop gap. A stop gap to what? To 2010? The Knicks are definitely getting a point guard in 2010 or another stop gap. All I know here we are a year later looking for point guard help. Square one as far as I am concern.
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4/12/2009  4:19 PM
I keep hearing stop gap. A stop gap to what? To 2010?

yes... what did u think it was? a solution at PG to lead us to the playoffs?
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4/12/2009  4:26 PM
Posted by TMS:
I keep hearing stop gap. A stop gap to what? To 2010?

yes... what did u think it was? a solution at PG to lead us to the playoffs?

Man, I hope 2010 is the be all that ends all for many of you guys. I just want to establish a starting point guard on this roster and then move on. If that means acquiring Lebron or Wade will somehow deliver you one then so be it.
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4/12/2009  4:51 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:
I keep hearing stop gap. A stop gap to what? To 2010?

yes... what did u think it was? a solution at PG to lead us to the playoffs?

Man, I hope 2010 is the be all that ends all for many of you guys. I just want to establish a starting point guard on this roster and then move on. If that means acquiring Lebron or Wade will somehow deliver you one then so be it.

OK, i'm all ears... who did u have in mind to be our starting PG other than Duhon that would have made sense for our longterm future?
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:
I keep hearing stop gap. A stop gap to what? To 2010?

yes... what did u think it was? a solution at PG to lead us to the playoffs?

Man, I hope 2010 is the be all that ends all for many of you guys. I just want to establish a starting point guard on this roster and then move on. If that means acquiring Lebron or Wade will somehow deliver you one then so be it.

OK, i'm all ears... who did u have in mind to be our starting PG other than Duhon that would have made sense for our longterm future?

The draft. I don't care, Rubio, Jennings, Warren, Teague (a young point guard). This should have been done last year. Fine you couldn't get Rose but how hard did you really look to find one in the draft. Augustin would have been worse? I mean you really couldn't find a way to get a Chalmers or Dragic. I thought D'Antoni liked the kid, what happened there? You mean the Knicks couldn't buy a pick? Come on. Bringing in 36 year old point guards at this point are lateral moves. It look like other teams have no problem bringing in these young talent. Hell the Clippers drafted a NBDL guy. Walsh didn't look towards the NBDL until late into the season. The Magic were looking to bring in Duhon to back up Nelson not start over him.
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4/12/2009  5:47 PM
Another thing whatever they are doing to evaluate these guys they need to rethink their methods. Stop going by word of mouth and get these guys in here for real workouts.
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4/12/2009  9:44 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:
I keep hearing stop gap. A stop gap to what? To 2010?

yes... what did u think it was? a solution at PG to lead us to the playoffs?

Man, I hope 2010 is the be all that ends all for many of you guys. I just want to establish a starting point guard on this roster and then move on. If that means acquiring Lebron or Wade will somehow deliver you one then so be it.

OK, i'm all ears... who did u have in mind to be our starting PG other than Duhon that would have made sense for our longterm future?

The draft. I don't care, Rubio, Jennings, Warren, Teague (a young point guard). This should have been done last year. Fine you couldn't get Rose but how hard did you really look to find one in the draft. Augustin would have been worse? I mean you really couldn't find a way to get a Chalmers or Dragic. I thought D'Antoni liked the kid, what happened there? You mean the Knicks couldn't buy a pick? Come on. Bringing in 36 year old point guards at this point are lateral moves. It look like other teams have no problem bringing in these young talent. Hell the Clippers drafted a NBDL guy. Walsh didn't look towards the NBDL until late into the season. The Magic were looking to bring in Duhon to back up Nelson not start over him.

Duhon's 36? that's news to me. i'll give u ur point about the draft, Augustin or Chalmers would have been easily accessible to us, but they were obviously high on Gallo & for a good part of the season Duhon was playing better than both Augustin & Chalmers until the minutes caught up to him & he had those nagging injuries... we'll see if they messed up the Gallo pick or not, it's way too early to tell for sure.
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4/13/2009  2:48 AM
I thought we visited this topic already this year! The only problem with Duhon was that we didn't have another PG to limit his minutes. Didn't we all agree Duhon was a 2yr stop gap? I think with fewer minutes Duhon is a solid player.

We need a C and a PG, so what else is new?
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4/13/2009  10:44 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:
I keep hearing stop gap. A stop gap to what? To 2010?

yes... what did u think it was? a solution at PG to lead us to the playoffs?

Man, I hope 2010 is the be all that ends all for many of you guys. I just want to establish a starting point guard on this roster and then move on. If that means acquiring Lebron or Wade will somehow deliver you one then so be it.


if it is, then wouldn't everyone benefit? why just "many of you guys" ?
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