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PresIke
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4/7/2009  12:26 PM
So...

would folks consider moving a re-signed Lee + our pick for Bosh?

Not enough you say?

Maybe something more like...

Re-signed Lee (starting at 9 mil) + draft pick (2.5ish mil) + either ending Mobley/Q/Al deal 9-10 mil) for Bosh (15.8 mil) + Kapono (6.6 mil)?

Raps get cap relief with ending deal plus ridding of Kapono's high salary, but also nets us a real shooter (which we lack) in bad economy which still allows them to sign someone in 2010 if they like sans Bosh but still getting Lee + the pick.


[Edited by - PresIke on 04-07-2009 12:28 PM]
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4/7/2009  12:33 PM
Not a bad idea Ike, but I would have a hard time giving up an asset like a lotto to get Bosh when we can sign him in 2010 and give up nothing.

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4/7/2009  12:45 PM
Take out the draft pick and the deal should be good. Any team with a 2010 player (i.e. Bosh, Joe Johnson, Boozer) should be approached with either DLee and Nate plus cap relief. No picks going their way.
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4/7/2009  12:49 PM
I would turn around and move Bosh for Biedrins and Randolph in a three way deal, which I think Toronto can get if they just approach the warriors, that deal is light years ahead o anything we can offer
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4/7/2009  1:13 PM
Posted by MS:

I would turn around and move Bosh for Biedrins and Randolph in a three way deal, which I think Toronto can get if they just approach the warriors, that deal is light years ahead o anything we can offer

Why would you trade Bosh for a cap space lock for the next 5 years and Randolph?
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4/7/2009  1:24 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

Take out the draft pick and the deal should be good. Any team with a 2010 player (i.e. Bosh, Joe Johnson, Boozer) should be approached with either DLee and Nate plus cap relief. No picks going their way.

I agree BUT there is going to be competition for Bosh this year (I would imagine). The trade of course would hinge on Bosh signing an extension otherwise I can't imagine a team taking a risk (sort of like how Dallas lost Harris for nothing it seems, along with the pick. God what a bad trade for Dallas imo.)
So, depending on who the bidders are and what is included, there may not be a Bosh in 2010...
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4/7/2009  1:26 PM
I'm waiting for someone to come out and say that they really believe that Bosh is a Max guy.
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4/7/2009  1:27 PM
someone tell me why Bosh is better than Zach Randolph and why we want to build around this guy. He shoots < 50%. He's not a lane clogging post presence. He doesnt address our needs for size or defense up front. He's done very little but put up good numbers on mediocre teams.

He's a good player. He's not a star in this league
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4/7/2009  1:30 PM
bosh is a coach away from being the best pf in the game.
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4/7/2009  1:33 PM
Posted by MS:

I would turn around and move Bosh for Biedrins and Randolph in a three way deal, which I think Toronto can get if they just approach the warriors, that deal is light years ahead o anything we can offer

toronto doesn't have the deal b/c bosh won't re-sign with golden state.
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4/7/2009  1:35 PM
That is definitely something I would do, and I would NOT wait till 2010. Getting him on the books now gives a lot more flexibility in being able to re-sign him (bird rights). And it also gives us some more cache for attracting another FA in 2010 when we already have a big name here. Lee is excellent and our pick could be very good- but there's probably a pretty small chance that they together will have more value than Bosh.

Bosh may not shoot 50% but he shoots 49%. That's 5-6% better than ZR and for a player who can step out on the perimeter that's a very good number. He has a world of offensive talent. While I don't see him as a true 1- he is a pretty significant piece.
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4/7/2009  1:38 PM
plus bosh can play on the court...while zach plays in court.

i don't see colangelo sending him within the division, regardless of what bosh says. i could see a possible deal with the wizards tho. and i could also see him re-signing with toronto for less than the max. it's 50/50 right now. if he's a raptor next year, then he signed an extension.
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4/7/2009  2:36 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

bosh is a coach away from being the best pf in the game.

Sure, blame it on the lack of coaching.
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4/7/2009  2:41 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by djsunyc:

bosh is a coach away from being the best pf in the game.

Sure, blame it on the lack of coaching.

there's a lot of players that teeter between good player and great player. sometimes they can't do it themselves. billups didn't become elite until larry. pippen didn't become top50 until phil. bosh is one of those players.
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4/7/2009  2:43 PM
I personally don't why everybody is high on chris bosh this guy is not a franchise player. He is not very good player in the clutch he gets dominated by other big guys. I still think he is a good player but he is little bit overated to me.
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4/7/2009  3:12 PM
Because with Chandler/Randolph/Biedrins you have the best defensive front court in all of basketball in two seasons. The knicks really ****ed up not taking that kid he is going to be the second best player in the draft.

I am not in love with Bosh there team isn't that terrible that they should be this bad. If you can get him for Lee and our draft pick which I don't think is doable I would give Walsh a raise.
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4/7/2009  3:16 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by djsunyc:

bosh is a coach away from being the best pf in the game.

Sure, blame it on the lack of coaching.

there's a lot of players that teeter between good player and great player. sometimes they can't do it themselves. billups didn't become elite until larry. pippen didn't become top50 until phil. bosh is one of those players.

I think the people you play with and the type of system you play in has more of an impact than coaching, but I do see what you're saying.

Do you think Scottie came into his own because of Jackson or Jordan ? That may be a little close, but I think the answer would be Jordan. As far as Billups, the half court, defensive minded scheme was exactly what he needed to become an elite point guard.
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4/7/2009  3:38 PM
IMO it's gonna take at minimum an offer of Lee, Harrington & our lottery pick for any chance at Bosh or Amare.
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4/7/2009  3:40 PM
Posted by fishmike:

someone tell me why Bosh is better than Zach Randolph and why we want to build around this guy. He shoots < 50%. He's not a lane clogging post presence. He doesnt address our needs for size or defense up front. He's done very little but put up good numbers on mediocre teams.

He's a good player. He's not a star in this league

he's 2 years younger than Zach, he doesn't carry any of the idiotic baggage that Zach does, he's a much better shotblocker than Zach, & he runs the court which makes him a much better fit for an uptempo style game... he's a better player than Zach, period.
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4/7/2009  3:56 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by djsunyc:

bosh is a coach away from being the best pf in the game.

Sure, blame it on the lack of coaching.

there's a lot of players that teeter between good player and great player. sometimes they can't do it themselves. billups didn't become elite until larry. pippen didn't become top50 until phil. bosh is one of those players.

I think the people you play with and the type of system you play in has more of an impact than coaching, but I do see what you're saying.

Do you think Scottie came into his own because of Jackson or Jordan ? That may be a little close, but I think the answer would be Jordan. As far as Billups, the half court, defensive minded scheme was exactly what he needed to become an elite point guard.

i think you gotta give phil jackson and larry for putting those two already good players into the great category. they challenged them and they responded. marbury did not respond to larry which is unfortunate b/c he could've made marbury great. but a guy like bosh, who just turned 25 last week, has all the tools to be impact. he doesn't make too many clutch shots, that's true...but i don't think he's anywhere close to optimizing his efficiency out there. d'antoni would remove the hesitation from his game and he would be putting up 25ppg in his sleep in ny.
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