Honestly, I don't see this Knicks team being good again in the near future unless a miracle happens, such as getting the 1st pick in this draft.

Who are the franchise tye player this year ? Are they sure things ?

This really is my last hope to believe in this franchise. Unless we get a great talent in this draft and Gallo's back at 100%, I don't see any star player signing with us. I'm all for trading Lee and Nate to get rid of Curry or get more picks to build from scratch.

Sad, but true.


Here is the way I see the next few years.

This year, we end up picking pretty much about where we are - in the 8-10 range.

Next year, maybe we squeak in as an 8 seed, and are wiped out in the first round.

No pick in 2010, all the good free agents (lebron, wade) resign with their own teams. We possibly have enough cap room to sign 1 'mid tier' star like a joe johnson.

We roll the dice, and in 2010-11 season, we're better than the other year, but we are still barely fighting to make the play offs, maybe good enough for home court first round.

Maybe we get past the first round, but we're wiped out in the second round.

Repeat 2010-11 results for the next 2 years, and then we start to break down, our inadequate talent exposed.

Both Walsh & D'Antoni are gone.

And our next rebuilding begins in earnest in 2014-15.

It really hasn't been fun to watch the Knicks for the past 8 years. At what point do you consider stop rooting for a franchise that hasn't given you the slightest ray of hope for so long ?

There's not even one player I really like on this roster !!

Posted by fishmike:

yes.. get the first pick in the draft and let everything on this roster go. Find a way to package Curry/JJ/Nate/Lee and hope sign Nash, Lebron and Dirk to come play with Blake Griffin. Thats what I am holing out for :)

Its not a question of holding out for something, its a realistic assessment of what has to happen if this franchise is to be saved in the next 5 years from more of the same.

we don't need the #1 pick, we need to buy lots of picks

After the top five there are bunches of PG's, some high upside players, and lots of interesting talents.

I'd like to see Mike draft a new slate of players that fit his style.

Posted by VDesai:

I'd rather have Blake Griffin than lots of role players

yeah, but that's not happening

Posted by JohnWallace44:

we don't need the #1 pick, we need to buy lots of picks

After the top five there are bunches of PG's, some high upside players, and lots of interesting talents.

I'd like to see Mike draft a new slate of players that fit his style.

I agree that this year, Walsh needs to buy at least 1, if not 2 first round picks- possibly to combo up to help us move up in the draft.

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by VDesai:

I'd rather have Blake Griffin than lots of role players

yeah, but that's not happening

Thanks for planting the seeds to bad luck....

besides if the Knicks were able to draft Blake Griffin, this incident would probably will probably come back to haunt us, smh

no worries. we're advance scouting the best back doctors in italy.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by VDesai:

This is a weak draft, but Blake Griffin could be a franchise changer. He seems like Dwight Howard without the shotblocking- though he can work into being a good shotblocker. He will be an impact rebounder from day 1 and 16 points per game will come easily to him off that bat IMO. One of the first things he needs to improve is his free throw shooting, because he gets to the line a ton and hits at a poor clip. Would hate to see him turn into a Hack a Blake

Its not a weak draft where we're picking and that's all that matters isn't it?

We can get a pretty good player, but I doubt we'll get a star from where we pick. By comparison, last year where we pick would've yielded a player like Brook Lopez or Jason Thompson- Big men that already producing capably on the NBA level. I don't see us being able to get a player of that quality.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by VDesai:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by VDesai:

This is a weak draft, but Blake Griffin could be a franchise changer. He seems like Dwight Howard without the shotblocking- though he can work into being a good shotblocker. He will be an impact rebounder from day 1 and 16 points per game will come easily to him off that bat IMO. One of the first things he needs to improve is his free throw shooting, because he gets to the line a ton and hits at a poor clip. Would hate to see him turn into a Hack a Blake

Its not a weak draft where we're picking and that's all that matters isn't it?

We can get a pretty good player, but I doubt we'll get a star from where we pick. By comparison, last year where we pick would've yielded a player like Brook Lopez or Jason Thompson- Big men that already producing capably on the NBA level. I don't see us being able to get a player of that quality.

Are Lopez and Thompson "stars" now? Just like Nate's a star right?

Last year was mishandled though, no doubt. Gotta get more picks this year so Walsh has as many bullets as possible.

They are not stars but should develop into stars. 10/7 and 12/8 7 footers in their rookie years. They are well on their way to developing into star caliber guys. My argument is that there won't be any players in the 9-12 or so level that have their kind of potential, while there were several last year that could've been there.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

we don't need the #1 pick, we need to buy lots of picks

After the top five there are bunches of PG's, some high upside players, and lots of interesting talents.

I'd like to see Mike draft a new slate of players that fit his style.

Nate and Lee are interesting talents. By the way Mike D LOVES Lee. Why draft a team another team of role players who put up good stats on 30 win teams. Arent you the one that wants to dump Lee just for that reason?

Knicks need a star (or two).

The only reason you go out and buy extra picks is if you can get rid of Lee, Nate, Curry and JJ. Then fill the roster with 2nd rounders and late first rounder to play with Gallo and Chandler. Let Al Harrington take 40 shots a game and hope like hell you can get Wade, Lebron and Nash to all sign here in 2010

Why are Curry and JJ a factor? I don't get your logic. We shouldn't try to take a shot on high upside guys like Derozan, Holiday, Maynor, or Brackins because we need stars? What does that mean?

You think LeBron and Wade are more likely to come to an empty roster?
You think it will be easier to trade Curry or JJ if we have no assets to pair them with?