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Travla
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3/15/2009  4:28 AM
In 2 starts - 18 pts, 12.5 rebs, 60 pct.....not bad for a guy who doesn't have a jump shot, hope he can keep it up. I know DT let him go because of his offensive weaknesses but I wish we still had him. Hustle and tenacity are great attributes. I wish Balk the best.

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I didn't post this to get into a debate, I just like it when former Knicks do well.
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3/15/2009  5:13 AM
malik rose has been playing decently as well, I know in his last three games not including tonight he had games of

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I think with guys like balk and rose and many other similar hustle players, they have stretches like this, but it usually doesn't last long, especially when they are thrust into more minutes and their flaws become more evident. Plus to be honest, consistency playing at a high level with more minutes is usually a problem for such guys, which is why they are usually limited in minutes and have the roles they have had for most of their careers.... But I wish both guys well, especially balk, who is doing a good job..
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3/15/2009  9:33 AM
I ahted the trade of Balkman. I understood that Walsh realized that Chandler had more potential and needed the PT, but to give Balkman away for a second rounder was questionable move on our part and it turned out we needed Balkman due to DG's injury. The trade that really still knaws at me though is giving up Collins in the Randolph deal. Collins is a legitimate backup pg, with above-average defensive abilities. He is playing well for the Clippers and we still need a 3rd pg. We should have kept Collins.

As for Balkman, the only thing holding him back is that jumper. If he ever develops one, he is going to be a starter in this league.
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3/15/2009  12:07 PM
yeah but we got Roberson
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3/15/2009  1:41 PM
I don't think Balkman has what it takes to be a full-time starter. Then again, everything I think about him is similar to what I've always said about Kenyon Martin. The only thing notable of either of their games is their motors (energy) and perceived defensive presence.

Heck, at this stage, I think Balkman's ability to handle the rock is a good differentiator vs Marin. Balkman isn't an elite creator, but his ball handling takes pressure away from the PG against the press, and he's able to take it end-to-end on a fast break all by himself. Martin doesn't do that. Not even sure if Chandler can do that.

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3/15/2009  1:46 PM
i really would have liked to see Balkman in this system. i think he could have been a marion type here, i really do. now, i don't know about his practice routine or conditioning efforts and it seemed he definitely had some issues with some substances. but he's young. if he could have focused, he could have been great. i'd much rather see him out there than jefferies ever. oh well.
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3/15/2009  2:26 PM
Balkman trade is going to be Donnie's version of the Ariza trade.

We'll be watching him develop on other teams years down the road.
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3/15/2009  2:31 PM
reading between the lines you really got the sense that the trade was more for team/lockerroom culture purposes than basketball stuff. i don't know how i feel about that, but for now i will trust donnie's judgement.
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3/15/2009  2:54 PM
Just goes to show that Isiah knew how to draft. Frye is the weakest of his NYK draft picks and even he put up numbers in his first season.
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Posted by crzymdups:

i really would have liked to see Balkman in this system. i think he could have been a marion type here, i really do. now, i don't know about his practice routine or conditioning efforts and it seemed he definitely had some issues with some substances. but he's young. if he could have focused, he could have been great. i'd much rather see him out there than jefferies ever. oh well.


I hear everyone say that, but even under Isiah, the guy that drafted him, last year, balkman played almost 5 minutes less than jeffries.. what makes you think that he would be playing more under dantoni, or jeffries any less? I think they play two different positions, so I don't see how one effects the other... and no way would balk be getting wilson's minutes.. Not in this offense.. maybe he is in the best place he could be, for him.. and that is denver.. and maybe the second round pick we got turns out to be a deandre jordan, mario chalmers, or a mbah a moute... who knows...
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3/15/2009  4:29 PM
We're still longing for scrubs who wouldn't break the rotation in a few years? Why? As was stated eloquently by tkf, they have stretches like this from time to time, but it's not the norm. These sorts of players can have an occasional impact, but the reality is that not carrying their contracts and not having to worry about resigning them was a bigger benefit to this team than having them aboard. Sorry to say, but true.
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3/15/2009  5:29 PM
I'd rather see Balkman in this system than Roberson, JJ2, Marbury or Rose.

To get rid of him for nothing is shortsighted.
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3/15/2009  5:36 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I'd rather see Balkman in this system than Roberson, JJ2, Marbury or Rose.

To get rid of him for nothing is shortsighted.
why? its a garbage system that does nothing but inflates stats. What would seeing one of Isiah's players accomplish?
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3/15/2009  7:28 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:

I'd rather see Balkman in this system than Roberson, JJ2, Marbury or Rose.

To get rid of him for nothing is shortsighted.
why? its a garbage system that does nothing but inflates stats. What would seeing one of Isiah's players accomplish?

Duh, they could have inflated his stats and fooled some poor schmuck that he was pretty good. Then the old man could have traded him for more than they did. Silly.

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3/15/2009  7:35 PM
i forget, why is isles stuck on 9999 posts? is it that he'll hit 10000 when he has something positive to say about the team?
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3/15/2009  8:02 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:

I'd rather see Balkman in this system than Roberson, JJ2, Marbury or Rose.

To get rid of him for nothing is shortsighted.
why? its a garbage system that does nothing but inflates stats. What would seeing one of Isiah's players accomplish?

Duh, they could have inflated his stats and fooled some poor schmuck that he was pretty good. Then the old man could have traded him for more than they did. Silly.

This strategy rarely works. I'll admit it does sometimes, but it's overrated as a strategy and can kill team morale when players who haven't earned it play anyway.
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Posted by Vmart:

Just goes to show that Isiah knew how to draft. Frye is the weakest of his NYK draft picks and even he put up numbers in his first season.

Best drafter of his era.
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3/15/2009  9:40 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Vmart:

Just goes to show that Isiah knew how to draft. Frye is the weakest of his NYK draft picks and even he put up numbers in his first season.

Best drafter of his era.

Yeah, after 5 years he managed to draft only one starter. It's really tough to expect anyone to beat that.
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3/15/2009  9:47 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Vmart:

Just goes to show that Isiah knew how to draft. Frye is the weakest of his NYK draft picks and even he put up numbers in his first season.

Best drafter of his era.

you know, you do have to take into account the picks he traded away and used on frye as well. it balances out. he drafted some nice finds late and blew potential franchise type talent in the same breath. (and i'm talking about his knicks career only).
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3/15/2009  11:04 PM
Its not surprising. Nearly everyime Balkman played a significant number of minutes (20+) he had a big impact on the game and produced, despite his limitations. His level of activity is much greater than 90% of players that will be out there on the court.
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