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orangeblobman
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3/11/2009  9:46 PM
He's too good. Will lead team to Championship, a younger, fresher, more athletic Steve Nash.

Nate's stats this season are 18.4.4.on 45% and 1.5 steals! Nate is an All-Star!!!!
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3/11/2009  9:47 PM
Dude is not Steve Nash. Not even close..
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3/11/2009  10:23 PM
Nate is getting to be one of the best steal guys in the league now.

He's got the ability to be an amazing point guard. Needs to be on a team that can harness his ability though. I'm not sure if we're it.

If someone offers him a big deal, or offers us picks in return we have to take it. There's not even a question.

That train left the station at the trade deadline.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/11/2009  10:28 PM
JohnWallace44 I'm glad we got rid of you back in the 90's, and you made my shoes worthless. But, Nate will resign with the Knicks and that is all anyone wrote, why not stay? Why is that not an option? We, the fans, speak of options and secondary players and these pieces necessary to land big talent, why not Nate as one of those pieces?

Knicks squad keeps Nate, the shorter Nash.
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3/11/2009  10:44 PM
Nate and Lee are amazing finds by Isiah. I can't give the dude more credit, just an amazing, otherworldly draft analyzer.

Now, we took those guys late in drafts and they have flaws that they'll never overcome. Namely, they are both four-six inches too short for their positions.

In order to cover up for the mismatches that are created when they're on the floor we need to have specific types of players.

It would be easier and more fair to Nate and Lee to let them sign with teams that can better utilize them and have the Knicks start from scratch.

Before the trade deadline we had the assets, I thought, to bring back almost anything because of the expiring deals we had on the roster. Now though, its just not there.

We're too far down the road to build something with Nate or Lee. If we resign just Lee, we'd have Nate, Chandler, Gallo, and the 09 pick going into 2010 and we'd have room to sign one Max player and one mid-level player.

I just don't know if that's going to do it.

If you sign him, you have to be sure he can be a point guard, because he can't keep doing this Allen Iverson act. It's the antithesis of the D'Antoni system. He's got to use his speed and passing ability to set up Gallo and Chandler. He hasn't been doing that at all for weeks.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/11/2009  10:53 PM
We're too far down the road to build something with Nate or Lee. If we resign just Lee, we'd have Nate, Chandler, Gallo, and the 09 pick going into 2010 and we'd have room to sign one Max player and one mid-level player.

I just don't know if that's going to do it.

O RLY?-- JohnWallace44, I respect so much your post, and don't take disrespect with the following: you have got a 18/13 guy, a 17/4/4 guy, a 14/6 guy, a star rookie in the making, and a MAX player and a MID level guy! That is an insane team by any standard. A Championship team. Knicks squad is exactly, exactly one max player and a mid-level shot swatter away from a Ring or maybe two Rings.
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3/11/2009  10:56 PM
his selfish play has killed us at times, but he's the only guy we have who can get his own shot like that. he's been very frustrating - i think moreso for D'antoni. but there's no denying he has the ability to make the team tough to deal with. i just wish he moved the ball better.
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3/11/2009  10:56 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Nate is getting to be one of the best steal guys in the league now.

He's got the ability to be an amazing point guard. Needs to be on a team that can harness his ability though. I'm not sure if we're it.

If someone offers him a big deal, or offers us picks in return we have to take it. There's not even a question.

That train left the station at the trade deadline.
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I don't believe that you are saying this! We have a very good player in Nate and you want to give him up for draft picks?? Thats why we are in the hole that we are. Bad choices. It dosen't make since that Nate will not be a fit for this team (abunch of misfits). All of these guys will be gone in 2years. Lord knows what we will get back. Give Nate a break please! Thats why no one want's to come to New York. In 2010 we won't be getting Lebron or Wade or Bosh or any of them. Right now we are home growing our stars of the future and Nate Robinson will be an alstare. Nash didn't bring his team a championship and probably won't. If Nash comes to the Knicks it will be at the down turn of his career.

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3/11/2009  11:13 PM
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Nate is getting to be one of the best steal guys in the league now.

He's got the ability to be an amazing point guard. Needs to be on a team that can harness his ability though. I'm not sure if we're it.

If someone offers him a big deal, or offers us picks in return we have to take it. There's not even a question.

That train left the station at the trade deadline.
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I don't believe that you are saying this! We have a very good player in Nate and you want to give him up for draft picks?? Thats why we are in the hole that we are. Bad choices. It dosen't make since that Nate will not be a fit for this team (abunch of misfits). All of these guys will be gone in 2years. Lord knows what we will get back. Give Nate a break please! Thats why no one want's to come to New York. In 2010 we won't be getting Lebron or Wade or Bosh or any of them. Right now we are home growing our stars of the future and Nate Robinson will be an alstare. Nash didn't bring his team a championship and probably won't. If Nash comes to the Knicks it will be at the down turn of his career.

He's a similar situation in football that was mentioned on sports-radio today;

The Detroit Lions - they're trying to trade for Cutler right?

They're an 0-16 team now.

If they get Cutler they'll win 6-7 games, they'll be exciting.

Will they get to the next level with Cutler? Will they contend for a championship with Cutler?

Most would say no, but the Lions had better be damn sure they know what they're doing before they pull the trigger on that one. Denver had better think long and hard about it too.

I would argue that we're in a similar situation.



Nate wins us 20 or so games a year by himself when we've been throwing out some of the worst groups of players the league has ever seen. If he was a 6th man for Orlando or some team like that he'd be an amazing tool for a coach to use. You think you're out of a game in the playoffs? Bring Nate in. You might really be out of it, or Nate might completely flip the game on its head and steal you one.

I just don't know if Nate can ever be controlled to the point where he can be our starting point guard and I don't see signing a super sub if we're in rebuilding mode. I'd rather do a sign and trade.

I would love for Nate to be made the starting PG for the remaining 19 games with directions to pass first, and shoot only when he has a great shot. If he proves he can do it, I'd stand up and cheer.

The dude is my favorite player in the league. I just don't know if it's best for us or best for him to resign him to this team.

If you could guarantee me that we could get Tyreke Evans in the draft to solve some of the matchup problems, or Thabeet so that we could allow the perimeter guys to press all the time I might have a different opinion, but those guys will be gone.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/11/2009  11:59 PM
You know what's funny? Nate is putting up shooting guard numbers but we still want to have him shoot less and pass first to a team of misfits.

The bottom line is Nate is the only player we have that can create his own shot. He is the only player that will drive for contact. He is the only player that brings instant energy when the teams body language is bad. He is the only player on the team that will dive for balls on a regular basis. He is not shy to go for rebounds. He can steal balls. He will block shots or win a toss up. He is the toughest guy on this team. He is scoring on par with the best in the game. What he gives up on defense he makes up for it on offense. What are the other guys on our team using as an excuse for lack of D? This guy runs through picks all game. Plays with endless energy and carries us with scoring.

Regardless of skill level, you gotta bring effort every night and that's what Nate brings day in and out. That's more than you can say for a lot of less scrutinized players on this team and around the league that do way less!!



I believe we will be making a big mistake letting this guy go. He is virtually unstoppable on offense and not as bad as everyone says on defense.
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3/12/2009  12:08 AM

I like him as a super sub.
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3/12/2009  12:33 AM
calm down guys & check our season records for the past several years... Nate is an excellent 6th man but he's not a guy u can build ur franchise around & expect to win on a consistent basis... he's not the big problem w/this team but the fact that he's our best scoring option right now is definitely a big problem... if u guys want this team to get to the next level we need a helluva lot more than Nate Robinson.
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3/12/2009  12:38 AM
Posted by Martice:

You know what's funny? Nate is putting up shooting guard numbers but we still want to have him shoot less and pass first to a team of misfits.

The bottom line is Nate is the only player we have that can create his own shot. He is the only player that will drive for contact. He is the only player that brings instant energy when the teams body language is bad. He is the only player on the team that will dive for balls on a regular basis. He is not shy to go for rebounds. He can steal balls. He will block shots or win a toss up. He is the toughest guy on this team. He is scoring on par with the best in the game. What he gives up on defense he makes up for it on offense. What are the other guys on our team using as an excuse for lack of D? This guy runs through picks all game. Plays with endless energy and carries us with scoring.

Regardless of skill level, you gotta bring effort every night and that's what Nate brings day in and out. That's more than you can say for a lot of less scrutinized players on this team and around the league that do way less!!



I believe we will be making a big mistake letting this guy go. He is virtually unstoppable on offense and not as bad as everyone says on defense.

He is virtually unstoppable, but the whole offense stops functioning when he's in the game lately. He's holding the ball because of the players around him just standing and watching and because he believes he's the best one to take the shot.

That works a lot of the time now because he's the best we've got by far.

That will not work as we get better players in here, and it already creates problems with Gallo and Chandler. Nate never sets them up for shots.

I believe in my heart of hearts that Nate has the skills to be an elite point guard or a shooting guard. He's great. What he's doing though is playing the point-shooting guard. I don't know that Nate knows what he wants to be. He must understand that he can get to anywhere on the floor and setup a few pretty damn good spot up shooters on this team right? You see flashes, like the Clipper game where you think he might be getting it.

If you believe the Clippers game can be replicated, then he's your PG for the next ten years.

I think he has the skills to replicate that game any time he wants, but I don't believe he'll do it.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/12/2009  6:52 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Martice:

You know what's funny? Nate is putting up shooting guard numbers but we still want to have him shoot less and pass first to a team of misfits.

The bottom line is Nate is the only player we have that can create his own shot. He is the only player that will drive for contact. He is the only player that brings instant energy when the teams body language is bad. He is the only player on the team that will dive for balls on a regular basis. He is not shy to go for rebounds. He can steal balls. He will block shots or win a toss up. He is the toughest guy on this team. He is scoring on par with the best in the game. What he gives up on defense he makes up for it on offense. What are the other guys on our team using as an excuse for lack of D? This guy runs through picks all game. Plays with endless energy and carries us with scoring.

Regardless of skill level, you gotta bring effort every night and that's what Nate brings day in and out. That's more than you can say for a lot of less scrutinized players on this team and around the league that do way less!!



I believe we will be making a big mistake letting this guy go. He is virtually unstoppable on offense and not as bad as everyone says on defense.

He is virtually unstoppable, but the whole offense stops functioning when he's in the game lately. He's holding the ball because of the players around him just standing and watching and because he believes he's the best one to take the shot.

That works a lot of the time now because he's the best we've got by far.

That will not work as we get better players in here, and it already creates problems with Gallo and Chandler. Nate never sets them up for shots.

I believe in my heart of hearts that Nate has the skills to be an elite point guard or a shooting guard. He's great. What he's doing though is playing the point-shooting guard. I don't know that Nate knows what he wants to be. He must understand that he can get to anywhere on the floor and setup a few pretty damn good spot up shooters on this team right? You see flashes, like the Clipper game where you think he might be getting it.

If you believe the Clippers game can be replicated, then he's your PG for the next ten years.

I think he has the skills to replicate that game any time he wants, but I don't believe he'll do it.

Well said JW. I see your point but I disagree only for the simple fact I don't believe that we have seen him at his best yet. There is a maturing process happening and if we hope to at least get one "elite" player in the coming future, we would actually have two if we can keep Nate in the lineup. Especially if he continues to mature.

I guess time will tell.
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3/12/2009  7:56 AM
Yikes. Overrated. He's not even the best player on the team and this still isn't a very good team. Let's not get carried away. Him scoring points are exciting, but I would venture to guess that he gives up just as much or more on defense. He's talented, but his height will always be a crutch that prevents him from being a stud. I agree with the sixth man assessment.
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3/12/2009  8:41 AM
I've argued that Nate is a luxury item that with our current situation, we can't afford- like owning a porshe when you're homeless.

We probably should have tried to deal him at the deadline & not some deal to simply rid of us salary.

I don't see how we would trade him now over the summer- at that point, you're looking at a S&T to a team that has cap room- unless its an MLE deal in which case match & keep him-and for the teams with cap room, I'm not sure they have the kind of assets they could send us that would be attractive unless you can get multiple picks out of them.
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3/12/2009  8:51 AM
Nate will never be a starter. If we can afford to pay him like a 6th man, then fine, but he's nothing more.

The fundamental problem is that he doesn't have the vision (maybe he's too short?) to find the open man. He can shake and bake, he can attack the rim, he even has the ABILITY to whip a good pass...but he's always looking for his own shot above all else...and that will, in the long run, be his ultimate shortcoming.
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3/12/2009  9:16 AM
Posted by Solace:

Yikes. Overrated. He's not even the best player on the team and this still isn't a very good team. Let's not get carried away. Him scoring points are exciting, but I would venture to guess that he gives up just as much or more on defense. He's talented, but his height will always be a crutch that prevents him from being a stud. I agree with the sixth man assessment.

Well if height is the thing keeping from being a "stud", we should see a whole lot more players on our squad playing defense better than him right? We depend on this guy for so many aspects of our success it's funny. This is why he plays sooo many minutes. Now look up and down our roster and tell me who we depend on more than Nate and what they deliver.
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Posted by JamaicanJetFan:

He can shake and bake, he can attack the rim, he even has the ABILITY to whip a good pass...but he's always looking for his own shot above all else...and that will, in the long run, be his ultimate shortcoming.

That sounds like what they used to say about Kobe a while back. Not saying he is Kobe but he used to have the same mentality. They used to say he was a ball hog. However, they put players around Kobe, he learned and he conformed. I just don't think the book is closed on Nate. You can talk about what he can't do or what he isn't but one thing I do know and that is we haven't had ANYBODY in the last 10 years or more that had as much talent as this guy and he is on a scary scoring pace since the All Star Break. Only two other players have scored as much as Nate since the All Star Break and I don't think I need to say their names.

Point blank, you just don't throw away talent like that. You just don't dismiss his ability for the sake of height. If his defense on the perimeter is that bad, then make sure you have guys in the front court who is willing to play defense. Oh I forgot, we don't have anyone in the front court that plays defense.

I think Nate is gonna grow and his best is yet to come.
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3/12/2009  9:53 AM
I have a question, what contributed to his ridiculous increase in production? You can't say it MDA's system per almost everyone here. The correct answer is that his confidence is through the roof at the moment - he actually believes that at 5'9" noone can stop him. Gentlemen we have seen this before with budding stars in this league, look at the MJ and the Jordanaires(who couldn't hit the broadside of a barn when they received a pass) of the late 80's he dominated the ball until he learned to trust his teammates, the same with Kobe. King James is the exception because passing is his strong suit when he came in the league.

For years, I wished we have a player with balls to go there every night thinking "you really think you can guard me", like every other star player that visits the garden. Knicks management always went for the corporate, quite types, no one with bravado since the days of forever. I'm not saying Nate is a star, but he has a good chance he may reach that level by having better players around him.

Please for the love of Pete do not follow our past history by giving away our talent for the so called established stars who as soon as they don the NY uniform they suck mightily as we watch our drafted player go on to a decent career. - BKing, Mark Jackson, Strickland are just a few off the top of my head.
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