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If D LEE and NATE took thier bulk monies on back end of 2010 and we b/o Curry could we get 2 superstars in 2010
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3/3/2009  3:37 PM
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Who is the brain that can break it down if D Lee and Nate want to remain Knicks how do we divy up the money so Lee and Nate get paid on the back end and we can bring in 2 stars. Who can break it down?
D Lee 2009 $7 mil 2014 $11 mil
Nate 2009 $5 mil 2014 $9 mil
super star 2010 20 mil 2014 20 mil
super star 2010 15 mil 2015 18 mil
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3/3/2009  3:42 PM
i don't think you can. Raises can only go up a certain amount each year.

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3/3/2009  4:02 PM
I'd really look to explore a deal involving David Lee and Anthony Randolph.
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3/3/2009  4:44 PM
Curry had better be ready to be public enemy #1 if he keeps us from signing LeBron and he's not in shape to play himself.
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3/3/2009  4:51 PM
If we don't sign Lee and Nate, we're pretty close to being under the luxury tax next season....I'm just saying. Their combined 17M approx will cost us 34M.
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3/3/2009  7:27 PM
Posted by Rookie:

If we don't sign Lee and Nate, we're pretty close to being under the luxury tax next season....I'm just saying. Their combined 17M approx will cost us 34M.

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It's not Lee Or Nate. It's Curry , Jefferies and all of the under achievers on this team.

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3/3/2009  8:01 PM
I was thinking this earlier, and then I assumed there was a rule against it. But then I looked at the Spurs salary schedule:

Tim Duncan
2008/09: $20,598,703
2009/10: $22,183,218
2010/11: $18,700,000
2011/12: $21,300,000


And they have no other players on their cap except for Parker (13.5MM). Why can't we be as smart as the spurs?
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3/3/2009  9:37 PM
Actually it looks like I misread your post, but I still think it would be worth looking into clever ways to structure these contracts a la the spurs. If the limit is that salary can't increase by more than 8%, why not sign Dlee to a contract paying him 15MM in 2009, 6MM in 2010, 6.5MM in 2011. That averages out to more than 9MM per year (plus frontloading means he earns interest on the 15MM), and puts us in good shape to sign lebron. They could do a similar thing with Nate. This gives us flexibility in 2011 as well, and we know we wont be signing anyone this offseason so going way over the cap in 2009 doesn't matter.
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Posted by nyballer:

Actually it looks like I misread your post, but I still think it would be worth looking into clever ways to structure these contracts a la the spurs. If the limit is that salary can't increase by more than 8%, why not sign Dlee to a contract paying him 15MM in 2009, 6MM in 2010, 6.5MM in 2011. That averages out to more than 9MM per year (plus frontloading means he earns interest on the 15MM), and puts us in good shape to sign lebron. They could do a similar thing with Nate. This gives us flexibility in 2011 as well, and we know we wont be signing anyone this offseason so going way over the cap in 2009 doesn't matter.

15 mils to Lee... WOW
Sounds fishy…



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Posted by arkrud:
Posted by nyballer:

Actually it looks like I misread your post, but I still think it would be worth looking into clever ways to structure these contracts a la the spurs. If the limit is that salary can't increase by more than 8%, why not sign Dlee to a contract paying him 15MM in 2009, 6MM in 2010, 6.5MM in 2011. That averages out to more than 9MM per year (plus frontloading means he earns interest on the 15MM), and puts us in good shape to sign lebron. They could do a similar thing with Nate. This gives us flexibility in 2011 as well, and we know we wont be signing anyone this offseason so going way over the cap in 2009 doesn't matter.

15 mils to Lee... WOW
Sounds fishy…
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It's food for thought. It also depends on how much D Lee and Nate wants to remain a Knick. No matter what we will have to find a way to get rid of Curry. The man gave up on us and we gave up on him.

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3/4/2009  10:26 AM
There are restrictions on the raise increases, but if you made them as backloaded as possible (similar to Craw and Curry's deals) then you'd make them better trade bait for all the teams drooling over the 2010 class.

I have wondered if Donnie thinks that if he can sign Dave and Nate to reasonable deals that he can trade them before the LeBron sweepstakes come around.
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3/4/2009  10:38 AM
Posted by nyballer:

And they have no other players on their cap except for Parker (13.5MM). Why can't we be as smart as the spurs?


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Posted by K22:

[quote]Posted by nyballer:

And they have no other players on their cap except for Parker (13.5MM). Why can't we be as smart as the spurs?

You have to have a strong idea of what your players can develop into and sign them to long deals early.

We could have signed Lee, Nate and Chandler to longer deals before the season, but they're going to cost us a load now.



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3/5/2009  2:34 PM
Broussard had an ESPN report last night about how the big free agents this year aren't going to get anything close to what they normally would and they mentioned Lee by name.
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3/5/2009  2:53 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by K22:

[quote]Posted by nyballer:

And they have no other players on their cap except for Parker (13.5MM). Why can't we be as smart as the spurs?

You have to have a strong idea of what your players can develop into and sign them to long deals early.

We could have signed Lee, Nate and Chandler to longer deals before the season, but they're going to cost us a load now.

Buford and Popovich have been there for years. That continuity has allowed them to know there players very well. Plus, having Tim Duncan makes offseason decision making easier.
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3/5/2009  6:01 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by K22:

[quote]Posted by nyballer:

And they have no other players on their cap except for Parker (13.5MM). Why can't we be as smart as the spurs?

You have to have a strong idea of what your players can develop into and sign them to long deals early.

We could have signed Lee, Nate and Chandler to longer deals before the season, but they're going to cost us a load now.

Buford and Popovich have been there for years. That continuity has allowed them to know there players very well. Plus, having Tim Duncan makes offseason decision making easier.
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I agree

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3/5/2009  8:37 PM
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by K22:

[quote]Posted by nyballer:

And they have no other players on their cap except for Parker (13.5MM). Why can't we be as smart as the spurs?

You have to have a strong idea of what your players can develop into and sign them to long deals early.

We could have signed Lee, Nate and Chandler to longer deals before the season, but they're going to cost us a load now.

Buford and Popovich have been there for years. That continuity has allowed them to know there players very well. Plus, having Tim Duncan makes offseason decision making easier.
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I agree

LOL. I just find it hilarious that you had to add "Papabear Says" to "I agree"
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LOL. I just find it hilarious that you had to add "Papabear Says" to "I agree"
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Don't take it to heart. Let's stay on point and talk about the Knicks.



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[Edited by - Papabear on 03-06-2009 10:21 AM]
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3/6/2009  10:50 AM
Posted by K22:
Posted by nyballer:

And they have no other players on their cap except for Parker (13.5MM). Why can't we be as smart as the spurs?



LMAO.

And as to this thread a player's salary can neither increase nor decrease season to season by more than the designated percentage. You can go up or down any year any way you like as long as the percentage is followed.

You could give Lee 10M, 11M, 10M, 11M, 10M if you wanted. Or 11M, 10M, 9M, 8M, 7M. Or 7M, 8M, 9M, 10M, 11M. Or 9M, 10M, 11M, 10M, 9M. Or 9M, 9M, 9M, 10M, 10M ETC - as long as year to year the increase or decrease stays within the designated percentage.

You can't for arguments sake pay Lee 45M next year, then 3M, 3M, 3M, 3M. You can't do that. Nor the opposite of 3M, 3M, 3M, 40M, 5M. You can't.




[Edited by - cosmic on 03-06-2009 10:50 AM]
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3/6/2009  11:06 AM
The Knicks should pay Curry to opt out. He needs the money why not give him rest of the 21 million and tell him to opt out. I have no faith in Curry to be in shape next year he will never be in shape. He doesn't enjoy basketball so why not put him out of his misery and let him be free of basketball. Tell him to opt out and give him his 21 million up front. This would be a win win for everyone.
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