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Allanfan20
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3/3/2009  1:20 PM
We our in the 9th spot in the lottery and Indiana, Chicago and New Jersey and not far behind. We're close to Toronto, but they are eventually going to need to rest Bosh more and more too. Every other team after Toronto is impossible to catch and are in full tank mode.

We have to stop fooling around now. Sign PEJ and Douby if you want, and see what they can give. Give Chandler and Gallinari more time.
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3/3/2009  1:24 PM
For years I've advocated this strategy and started rooting for ping pong balls... this year, I think the franchise has the most to gain by making an honest effort to get into the playoffs. They'll probably come up short, but everyone learns the most from failure.
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3/3/2009  1:29 PM
I hate this strategy! It's bad for the league. Teams should be trying to win.

A race to the bottom defeats the purpose of giving the worst teams the best chance in the lottery and deprives paying fans of seeing competitive basketball. I believe it is done - but I don't like it and I think the league should do everything possible (which is what I don't know) to stop teams from tanking.
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3/3/2009  1:36 PM
I agree. You don't learn anything from tanking. It just goes against my beliefs.
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3/3/2009  1:37 PM
Posted by OldFan:

I hate this strategy! It's bad for the league. Teams should be trying to win.

A race to the bottom defeats the purpose of giving the worst teams the best chance in the lottery and deprives paying fans of seeing competitive basketball. I believe it is done - but I don't like it and I think the league should do everything possible (which is what I don't know) to stop teams from tanking.

You may hate the strategy, but blame the system. Until they give the team with the best record, in the lotto, the highest chance of winning the lotto, then it wont change. And believe it or not, I think D'Antoni is going to go all out until the bitter end. Hence, I'm scared we may even end up with the 11th or 12th pick, which would be bad.

We need to draft talent though and we need a shot at Thabeet.
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3/3/2009  1:48 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

For years I've advocated this strategy and started rooting for ping pong balls... this year, I think the franchise has the most to gain by making an honest effort to get into the playoffs. They'll probably come up short, but everyone learns the most from failure.

Advocating this strategy to who exactly.....Tanking is great for the fans, but you can't expect a coach to purposely tank with the turnover rate for sideline changes so high. Coaches coach to win, and agonize over every lose.
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3/3/2009  1:50 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by OldFan:

I hate this strategy! It's bad for the league. Teams should be trying to win.

A race to the bottom defeats the purpose of giving the worst teams the best chance in the lottery and deprives paying fans of seeing competitive basketball. I believe it is done - but I don't like it and I think the league should do everything possible (which is what I don't know) to stop teams from tanking.

You may hate the strategy, but blame the system. Until they give the team with the best record, in the lotto, the highest chance of winning the lotto, then it wont change. And believe it or not, I think D'Antoni is going to go all out until the bitter end. Hence, I'm scared we may even end up with the 11th or 12th pick, which would be bad.

We need to draft talent though and we need a shot at Thabeet.

2 worst teams shoud go to DLeague. It is just in time to implement this in current economic situation.
They can start this system from next year on.
And 8 high draft picks should be in lottary with same amounts of balls. Lottary is lotary.
The last 8 team are all equaly bad to me.
Its not like they cannot do it, they do not want to do it.




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3/3/2009  1:55 PM
I like the idea of giving the lottery team with the best record the best chances to win the lottery, but then you'll have teams on the cusp of the eigth spot tanking to just miss the playoffs if a sweep is a forgone conclusion or if the available talent is that enticing. Plus, with such a disparity in talent between conferences, teams that just miss the playoffs in the West would only get that much more stacked.
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3/3/2009  2:04 PM
I don't know if you can ever intentionally lose a game when you have Nate and Lee on a team.

They don't give up easy.
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3/3/2009  2:27 PM
play the youth & let the chips fall where they may... no one expects these players to purposely throw games, but the coach can determine the rotations w/the mindset that the playoffs are no longer a priority over assessing our young players & letting them gain as much experience as possible... we have nothing to gain by winning a few extra games & still missing out on the playoffs.
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3/3/2009  2:40 PM
Posted by OldFan:

I hate this strategy! It's bad for the league. Teams should be trying to win.

A race to the bottom defeats the purpose of giving the worst teams the best chance in the lottery and deprives paying fans of seeing competitive basketball. I believe it is done - but I don't like it and I think the league should do everything possible (which is what I don't know) to stop teams from tanking.


I agree with you I think the system promotes tanking. That is why I propose an inverse order for the lottery. Or go back to the random lottery if you don't make the playoffs you get equal amount of chance to win. I like the envelopes in the drum as opposed to the ping pong balls. I do not like the ping pong ball strategy. It promotes tanking teams looking to jock for the highest chance to win the lottery.


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3/3/2009  2:44 PM
Posted by TMS:

play the youth & let the chips fall where they may... no one expects these players to purposely throw games, but the coach can determine the rotations w/the mindset that the playoffs are no longer a priority over assessing our young players & letting them gain as much experience as possible... we have nothing to gain by winning a few extra games & still missing out on the playoffs.

Lets hope D'Antoni realizes its the right thing to do to play Gallo, Chandler and Samb, get them as much minutes as possible. Its not going to do the Knicks any good to try this playoff push its ridiculous to go that route. It is only going to hurt the Knicks rather than help.
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3/3/2009  2:46 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

I agree. You don't learn anything from tanking. It just goes against my beliefs.

The players might not learn anything, but we'll have a better chance of upgrading the roster.

For everyone with this indignant 'we can't tank' opinion, explain how this team which is marginally talented is going to improve? We have a lot of short term parts that are parked here until 2010, and then they are gone.

We have parts (Curry & Jeffries) that are here likely beyond 2010, but not because we want them, but because we are stuck with them.

And what are you left with? About 4 guys (Nate, Lee, Chandler & Gallo) who might be part of a supporting cast to Lebron. And if you have as much weight as you do in how Lebron is going to turn this franchise around, I don't think its a requirement that these 4 guys get to sniff the play offs this year.

2009/10 is the year we need to win games for 2 reasons: 1. we don't own our pick & 2. if we're going to recruit Lebron or Wade, we better look decent that year.

The best thing we could do to help us in 2010 is tank, get the absolute best player in the draft this year that can help us in 2009/10 & help make Lebron/Wade feel like he has a quality supporting cast.
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3/3/2009  2:48 PM
as a hardcore jet fan too, probably the only thing I've ever agreed with...
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3/3/2009  2:56 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

I agree. You don't learn anything from tanking. It just goes against my beliefs.

Yeah and if the Knicks did it right from the beginning you could have had, the following players LeBron, Howard, Yoa, and the list goes on and on and on.

If you are a GM this has to be part of the strategy. Its flawed but that is the NBA it rewards tanking.

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3/3/2009  2:57 PM
We made it all the way to March before discussing the "Tank"!!!!!

Thats progress!

Last year we were cooked the first week in January.

Look what rebuilding has done: we have bonafide assets in Nate, Lee, chandler and we know Gallo has moments.

Keep doing it.

Get a shot blocker and Point guard and do it again next season.

Don't tank, but don't give vets any more playing time unless we have to. We don't get blown out and the team is really evolving.

Rebuilding is hard.
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3/3/2009  3:23 PM
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I disagree with throwing games, but with this team we have seen the best that they can do so the rest is probably down hill anyway.
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3/3/2009  3:31 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by TMS:

play the youth & let the chips fall where they may... no one expects these players to purposely throw games, but the coach can determine the rotations w/the mindset that the playoffs are no longer a priority over assessing our young players & letting them gain as much experience as possible... we have nothing to gain by winning a few extra games & still missing out on the playoffs.

Lets hope D'Antoni realizes its the right thing to do to play Gallo, Chandler and Samb, get them as much minutes as possible. Its not going to do the Knicks any good to try this playoff push its ridiculous to go that route. It is only going to hurt the Knicks rather than help.

if i were MDA i'd get Curry back into the rotation asap, & work both Gallo & Chandler into the starting rotation & focus on getting a full assessment of those 3 guys w/the remaining games left on the roster... i don't care how badly out of shape Curry is, i'd just let him play himself into shape on the court... getting him back to some semblence of productivity is way more important to our longterm future than winning a few meaningless games in a playoff race we're pretty much out of at this point... if Curry can show teams he can still play we might be able to dump his contract in the offseason, or at least get some discussions started that we can explore at the deadline next season... getting his contract off our books & getting our young guys burn should be the #1 focus right now above all else.
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3/3/2009  3:36 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by TMS:

play the youth & let the chips fall where they may... no one expects these players to purposely throw games, but the coach can determine the rotations w/the mindset that the playoffs are no longer a priority over assessing our young players & letting them gain as much experience as possible... we have nothing to gain by winning a few extra games & still missing out on the playoffs.

Lets hope D'Antoni realizes its the right thing to do to play Gallo, Chandler and Samb, get them as much minutes as possible. Its not going to do the Knicks any good to try this playoff push its ridiculous to go that route. It is only going to hurt the Knicks rather than help.

if i were MDA i'd get Curry back into the rotation asap, & work both Gallo & Chandler into the starting rotation & focus on getting a full assessment of those 3 guys w/the remaining games left on the roster... i don't care how badly out of shape Curry is, i'd just let him play himself into shape on the court... getting him back to some semblence of productivity is way more important to our longterm future than winning a few meaningless games in a playoff race we're pretty much out of at this point... if Curry can show teams he can still play we might be able to dump his contract in the offseason, or at least get some discussions started that we can explore at the deadline next season... getting his contract off our books & getting our young guys burn should be the #1 focus right now above all else.

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3/3/2009  3:45 PM
I say we have 2 more losses we can afford without a 5-6 game win streak before we need to pack it in for the lottery.

Though if they wanted to go in tank mode I wouldn't blame them.
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