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Evaluating Donnie Walsh
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MS
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3/2/2009  9:54 AM
Rating Donnie Walsh

I think most would say Walsh is doing a good job and we are all happy with the job he is doing, but I wanted to take a closer look into his first season on the job.

Coach: Mike D’Antoni: Grade: A

Draft: Danillo does some nice things and has looked more aggressive, but passing on Lopez, Randolf and Gordon will prove to be a huge mistake down the road. Everyone of those kids is young and fill a need at a position we didn’t have.
Grade: D

Free Agents:

Chris Duhon:
Duhon has been solid and a nice pg for us. Needs to be moved in the offseason or by the deadline.
Grade: B+

Anthony Roberson: This one is troubling, evaluating talent is a big job for the GM, this kid was flat out terrible, couldn’t shoot and couldn’t dribble. Very easy to tell Von Wafer was the better choice for the Knicks at the SG.
Grade: F

Trades:

Zach Randolf/Mardy Collins for Tim Thomas/Cuttino Mobley
Moving, Zach seemed impossible, and Walsh wanted to play his hand to see how much value he could return on a young 20/10 PF. Had Walsh just accepted the second round pick we wouldn’t have clogged up two roster spots, and the Clips selected a nice project Deandre Jordon
Grade: C

Jamal Crawford for Al Harrington: Harrington is the better player and more efficient and can be moved a next years deadline for a late pick to a team looking for scoring bunch
Grade: B+

Tim Thomas/Jerome James for Larry Huges: Hughes has looked effective, but adding veterans to a team that needs to play young talent
Grade: C+

Malik Rose for Wilcox: We needed a big body even if we aren’t going to play him
Grade: B

Marbury: We all get we were trying to change the culture and perhaps this move needed to be done, but with Marbury in shape and accepting coming off the bench and in a contract year why not try to maximize his value, chances are he could have been moved if he was productive.
Grade: F

Judgment: Both Lee and Nate could have been signed to more reasonable deals in the offseason, Nate is quickly becoming one of the tougher guards in the league and his salary has probably jumped from 4 to 7 million. If we lose one of them without compensation it really hurts
Grade C+

Overall Grade: B-
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3/2/2009  9:59 AM
Fair enough.
With what he get to get to B- is pretty good.
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3/2/2009  10:08 AM
Posted by MS:

Rating Donnie Walsh

I think most would say Walsh is doing a good job and we are all happy with the job he is doing, but I wanted to take a closer look into his first season on the job.

Coach: Mike D’Antoni: Grade: A

Draft: Danillo does some nice things and has looked more aggressive, but passing on Lopez, Randolf and Gordon will prove to be a huge mistake down the road. Everyone of those kids is young and fill a need at a position we didn’t have.
Grade: D

Free Agents:

Chris Duhon:
Duhon has been solid and a nice pg for us. Needs to be moved in the offseason or by the deadline.
Grade: B+

Anthony Roberson: This one is troubling, evaluating talent is a big job for the GM, this kid was flat out terrible, couldn’t shoot and couldn’t dribble. Very easy to tell Von Wafer was the better choice for the Knicks at the SG.
Grade: F

Trades:

Zach Randolf/Mardy Collins for Tim Thomas/Cuttino Mobley
Moving, Zach seemed impossible, and Walsh wanted to play his hand to see how much value he could return on a young 20/10 PF. Had Walsh just accepted the second round pick we wouldn’t have clogged up two roster spots, and the Clips selected a nice project Deandre Jordon
Grade: C

Jamal Crawford for Al Harrington: Harrington is the better player and more efficient and can be moved a next years deadline for a late pick to a team looking for scoring bunch
Grade: B+

Tim Thomas/Jerome James for Larry Huges: Hughes has looked effective, but adding veterans to a team that needs to play young talent
Grade: C+

Malik Rose for Wilcox: We needed a big body even if we aren’t going to play him
Grade: B

Marbury: We all get we were trying to change the culture and perhaps this move needed to be done, but with Marbury in shape and accepting coming off the bench and in a contract year why not try to maximize his value, chances are he could have been moved if he was productive.
Grade: F

Judgment: Both Lee and Nate could have been signed to more reasonable deals in the offseason, Nate is quickly becoming one of the tougher guards in the league and his salary has probably jumped from 4 to 7 million. If we lose one of them without compensation it really hurts
Grade C+

Overall Grade: B-

I think the Hughes trade deserves a B+ because we had no size at the 2-guard and Hughes can still play while his expiring will be very attractive next year. I've been impressed with Hughes the last few games. I actually thought he played Wade very well until he exploded (with the help of the refs).

The Harrington trade is a A in my mind. Al is a far better player than Jamal will ever be. His deal doesn't hurt us (in fact it expires next year) - he actually rebounds some nights and defends adequately. Crawford is a joke and is proving as much in GS. Al could be a force on a very solid team - coming off the bench and scoring in bunches.

I don't blame Donnie for the Marbury situation at all. It is clear that Donnie wanted Mike to play Steph in order to boost his value and help the team. It's hard to really argue with Mike not wanting Steph to mess with the locker room but Donnie clearly wanted Steph playing and improving his stock. He was smart NOT to force Mike to play him because that would have been a dissaster on all fronts.

In terms of Lee and Nate -- I give him a B+. The economy will play in our favor and both Lee and Nates stock are higher than ever before if we decide to go the trade route.
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3/2/2009  10:16 AM
I'll insert my comments where I disagree

Coach: Mike D’Antoni: Grade: A

Draft:
Grade: D

Free Agents:

Chris Duhon:

Grade: B+

Trades:

Zach Randolf/Mardy Collins for Tim Thomas/Cuttino Mobley
Grade: B+ Getting a shorter contract for Zach WITHOUT having to add in any sweetener is a major accomplishment.

Jamal Crawford for Al Harrington:
Grade: A+
We got the better player and the better contract. You cannot ask for anything more out of a trade.

Tim Thomas/Jerome James for Larry Huges: Hughes has looked effective, but adding veterans to a team that needs to play young talent
Grade: B+
Freed up roster spots ad got rid of Jerome.
Malik Rose for Wilcox:
Grade: B

Lee and Nate
I'll wait until the off-season to evaluate this one.

Overall Grade: B+Getting the lotto pick right was very important but is the only concern I have.
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3/2/2009  10:17 AM
I don't understand all the hate for Gallo. I really don't. He's not there yet, for sure, but am I the only one who sees some good in his play? Right now, I'd say Lopez and Gordon are better players and RandolPH looks like he's got a ton of potential... but I see some good in Gallo and I do think in three years Gallo will be a better player than both Lopez and Gordon and while RandolPH may be better than Gallo, Gallo is the less risky bet.
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3/2/2009  10:39 AM
We didn't have to take on Tim Thomas and Cuttino in order to get Zach the salary dump for a second rounder was confirmed by multiple sources. We free two roster spots in the deal, and add a second round project.

I don't think you can say Gallo is going to be the better player, you can't even make that claim.

Lopez is a big man and it usually takes them a few years to show signs. He is already a top shot blocker, great rebounder and good finisher around the basket. Good bigs don't exist.

Gordon is a 20 year old kid shooting 44% and averaging 15pts on the clippers, and averaged 22 and 19 for the past two months and is a good defender.
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3/2/2009  10:43 AM
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3/2/2009  2:28 PM
In my opinion he has done everything well, except the Marbury thing, but that was maybe more Mike's fault than him. So far, I really cant complain. For sure, there is always room for improvement in all his decisions, but overall he has done a solid job for now.
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3/2/2009  2:52 PM
Here are my grades for the Godfather.

Coach: Mike D’Antoni: Grade: A+

Draft: I like Gallo and his skillset. Giving him a failing mark in the first year is just foolish.
Grade: B+

Free Agents:

Chris Duhon: He has proven to be a very good PG. He is breaking down with the amount of PT he has received. He needs to play around 32 mins a game to be effective.
Grade: A-

Anthony Roberson: I agree.
Grade: F

Trades:

Zach Randolf/Mardy Collins for Tim Thomas/Cuttino Mobley
I don't think you can get more for ZBo. This was a must trade. He would have gotten a higher grade if Cuttino was healthy.
Grade: B

Jamal Crawford for Al Harrington: This was a good move. Jamal was not taking us anywhere and Al is a good pick-up.
Grade: B+

Tim Thomas/Jerome James for Larry Huges: Getting a stop gap SG and getting rid of JJFat is an A all the way.
Grade: A

Malik Rose for Wilcox: Money for nothing and chicks for free.
Grade: A+

Marbury: Dinglebury got what he deserved.
Grade: B+

Judgment: Both Lee and Nate had to prove themselves first.
Grade B+

Overall Grade: A-
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3/2/2009  2:59 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

Here are my grades for the Godfather.

Coach: Mike D’Antoni: Grade: A+

Draft: I like Gallo and his skillset. Giving him a failing mark in the first year is just foolish.
Grade: B+

Free Agents:

Chris Duhon: He has proven to be a very good PG. He is breaking down with the amount of PT he has received. He needs to play around 32 mins a game to be effective.
Grade: A-

Anthony Roberson: I agree.
Grade: F

Trades:

Zach Randolf/Mardy Collins for Tim Thomas/Cuttino Mobley
I don't think you can get more for ZBo. This was a must trade. He would have gotten a higher grade if Cuttino was healthy.
Grade: B

Jamal Crawford for Al Harrington: This was a good move. Jamal was not taking us anywhere and Al is a good pick-up.
Grade: B+

Tim Thomas/Jerome James for Larry Huges: Getting a stop gap SG and getting rid of JJFat is an A all the way.
Grade: A

Malik Rose for Wilcox: Money for nothing and chicks for free.
Grade: A+

Marbury: Dinglebury got what he deserved.
Grade: B+

Judgment: Both Lee and Nate had to prove themselves first.
Grade B+

Overall Grade: A-

this is where my gradeset would be.
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3/2/2009  2:59 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

but am I the only one who sees some good in his play?

no, you are not.. i see the good in his game, and posted it on here many times. the problem,is we are bombarded with "we should have drafted (x) player instead of gallo" or" this player is going to be great and we passed on (x) player" type threads, the good things about gallo get completely lost..


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3/2/2009  3:20 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

but am I the only one who sees some good in his play?

no, you are not.. i see the good in his game, and posted it on here many times. the problem,is we are bombarded with "we should have drafted (x) player instead of gallo" or" this player is going to be great and we passed on (x) player" type threads, the good things about gallo get completely lost..

Yup, same here. I think there is only a few of us that actually like Gallo.
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3/2/2009  3:43 PM
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3/2/2009  3:46 PM
donnie walsh gets an incomplete...
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3/2/2009  4:27 PM
Draft pick Gallo should get an incomplete.

Also Gordan & Lopez weren't need positions at the draft. Our needs at the draft was a high level pure PG. We also didn't know what we had at SF with Chandler and Q needed to be upgraded so SF was a need as well.

We had no idea if Walsh was going to be able to move Zach Randolph. Curry was expect to play so we could up his value and trade him. Jamal Crawford was still our starting SG.

You have to look at the thought process during the draft not now. If we draft Lopez but weren't able to trade Randolph you now have Randolph, Lee, Curry, Lopez. So with the plan being to boost the value of Randolph & Curry so we could trade there contracts. Lopez would have been a guy who didn't get much playing time. Nobody foresaw the problems that Curry was only going to play like 5mins this whole season.

Also Lopez, Gordan are going to be good players but they aren't going to be the type of players that the people on this board are crying that we missed out on. They have already been called superstars. Whats going to happen is they are going to be loved until they sign that contract extension or new contract. Then they are going to become forgotten like Chris Kaman and Richard Jefferson.
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3/2/2009  4:34 PM
the team is 11 games under .500 so i don't see how d'antoni gets an "A". i guess fans realize he will be here for a while so the thought is that the knicks will eventually get talent and then d'antoni will win then. but in terms of this season - in a east where only 5 teams are over .500, 24-35 does not garner an "A".

there's a good chance no more than 2-3 players on this current roster will be here after next year also.

so the grade is incomplete.
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3/2/2009  4:51 PM
Coach: D'Antoni gets a B-

Draft: Gallo C-

Free Agent Signing: Duhon B-

Trades: B- the trades were mostly made with cap space in mind which is good. Mostly side ways moves

Marbury Situation: C , I would have liked to see Marbury a Knick until the end of his contract.

Rebuilding for the future: C- would like to see more PT for Chandler and Gallo.

Overall Grade: C







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3/2/2009  5:01 PM
Giving a draft grade to the Gallinari pick is comical at this point. I don't take ANY type of draft grade seriously until the player has had 2 full seasons to show what he has.
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Posted by JamaicanJetFan:

Giving a draft grade to the Gallinari pick is comical at this point. I don't take ANY type of draft grade seriously until the player has had 2 full seasons to show what he has.

Everything is done at this moment in time.

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3/2/2009  5:57 PM
Posted by JamaicanJetFan:

Giving a draft grade to the Gallinari pick is comical at this point. I don't take ANY type of draft grade seriously until the player has had 2 full seasons to show what he has.

draft grades are normally given right after the draft by many pundits and sports writers. What's comical about giving a draft grade almost a year later?
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