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MY final list for this years draft given that we are not top 3 and anywhere from 7-13 or so
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BRIGGS
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2/25/2009  10:29 AM
1 BJ Mullens--MY God if the Knicks cant figure out this kid will be a 20 point 60% player they should all hand in their badges and paychecks
2. Willie Warren--a Baron David hybrid G who can shoot it

3 Jeff Teague--not the best body but he is Monta Ellis 2 nearly perfect for this system


i.e There are good guards all the way down round 1 into low 2. There are no more Mullens past 6-10 and maybe not for another 3 years. He's not going top 3 but likely 6-12ish--I would do what it takes within reason to acquire him. If that meant offering a lottery protected 2012 +3mm in cash--I would do it to move up.
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2/25/2009  10:51 AM
on this being your "final thought"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I put the over/under number on threads created by Briggs between now and the draft (120 days away) on his draft thoughts at 75.

So much will happen between now and draft its kind of moot to comment.

My early choice would be the Ohio state kid... Evan Turner
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2/25/2009  10:55 AM
I still think Briggs should only be allowed to post his draft-thoughts into ONE thread.
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2/25/2009  10:57 AM
Posted by fishmike:

on this being your "final thought"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I put the over/under number on threads created by Briggs between now and the draft (120 days away) on his draft thoughts at 75.

So much will happen between now and draft its kind of moot to comment.

My early choice would be the Ohio state kid... Evan Turner

Just come back here at anytime--Ive seen enough. This draft is much different than last years. It's very clear-coated.
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2/25/2009  11:11 AM
BJ Mullens has a very small sample to play to look at to judge. He's very big. If your watching that team how are you not impressed with Evan Turner who is having a breakout season???

Evan Turner = Josh Howard part II

Good on both sides of the ball, a 2/3 player that shoots > 50% and fills the statsheet everynight with blocks, rebounds, steals and assists.

We wont be as low as 7 either, unless we have some kind of implosion or injury. probably 10-15 at the worst. I thin this team makes the playoffs
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2/25/2009  11:46 AM
Real GM just put out a really good draft board. It makes a lot more sense than NBADraft.net.
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1. Blake Griffin
Power Forward. Oklahoma

Unlike the Oden/Durant showdown and last year's Rose/Beasley debate, Griffin has no peer at the top of this draft. He is the undisputed best player in the pool and his combination of athleticism and a very high skill level will almost immediately make him one of the NBA's best power forwards.

2. James Harden
Shooting Guard. Arizona State

In recent years, there haven't been too many pure shooting guards that are more sophisticated scorers as a sophomore than James Harden.

3. Jordan Hill
Power Forward. Arizona

For the 2008 draft, I really liked Hill as a selection early in the second half of the first round and he came back to Tucson for his junior season with a vastly improved skill set. He has improved his raw offensive game with more refinement and control, which matches his athleticism.

4. Greg Monroe
Forward/Center. Georgetown

Monroe might still have the decision-making and unpolished skills of a freshman, but his size, athleticism and natural feel for the game make him a unique big prospect.

5. Tyreke Evans
Combo Guard. Memphis

Evans initially had some struggles when arriving at Memphis, but his play has been much better of late. He has shown the ability to play the point position, which is tremendously valuable given his size and build. He's also shooting the ball efficiently from the perimeter.

6. Brandon Jennings
Point Guard. Roma

Jennings is a really good jump shooter and will have one of the NBA's best crossover dribbles. He is quick enough to beat his man nearly at will, especially because he's so slippery and with his very good in-air body control, Jennings is a good finisher.

7. Jrue Holiday
Combo Guard. UCLA

Holiday is a tremendous athlete and has been playing the Russell Westbrook role this year. He has an excellent handle and when he gets into the paint, he will be able to bounce off defenders and finish much the same way as Chris Paul.

8. Jeff Teague
Point Guard. Wake Forest

Teague may not have the explosiveness of many of the other top guards in this draft, but he's everything you can ask for as a scoring point guard.

9. Hasheem Thabeet
Center. Connecticut

While still remaining an elite shotblocker, Thabeet keeps nudging his still very young game along.

10. Al-Farouq Aminu
Combo Forward. Wake Forest

Aminu is probably the biggest project out of anyone in the top-10. He is inconsistent and makes a lot of out of control freshman mistakes, but then he'll wow you with an incredibly soft touch in traffic or a shocking ability to sky and extend to bucket for a dunk.

11. Willie Warren
Point Guard. Oklahoma

Warren will be able to score anywhere he wants to on the NBA level. He already has NBA 3-point range and has as much explosion to the rim as anyone in this draft. He has a confident handle and great poise on the floor. He reminds me of Adrian Peterson in the way he has and uses his strength.

12. B.J. Mullens
Center. Ohio State

For the third consecutive season, Thad Matta has a first round freshman prospect at center. He has good elevation and strength to go with a sophisticated set of post moves. Mullens also has good vision as a passer, though the college game remains a little too quick for his decision-making.

13. Austin Daye
Combo Forward. Gonzaga

His lack of athleticism and slow physical maturity will hurt him in the NBA initially and is why he should stay at Gonzaga for his junior season, but he has all of the natural skills and instincts to become everything Jared Jeffries couldn't at the next level. He has an excellent inside/outside game, both in the post and shooting off the dribble.

14. Patrick Patterson
Power Forward. Kentucky

Patterson has the frame and skill set of a classic, 1980's power forward. He can also be explosive as a finisher and rebounder, while also excelling as a passer.

15. Terrence Williams
Shooting Guard. Louisville

Williams is someone that looks much better live than on paper. Even though his shooting percentages are far from ideal for a shooting guard, he has good mechanics and a compact form. He has excellent athleticism, a good handle, a great feel for game and should have an Antonio Daniels type of career in the NBA as an incredibly productive combo guard.

16. Jonny Flynn
Point Guard. Syracuse

A lot of teams were interested in Flynn in last year's draft before he decided to return to Syracuse for his sophomore season and he's continuing to improve this season. He has great intangibles and I expect him to actually be a better pro than he is a college player depending on the offensive system he ends up in.

17. Demar DeRozen
Guard/Forward. USC

DeRozen has been more Nick Young than O.J. Mayo thus far in his career at USC, which should include a sophomore season. His athleticism and natural skill are off the charts, but he needs considerably more improvement in his consistency to become a reliable NBA player.

18. Earl Clark
Combo Forward. Louisville

With great basketball considering his height, Clark is eerily reminiscent of a Ron Mercer or Al Harrington. He does a whole bunch of things on the floor, especially with the dribble, that few players his height are capable of at any level. He has a quick release with his jumper and a capable shot, though his efficiency is disconcerting.

19. Darren Collison
Point Guard. UCLA

Collison could be playing in his fourth Final Four and his improvement since he was a freshman in 2005 has been considerable. He is a much better shooter and has decreased his turnovers. I'm not sure he is talented enough to be a starting point guard on a good team, but he'll make a superb backup due to his defensive abilities and consistency.

20. Ty Lawson
Point Guard. North Carolina

Lawson's game is almost completely predicated on the extreme speed of his dribble and he will be an ideal point guard for an athletic young team that likes to run with him. He has matured in his decision-making this season and has also dramatically improved his perimeter shot.

21. Evan Turner
Small Forward. Ohio State

Turner moves very well without the ball and has a dynamic first step with the dribble when he does get it. He has impressive mechanics with his shot and really sells ball fakes, which frequently turn into unguardable spin moves.

22. Gerald Henderson
Shooting Guard. Duke

Henderson is incredibly smooth and sounds in just about every facet of the game. He is a little small and underwhelming to be anything more than an average NBA shooting guard.

23. Chase Budinger
Small Forward. Arizona

Unfortunately for Budinger, he is showing the signs of his ceiling as an amateur instead of in the slot of a lottery pick's rookie contract. But he is showing tangible improvement, both as a scorer and defender.

24. DaJuan Summers
Small Forward. Georgetown

Summers has a lot of skill and strength as a 6-8 small forward and he's also improved his shooting efficiency considerably this season as a junior.

25. Cole Aldrich
Center. Kansas

Aldrich has a soft touch and good post moves as one of the best big scorers in college basketball. He is naturally a scorer and is agile despite having average athleticism. His shot mechanics are awkward, as he takes the ball nearly behind his head and doesn't have a lot of touch on it despite being successful with it.

26. Stephen Curry
Combo Guard. Davidson

Curry is a proven NCAA scorer, but unless he can develop some serious point guard skills, he will struggle to find time in the NBA. Now as a known commodity, he is facing tighter defensive schemes and his 3-point shooting as been far from efficient, with a lot of 4-for-12 kind of nights from beyond the arc.

27. Nick Calathes
Point Guard. Florida

Calathes has excellent pure point guard skills and is improving as a shooter. He has excellent vision and speed with the open court dribble, which allows him to use his skills as a passer, creator and facilitator. His lack of lift and explosiveness will hurt him, but his build suggests he'll be strong enough to compensate for that in the NBA.

28. Jerome Jordan
Center. Tulsa

Jordan is really skilled and smooth as a scorer and should be an effective backup center in the NBA if developed properly. He is very slight and needs to add mass, which will help him work for better position in the post, but for now has great touch and range with his hook and shot.

29. Patrick Mills
Point Guard. St. Mary\'s

Mills suffered a hand injury, which will likely seal his fate to wait until the 2010 draft, but he has shown enough to be a solid first rounders in spite of that. Because he's so slight, he is more Tony Parker than Chris Paul, except with a much better perimeter shot. His range is NBA-deep and because his form is so compact and quick, getting it off over taller defenders shouldn't be a problem. He is an average passer, though occasionally creative.

30. Gani Lawal
Forward/Center. Georgia Tech

Lawal is a bruising power forward that won't win any style points, but is an effective scorer and rebounder.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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2/25/2009  11:53 AM
Second Round

31. James Johnson
Power Forward. Wake Forest


32. Damion James
Small Forward. Texas


33. Nando De Colo
Point Guard. France


34. DeJuan Blair
Power Forward. Pittsburgh


35. Jarvis Varnado
Power Forward. Mississippi State


36. Omri Casspi
Small Forward. Maccabi Tel Aviv


37. Craig Brackins
Power Forward. Iowa State


38. Tyshawn Taylor
Point Guard. Kansas


39. Tyler Smith
Small Forward. Tennessee


40. Sam Muldrow
Power Forward. South Carolina


41. Taj Gibson
Power Forward. USC


42. Sam Young
Small Forward. Pittsburgh


43. Alex Tyus
Power Forward. Florida


44. Tyler Hansbrough
Power Forward. North Carolina


45. Rodrigue Beaubois
Point Guard. Cholet



46. Connor Atchley
Power Forward. Texas


47. Tyrese Rice
Point Guard. Boston College


48. A.J. Abrams
Point Guard. Texas


49. Victor Claver
Combo Forward. Spain


50. Wayne Ellington
Shooting Guard. North Carolina


51. A.J. Price
Point Guard. UConn


52. Jeff Pendergraph
Power Forward. Arizona State


53. Leo Lyons
Power Forward. Missouri


54. Josh Shipp
Shooting Guard. UCLA


55. Alade Aminu
Power Forward. Georgia Tech


56. Alonzo Gee
Shooting Guard. Alabama


57. Jonas Jerebko
Small Forward. Sweeden


58. Jeff Adrien
Power Forward. UConn


59. Curtis Jerrells
Point Guard. Baylor


60. Eric Maynor
Point Guard. VCU
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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2/25/2009  12:08 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Second Round

31. James Johnson
Power Forward. Wake Forest


32. Damion James
Small Forward. Texas


33. Nando De Colo
Point Guard. France


34. DeJuan Blair
Power Forward. Pittsburgh


35. Jarvis Varnado
Power Forward. Mississippi State


36. Omri Casspi
Small Forward. Maccabi Tel Aviv


37. Craig Brackins
Power Forward. Iowa State


38. Tyshawn Taylor
Point Guard. Kansas


39. Tyler Smith
Small Forward. Tennessee


40. Sam Muldrow
Power Forward. South Carolina


41. Taj Gibson
Power Forward. USC


42. Sam Young
Small Forward. Pittsburgh


43. Alex Tyus
Power Forward. Florida


44. Tyler Hansbrough
Power Forward. North Carolina


45. Rodrigue Beaubois
Point Guard. Cholet



46. Connor Atchley
Power Forward. Texas


47. Tyrese Rice
Point Guard. Boston College


48. A.J. Abrams
Point Guard. Texas


49. Victor Claver
Combo Forward. Spain


50. Wayne Ellington
Shooting Guard. North Carolina


51. A.J. Price
Point Guard. UConn


52. Jeff Pendergraph
Power Forward. Arizona State


53. Leo Lyons
Power Forward. Missouri


54. Josh Shipp
Shooting Guard. UCLA


55. Alade Aminu
Power Forward. Georgia Tech


56. Alonzo Gee
Shooting Guard. Alabama


57. Jonas Jerebko
Small Forward. Sweeden


58. Jeff Adrien
Power Forward. UConn


59. Curtis Jerrells
Point Guard. Baylor


60. Eric Maynor
Point Guard. VCU

Wow Blair 34 where can I sign up? No way he's going to be a lottery pick.
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2/25/2009  12:13 PM
You think Briggs? I mean, he's not getting drafted by the Knicks.

Haven't we heard this story before where a big dude holds back his weight problems in college and is a beast, but as soon as he gets paid he uses the money to buy twinkies?
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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2/25/2009  12:16 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Wow Blair 34 where can I sign up? No way he's going to be a lottery pick.
too small. He might be a good player in the league but you cant draft a 6'7 college center with a lottery pick. I know to took apart Thabeet but I just dont see how you can take him top 15
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2/25/2009  12:17 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

You think Briggs? I mean, he's not getting drafted by the Knicks.

Haven't we heard this story before where a big dude holds back his weight problems in college and is a beast, but as soon as he gets paid he uses the money to buy twinkies?

If Blair is the 34th best player in this draft--if he lasts to 34--then I will eat my underwear online piece by piece.
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2/25/2009  12:20 PM
I remember a time on the UK boards (Bip wouldn't know, he's just a newbie) when all we would do all day is kill Isiah for loving undersized centers and power forwards.

Remember Mo Taylor, Sweetney, KT, Rose and everyone else we rolled out there?
Now it doesn't matter?
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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2/25/2009  12:21 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

You think Briggs? I mean, he's not getting drafted by the Knicks.

Haven't we heard this story before where a big dude holds back his weight problems in college and is a beast, but as soon as he gets paid he uses the money to buy twinkies?
he wont get fat in the NBA. He's build like a Defensive end. He's totally ripped. It will be interesting to see his measurements. The only way he sneaks into the top 15 is if he's got some kind of sick wingspan. Say if he's 6'8 with a 7'2 wingspan. Sheldon Williams and David West are < 6'9 and both have 7'4 wingspans.
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2/25/2009  12:22 PM
This is one draft with budget pressures facing teams that we should be able to easily buy 2 first rounders and bundle with ours to move up.

We have enough Quantity, we need Quality in the worse way.
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2/25/2009  12:24 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

You think Briggs? I mean, he's not getting drafted by the Knicks.

Haven't we heard this story before where a big dude holds back his weight problems in college and is a beast, but as soon as he gets paid he uses the money to buy twinkies?

If Blair is the 34th best player in this draft--if he lasts to 34--then I will eat my underwear online piece by piece.


lets all hope and pray he doesnt last to 34
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2/25/2009  12:26 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

You think Briggs? I mean, he's not getting drafted by the Knicks.

Haven't we heard this story before where a big dude holds back his weight problems in college and is a beast, but as soon as he gets paid he uses the money to buy twinkies?
he wont get fat in the NBA. He's build like a Defensive end. He's totally ripped. It will be interesting to see his measurements. The only way he sneaks into the top 15 is if he's got some kind of sick wingspan. Say if he's 6'8 with a 7'2 wingspan. Sheldon Williams and David West are < 6'9 and both have 7'4 wingspans.

I beg to differ. He had weight problems when he came into Pitt. This is the first year he's really been in shape.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

You think Briggs? I mean, he's not getting drafted by the Knicks.

Haven't we heard this story before where a big dude holds back his weight problems in college and is a beast, but as soon as he gets paid he uses the money to buy twinkies?
he wont get fat in the NBA. He's build like a Defensive end. He's totally ripped. It will be interesting to see his measurements. The only way he sneaks into the top 15 is if he's got some kind of sick wingspan. Say if he's 6'8 with a 7'2 wingspan. Sheldon Williams and David West are < 6'9 and both have 7'4 wingspans.

The only thing Im saying is Dejuan Blair is not lasting to 34. I think he is much more Elton Brand with less athletic ability than some of those other guys. His mental and physical toughness is off the charts
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Posted by JohnWallace44:

I remember a time on the UK boards (Bip wouldn't know, he's just a newbie) when all we would do all day is kill Isiah for loving undersized centers and power forwards.

Remember Mo Taylor, Sweetney, KT, Rose and everyone else we rolled out there?
Now it doesn't matter?

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2/25/2009  12:54 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

You think Briggs? I mean, he's not getting drafted by the Knicks.

Haven't we heard this story before where a big dude holds back his weight problems in college and is a beast, but as soon as he gets paid he uses the money to buy twinkies?
he wont get fat in the NBA. He's build like a Defensive end. He's totally ripped. It will be interesting to see his measurements. The only way he sneaks into the top 15 is if he's got some kind of sick wingspan. Say if he's 6'8 with a 7'2 wingspan. Sheldon Williams and David West are < 6'9 and both have 7'4 wingspans.

The only thing Im saying is Dejuan Blair is not lasting to 34. I think he is much more Elton Brand with less athletic ability than some of those other guys. His mental and physical toughness is off the charts

I hear that. Some slow-it-down team will take him in the 2nd half of the first round. I was shocked to see the Pacers running their offense through Hibbert the other day.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
MY final list for this years draft given that we are not top 3 and anywhere from 7-13 or so

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