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joec32033
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2/22/2009  2:12 PM
Is it me or does Lee just never finish strong underneath? In the Toronto game I noticed twice where Lee got the rebound underneath, and he settled for half hearted layup or jumper type shots than putting it up strong and getting fouled and the hoop. In the midddle of the fourth there was a six point swing because the missed the shot and the foul wasn't called or it was called and missed out on the hoop and foul.

This is something that WILL separate him from being a top tier guy in this league if it keeps up.
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2/22/2009  2:17 PM
Lee doesn't like contact and never plays looking for some. It isn't new.

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2/22/2009  2:18 PM
i think he's 1 of the better finishers in the game... maybe not w/a vicious dunk but he usually gets the ball into the hole, either w/a righty or lefty layup, 2 handed put in, or a putback tip... the key is his ability to get back up at the ball quickly & his great hands... he's got springs in his legs like a pogo stick & rarely muffs a putback attempt by losing the ball on the way back up, which happens to other bigmen i watch around the NBA.
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Posted by joec32033:

Is it me or does Lee just never finish strong underneath? In the Toronto game I noticed twice where Lee got the rebound underneath, and he settled for half hearted layup or jumper type shots than putting it up strong and getting fouled and the hoop. In the midddle of the fourth there was a six point swing because the missed the shot and the foul wasn't called or it was called and missed out on the hoop and foul.

This is something that WILL separate him from being a top tier guy in this league if it keeps up.

The guy is shooting +56%--thats pretty dm good finishing. David Lee is the last guy to nag on on this team EVERY single game he can be counted on.
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2/22/2009  2:34 PM
Yeah- in the proper context, Lee is actually one of the best finishers in the game. He gets so many points around the basket, and its not just anyone who can do that (if so, why haven't other Knicks been thriving offensively- especially big ones like Jeffries- its obvious that there's a big disparity in skill). That being said Lee sometimes does have the yips about getting his shot blocked- but as he gets more savvy about his headfakes that will be less of an issue.
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2/22/2009  2:58 PM
He's actually improved this throughout the course of the season. Remember all of last season and the beginning of this season? It was all of the time that he was getting his shots blocked. Heck, I complained about it a lot. Now it's just every now and then. He's doing much better and it's not hurting the team anymore.

He's gonna get his shot blocked every now and then when HE'S our best frontcourt player. He's 6'9" and he's the main man in our frontcourt. If getting his layup blocked maybe twice a game is his biggest problem, then I'll accept that.
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2/22/2009  2:59 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Lee doesn't like contact and never plays looking for some. It isn't new.

Please explain. I know his defense is bad but he never struck me as a guy who doesn't look to finish around the hoop. I think he just have a bad habit of exposing the ball to early which results in his shot getting block or deflected.
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2/22/2009  4:37 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

He's actually improved this throughout the course of the season. Remember all of last season and the beginning of this season? It was all of the time that he was getting his shots blocked. Heck, I complained about it a lot. Now it's just every now and then. He's doing much better and it's not hurting the team anymore.

He's gonna get his shot blocked every now and then when HE'S our best frontcourt player. He's 6'9" and he's the main man in our frontcourt. If getting his layup blocked maybe twice a game is his biggest problem, then I'll accept that.

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He's gotten better through out he career. He was in the top 10 in fg% last season.

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2/22/2009  4:48 PM
We're not nearly good enough to be complaining about the offensive problems of our most efficient offensive player.
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2/22/2009  4:55 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

We're not nearly good enough to be complaining about the offensive problems of our the most efficient offensive player.

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2/22/2009  6:23 PM
Too bad his adjusted plus/minus over the last 2 seasons is negative.
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2/22/2009  6:56 PM
Posted by SeattleStew:

Too bad his adjusted plus/minus over the last 2 seasons is negative.

...which really doesn't say much more than we already knew. He was on a losing team and his interior D isn't stellar. No biggie, he is improving and gonna get paid.
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2/22/2009  9:39 PM
All I know is I saw a guy who could have easily dunked the ball and drew a foul by just going up strong. The first time he missed the basket and there was no foul. The next time he got the foul but still missed the hoop.

I am not questioning his efficiency, I am questioning two utterly Charles Smith type put backs where he seemed to-for one reason or another-not go up strong in traffic. And it is not the first time I have seen it.
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2/23/2009  2:14 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by islesfan:

Lee doesn't like contact and never plays looking for some. It isn't new.

Please explain. I know his defense is bad but he never struck me as a guy who doesn't look to finish around the hoop. I think he just have a bad habit of exposing the ball to early which results in his shot getting block or deflected.


Agreed, on offense its more of lack of polish underneath the basket than anything else. On defense i agree he does have the tendency of avoiding posterization.
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2/23/2009  8:37 AM
I think there are moments where Lee doesn't finish strong around the hoop, but I would hardly consider this part of his problems. He scores 16 a game because he is a strong finisher around the hoop. Where else are his shots coming from?

[Edited by - bippity10 on 23-02-2009 08:38 AM]
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2/23/2009  8:46 AM
You know, Wayne Gretzky was a finesse scorer. Barry Sanders sometimes danced around and would get tackled for a one or two yard loss fairly regularly. Clyde Drexler never really threw it down with authority.

Not saying David Lee is as great as those guys were, but just because his style isn't Shawn Kemp's doesn't mean he's not a finisher

[Edited by - supremecommander on 02-23-2009 08:50 AM]
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2/23/2009  8:58 AM
Posted by joec32033:

Is it me or does Lee just never finish strong underneath? In the Toronto game I noticed twice where Lee got the rebound underneath, and he settled for half hearted layup or jumper type shots than putting it up strong and getting fouled and the hoop. In the midddle of the fourth there was a six point swing because the missed the shot and the foul wasn't called or it was called and missed out on the hoop and foul.

This is something that WILL separate him from being a top tier guy in this league if it keeps up.

I think his problem is lack of upper body strength. Lee is one of the more undefined PF's in the league. I think if he went through a serious workout program to add about 10 lbs of muscle to his upper body, he would imporve his ability to finish against contact. He finishes fine when he can create some space, but he needs to improve his ability to power through people if he is going to be a solid starting PF.

[Edited by - thegame on 23-02-2009 08:59]
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2/23/2009  9:56 AM
Lee is good when in motion towards the hoop. When he either gets trapped, gets the ball in too deep in traffic, or gets an O-board deep under the hoop in traffic, he just doesn't have the moves to shake the defenders to get his shot up. Any time it's 1-1 and in fluid motion he's pretty unstoppable. Guarded by more than 1 man, deep under the rim, or in any kind of traffic, he tends to just try to put the shot up and it gets rejected. There's no deception in his offensive game that's the problem. I don't think he knows how to switch hands in the middle of a move to score. He chooses a hand and goes. So if it's going to get blocked - there's no adjustment he just gets blocked.

I'm sure it will be worked on over the summer. He's no fool. He knows he's getting stuffed.
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2/23/2009  10:10 AM
me and dj were in toronto for the game sunday - we talked about lee and watched him down low - he has a knack for being around the basket and the ball likes him - meaning that he is always in position for the put back, be it a dunk or lay-up, the dude puts himself in the right spot to get the put back. i'd say that is one of the strong points of his game.
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2/23/2009  10:13 AM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by joec32033:

Is it me or does Lee just never finish strong underneath? In the Toronto game I noticed twice where Lee got the rebound underneath, and he settled for half hearted layup or jumper type shots than putting it up strong and getting fouled and the hoop. In the midddle of the fourth there was a six point swing because the missed the shot and the foul wasn't called or it was called and missed out on the hoop and foul.

This is something that WILL separate him from being a top tier guy in this league if it keeps up.

I think his problem is lack of upper body strength. Lee is one of the more undefined PF's in the league. I think if he went through a serious workout program to add about 10 lbs of muscle to his upper body, he would imporve his ability to finish against contact. He finishes fine when he can create some space, but he needs to improve his ability to power through people if he is going to be a solid starting PF.

[Edited by - thegame on 23-02-2009 08:59]


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