Who did the Knicks lose? Malik wasn't playing even when the team had only 7 guys dressed! Big Game was out for the season ans wasn't ever going to play again regardless. Timmy was one of 5 small fwds on the team.

When Wilcox and Hughes suit up....they basically are getting a starting 2 guard and a potential starting Center for nothing! Its like they just walked to the scorers table and signed the sign-in sheet.

I think you can't down play that....the Knicks are already winning and competing harder than they ever have in 10 years. They still aren't above .500 but they are close with a group of retards playing.

Well add a legit nba 2 guard who was almost an all-star, and started for Clevland in the nba Finals. The guy can run the point and has in the past with no problem. The mofo lead the league in steals and finishes with the leaders all the time. He plays legit nba defense.

Add a dude that for 3 seasons averaged 13/7 @ 30 mins a clip. He's an awesome finisher and he can bang. Most importantly give David Lee a guy inside that can help him more than Jared..and who else?

Can't downplay this....can't over play it either.....but make no mistake about it, when these guys suit up? The Knicks will be a whole different ball club. Ante up mofo's!!!

when we end up missing the playoffs & w/a worse lottery pick then we woulda had before i don't think people will be overly ecstatic over these trades... u can't really complain but i don't see this franchise being turned into a legit playoff contender because we added Hughes & Wilcox to the roster.

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let me just preface my last comment by saying if this trade gets us into the playoffs, then i certainly won't be unhappy about it... just hope it doesn't land us in the worst possible position, which is no playoffs & a worse lottery pick, especially when neither of these guys are likely to factor into our longterm future plans anyway.

Hughes is certainly not in the long-term plans, but I can certainly see Wilcox ultimately being part of our future.

I think this is as good of a chance as Wilcox will get to unlock his potential and thrive under Coach D's system and with Duhon as a PG. If he can start putting up 10 and 10 and improve a bit on D, I think he is someone we can resign for cheap who will be a nice piece come 2010.

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when we end up missing the playoffs & w/a worse lottery pick then we woulda had before i don't think people will be overly ecstatic over these trades... u can't really complain but i don't see this franchise being turned into a legit playoff contender because we added Hughes & Wilcox to the roster.

He is 26 years old and was drafted 8th overall in 2002..ahead of Amare Stoudemire and Caron Butler. We just traded a 34 year old Malik Rose for a 1st round draft pick. A lottery pick no less AND we apparently hold Larry Bird rights on him. This kid ain't going anywhere unless lottery picks start growing on trees and monkeys fly from my ass

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i dunno about lottery picks growing on trees but 8 & 5 players certainly do... believe me i would love to see Wilcox succeed in NY... i had him #1 on my wishlist his draft class... he hasn't panned out the way i'd hoped tho... maybe he'll revive his career under MDA but i'm not holding my breath on much more than 12 & 8 type production, which is still very good for a role player but not someone who's gonna put us over any edge... that's all i'm saying.

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The past 7 years we have not been a major player in the draft, could not make trades to bring in real players and could not sign free agents. Now we are in position to sign some pretty good players via free agency. We have some young talent and ending contracts to make trades. The next step is to become a player in the draft. From 0-3 to 2-3. Not bad in under a year's worth of work

i definitely like the prospects of what an expiring Hughes, Wilcox, Harrington, Q Rich & possibly Duhon along w/Lee & Nate could possibly land us in a trade next year.

For me, its not about what we did as far as depth, its about what we didn't do to create a salary slot for either Lee or Nate or to secure the 2010-2MaxPlayer plan.

Walsh has done OK. I just don't want to see him come this far and fall one trade short of making the 2010 plan work.

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when we end up missing the playoffs & w/a worse lottery pick then we woulda had before i don't think people will be overly ecstatic over these trades... u can't really complain but i don't see this franchise being turned into a legit playoff contender because we added Hughes & Wilcox to the roster.

He is 26 years old and was drafted 8th overall in 2002..ahead of Amare Stoudemire and Caron Butler. We just traded a 34 year old Malik Rose for a 1st round draft pick. A lottery pick no less AND we apparently hold Larry Bird rights on him. This kid ain't going anywhere unless lottery picks start growing on trees and monkeys fly from my ass

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i dunno about lottery picks growing on trees but 8 & 5 players certainly do... believe me i would love to see Wilcox succeed in NY... i had him #1 on my wishlist his draft class... he hasn't panned out the way i'd hoped tho... maybe he'll revive his career under MDA but i'm not holding my breath on much more than 12 & 8 type production, which is still very good for a role player but not someone who's gonna put us over any edge... that's all i'm saying.

If he's a 12 & 8 guy and fills a need for us, why wouldn't we re-sign him?

when did i say we shouldn't resign him? i said he's not gonna make a huge impact on this team so to temper one's enthusiasm over these trades.

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The past 7 years we have not been a major player in the draft, could not make trades to bring in real players and could not sign free agents. Now we are in position to sign some pretty good players via free agency. We have some young talent and ending contracts to make trades. The next step is to become a player in the draft. From 0-3 to 2-3. Not bad in under a year's worth of work

i definitely like the prospects of what an expiring Hughes, Wilcox, Harrington, Q Rich & possibly Duhon along w/Lee & Nate could possibly land us in a trade next year.

Yeah, we'd all love to be in this situation, plus also have a top 5 pick but..............We are in a much better situation than we were a year ago. The trade deadline next year will be the true test for Walsh, but you can tell he is trying to position us to make a play for someone via trade and free agency.

i'm assuming you like Donnie's STYLE OF GMing Bip.

Can't complain about it so far. He did what I thought the next GM was going to need to do and that makes me happy. Clearing cap space was priority number one whether it was for the 2009, 2010, 2011 class was irrelevant. We needed to clear caps space to get in the game for real trades and real free agents. He did that. He still has some work to do though. Getting a pick or two in the next two drafts would be enormous. that's the 3rd leg of the Bippity "player acquisition triumvirate"(position to trade big, sign big and draft big). Unfortunately our roster is too good to get a high pick but it's impossible to have everything. The most important thing is that he does not put all his eggs in the 2010 basket(which so far I have no reason to believe that he will) while also being in position to dive into said basket. So far soo good, but a lot can happen in 1 1/2 years.

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Ok so anybody wanna talk about this season?

We didn't expect Al Harrington to give the Knicks almost reliable 20pts per game @ the 3....we didn't expect Nate to be what he is this year. Duhon, Wilson, and David Lee fall into the same boat.....

So why not Wilcox and Hughes?....for one Hughes is coming into a situation where there isn't a true starter @ the 2. Right now they are playing Q when healthy and Wilson chandler who was considered a 4 at one point......secondly D'antoni is the master and finding roles for players and getting them to shine. I can see Hughes duplicating his play at Washington. Why not? We are talking a go to type of player...a guy that could at least help prevent these slow starts. A guy that can run the offense. A guy that can play the passing lanes and ignite the break.

Wilcox is another option for Duhon. He will draw guys off of Lee and free him up even more. He can dunk the rock and will get a lot of facials....that's a morale boost. He is an active body too. His motor is excellent. He is a legit 50% shooter. He has a nice turn around jumper. He can stick the jumper or pump fake and drive.

Awesome! This year could be interesting.....this team could compete without these 2 guys.....with them hopefully they can make this current group awesome! And a mofo to play against in the playoffs!!!

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when we end up missing the playoffs & w/a worse lottery pick then we woulda had before i don't think people will be overly ecstatic over these trades... u can't really complain but i don't see this franchise being turned into a legit playoff contender because we added Hughes & Wilcox to the roster.

He is 26 years old and was drafted 8th overall in 2002..ahead of Amare Stoudemire and Caron Butler. We just traded a 34 year old Malik Rose for a 1st round draft pick. A lottery pick no less AND we apparently hold Larry Bird rights on him. This kid ain't going anywhere unless lottery picks start growing on trees and monkeys fly from my ass

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i dunno about lottery picks growing on trees but 8 & 5 players certainly do... believe me i would love to see Wilcox succeed in NY... i had him #1 on my wishlist his draft class... he hasn't panned out the way i'd hoped tho... maybe he'll revive his career under MDA but i'm not holding my breath on much more than 12 & 8 type production, which is still very good for a role player but not someone who's gonna put us over any edge... that's all i'm saying.

If he's a 12 & 8 guy and fills a need for us, why wouldn't we re-sign him?

when did i say we shouldn't resign him? i said he's not gonna make a huge impact on this team so to temper one's enthusiasm over these trades.

He's a nice piece (athletic big with great vertical leap). He's physical, something we've been sorely lacking, and likes to play inside. He can run with this team and should fit in nicely. We got him (a first rd pick) for practically nothing (a bench player) and we hold his Bird rights. So I'm a little enthusiastic. We got a little better, a little more versatile and it didn't cost us anything. Everyone is always talking about first rd picks/lottery picks...well we just got one and I think MDA will be able to utilize him very effectively and maximize his potential....and he can play some defense. Enthusiastic, yup.

just cuz he was taken in the 1st round lottery doesn't equate him to the value of a lottery pick... he hasn't lived up to his potential at all dude... i'm telling u don't expect too much outta this guy... he's a solid player, upgrade over Fishlips no doubt about it, but he's not gonna swing our fortunes much 1 way or the other... i would be shocked to see him on this team past next season.

Dude, relax we play in the eastern conference. This team seems to have done pretty well to adapt to the Randolph/Crawford trades, I thinnk they'll be fine. And since all theother teams vying for the eighth spot suck as much as we do, it isnt even going to matter. We will definitely have a shot at the playoffs.