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2/18/2009  8:47 AM
Attention K-Mart ShoppersIt sounds like the Sacramento Kings are in serious dump mode before the trade deadline. The Maloofs, who apparently lost hundreds of millions in the Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme, need to cut costs and, as one Western Conference-based team executive said, "Everyone is available."

The Kings aren't the only NBA team looking to dump salaries by Thursday, but they may be the most desperate. The "everyone is available" is likely to include high-scoring two-guard Kevin Martin, who is averaging 24 points per game this season and has four years and $46.1M left after this season on a six-year contract he signed in Aug. 2007.

Donnie Walsh has said he doesn't want to take on contracts that go beyond 2010, however there are exceptions to every rule. The Martin contract extends to 2012-13 and climbs to a max of $12.9M. But it costs $11.1M in 2010-11, which is almost exactly the salary Eddy Curry will command that season. They'd still have a year to move Curry.

So far the Knicks have passed on oft-injured diva Tracy McGrady and weren't able to get into the Amar'e Stoudemire sweepstakes, which may now turn into the Shaquille O'Neal sweepstakes.

There are even fewer teams who can afford to get into that kind of a deal.

The Knicks could offer Stephon Marbury's expiring $20.8M contract as a possible chip if they really wanted to take on the luxury tax burden of Shaq's $20M in 2009-10, which would actually wind up costing the Garden $40M in salary and tax next season. In today's economic climate, it might not be a reasonable venture.

But Shaq's allure would give the Knicks a short-term boost, though it's arguable that it would be enough to make a playoff push. O'Neal would be open to New York and D'Antoni certainly loves the Diesel . . .

Warning...more absolute speculation ahead.

And maybe the Knicks could also consider offering the Kings a package of crowd-favorite Nate Robinson ($2M) and the expiring contract of Malik Rose ($7.6M) for Martin ($9.2M). For the Knicks, they get the scoring 2-guard they so desperately need and a player who fits perfectly into D'Antoni's system (though his passing and defense will need some work, for sure and dude's gonna have to show a little bit of durability after some injury issues over the past two seasons). The Kings get serious payroll relief and also an entertaining player who can score the ball and won't come close to what Martin is making even after you re-sign him this summer.

Those two moves would dramatically change the look of the Knicks.

But so far, when it comes to the Sacramento Kings, the Knicks have been reportedly linked to talking a deal involving center Brad Miller and perhaps John Salmons. Miller makes some sense because he is a center and has a contract that expires by 2010. Salmons, however, has a contract that goes into 2010-11 at a cost of $5.8M. Rose and Robinson have been named as pieces that could come the other way, along with Jerome James' contract (one year left at $6.8M).

One high-ranking Knicks official, however, responded to this report by saying there have been no conversations involving Miller. And including Salmons doesn't make sense because you're giving up contracts that expire before 2010 and adding one that extends beyond it.

Plus, trading Robinson right now would be a tough sell on the Garden faithful, which thoroughly enjoyed KryptoN8s 32-point, 10-rebound performance in 38:19 off the bench of the 112-107 win over the Spurs. Gregg Popovich came away impressed with the energy boost Nate provided off the bench and said Robinson "kind of does for them what Ginobili does for us."

Mike D'Antoni thoroughly enjoys Robinson's enthusiasm, but you can tell there are times he drives his coach mad. Which is what prompted this out of D'Antoni after the win:

"The best thing about Nate is he can get a shot any time he wants. The worst thing is he can get a shot any time he wants."

Clearly D'Antoni would prefer he be a little more balanced as a scorer and facilitator, but right now he'll take the offense where he can get it.

And right now that's three straight 30-point games from Robinson, who went into the game ranked third in the NBA in scoring off the bench and clearly a candidate for Sixth Man of the Year honors.

(By the way, Nate's 33 points, 15 assists, 9 rebound and 5 steals against the Clippers last week was the first time a player hit for as many as 30-15-9-5 in an NBA game since Magic Johnson had 33 points, 17 assists, 15 rebounds and six steals against the Denver Nuggets on March 29, 1981. Or at least so said the Elias Sports Bureau.)

I'd say stuff like that - far more than some Slam Dunk title - makes him a valuable trade commodity in the right kind of deal. There's little you can do straight up for a player who makes just $2M -- the Knicks can not take on a bigger salary -- so you have to package him with another contract, such as Rose's expiring deal -- to make something work.

Same goes for David Lee ($1.7M) if you planned on moving him.

Again, that's IF you plan on moving either.

The good news is, the internet is here to make sure no trade rumor goes unwritten.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2009/02/attention_kmart_shoppers_1.html
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2/18/2009  9:06 AM
I mentioned this in another thread.. It would be an absolute no brainer. I doubt it happens though, this is Alan Hahn's idea.. not an actual rumor.
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2/18/2009  9:13 AM
If they'd take Curry, N8 and Rose for Miller and K-Mart, they'd save around 25M.
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2/18/2009  9:21 AM
Im gonna repost this here.

This was in response to a JJ2+Marbury for BMiller, Kenny thomas and Mikki Moore trade idea.
Add in K-Mart and Malik. If they take va-JJ off our hands and we somehow dump Curry, that leaves us with:
Lee- $8m+- (backloaded)
Nate- $6m+- (backloaded)
Gallinari- $3.3m
Wilson- $2.1m
Pick 09- $2m
Pick 10- $2m
K-Mart- $11m

Thats 34.4m in 2010, which leaves us +-$19m to throw at LeBron. Kevin Martin is the second real star, and IMO, that team contends.

Nate/Curry
K-Mart/
LeBron/Wilson
Gallinari/Derrick Favors
Lee/Vet min (Joe Smith or Brad resigns)

The Kings save $59m in that deal, plus they stay under the luxury trax threshold in 09 which saves them another $16m. $75m savings is nothing to sneeze at, especially in todays economy.

Of course, we still need to dump Curry, but this way, we get our team ready for 2010, and even if we have to settle for a second tier star, we may not be contending, but we still have a team that makes the playoffs year in year out.

[Edited by - firefly on 02-18-2009 09:22 AM]
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2/18/2009  9:56 AM
Here's how I view anything with Sacramento -- First and foremost, I want their 1st round pick. After that, maybe I could be convinced to take on a guy like Francisco Garcia who they just extended but at decent/fair money - I've always liked Garcia anyway, he's still young, a hometown kid & very skilled. Even though he cuts into the 2010 plan a little, he's good value at about $5-5.5 mil. per in my estimation. Or I'd take Brad Miller off their hands provided they want to make a fair deal - I'd have to get their 1st rounder bach though or no deal - we'll see how badly they want to save money. Miller comes off the books by 2010. But why on Earth would I take on Kevin Martin? We made a trade to unload Crawford's longterm deal now you guys want to basically take on the same guy with an even worse contract???? Man, stay the course fellas. Jesus! He's a nice player but he doesn't get us over any kind of hump. He's a "let's try and win now guy" which is not the player we should be interested in anyway - WE AE NOT 1 PIECE AWAY FROM DOING ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!! Phoenix is a team that was possibly one guy away and they went out and got Jason Richardson. We're not in the same boat. Our plan is different here. Martin's contract interfers with the 2010 plan - taking on this guy's contract turns the 2010 plan to mud. I'm not worried about this one - with his contract, he's not a guy Walsh is probably interested in anyway.
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2/18/2009  10:05 AM
A Kmart and Miller trade for Marbury & Nate kinda pulls all the theories with the kings together.
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2/18/2009  10:31 AM
Posted by Finestrg:

Here's how I view anything with Sacramento -- First and foremost, I want their 1st round pick. After that, maybe I could be convinced to take on a guy like Francisco Garcia who they just extended but at decent/fair money - I've always liked Garcia anyway, he's still young, a hometown kid & very skilled. Even though he cuts into the 2010 plan a little, he's good value at about $5-5.5 mil. per in my estimation. Or I'd take Brad Miller off their hands provided they want to make a fair deal - I'd have to get their 1st rounder bach though or no deal - we'll see how badly they want to save money. Miller comes off the books by 2010. But why on Earth would I take on Kevin Martin? We made a trade to unload Crawford's longterm deal now you guys want to basically take on the same guy with an even worse contract???? Man, stay the course fellas. Jesus! He's a nice player but he doesn't get us over any kind of hump. He's a "let's try and win now guy" which is not the player we should be interested in anyway - WE AE NOT 1 PIECE AWAY FROM DOING ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!! Phoenix is a team that was possibly one guy away and they went out and got Jason Richardson. We're not in the same boat. Our plan is different here. Martin's contract interfers with the 2010 plan - taking on this guy's contract turns the 2010 plan to mud. I'm not worried about this one - with his contract, he's not a guy Walsh is probably interested in anyway.

keep dreaming. if the maloofs approve that, they should take that franchise away from them and give it to seattle. they most likely will get the first pick which they will need to rebuild this franchise. i don't understand the cap room for them either. i can't envision free agents going to sac town.
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2/18/2009  10:44 AM
kevin martin is a beast.. a top 4 SG in the league....
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2/18/2009  10:46 AM
Posted by tkf:

kevin martin is a beast.. a top 4 SG in the league....

how is his D?
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2/18/2009  10:51 AM
Posted by tkf:

kevin martin is a beast.. a top 4 SG in the league....

Cosign.

Crawford is nothing compared to Martin. Martin has a better stroke, better shot selection, better rebounding, better everything except passing.

Martin is averaging about 23 ppg this year on one leg. The guy is a flat-out offensive stud. He's no Artest on defense, but at least he puts his hands up (1spg).

[Edited by - firefly on 02-18-2009 11:01 AM]
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2/18/2009  10:53 AM
I'd be willing to take on the money for a 25-26 yr old player the quality of Kevin Martin- I just don't see where we'd matchup as far as getting them value in return other than just cost savings. Everyone in Sacto might be available, but some will likely be available for cost savings while others would require young talent+savings
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2/18/2009  10:55 AM
Posted by tkf:

kevin martin is a beast.. a top 4 SG in the league....

I'm still trying to figure out how he doesn't shatter his wrist whenever he shoots.
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2/18/2009  10:56 AM
Posted by firefly:
Posted by tkf:

kevin martin is a beast.. a top 4 SG in the league....

Cosign.

Crawford is nothing compared to Martin. Martin has a better stroke, better shot selection, better rebounding, better everything except passing.

Martin is averaging about 23 ppg this year on one leg. The guy is a flat-out offensive stud. He's no Artest on defense, but at least he puts his hands up.

His contract is great too... when the Maloofs locked him up, most people thought he was a flash in the pan because he doesn't have the typical NBA body... but he can stroke it for sure
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2/18/2009  10:56 AM
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Posted by tkf:

kevin martin is a beast.. a top 4 SG in the league....

how is his D?

That is irrelevant when you got D'antoni on the sidelines.
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2/18/2009  10:59 AM
you may be able to get kevin martin if the knicks offer their 2009 pick and expirings.

marbury + nate + 2009 pick for kmart and brad miller...
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2/18/2009  11:02 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

you may be able to get kevin martin if the knicks offer their 2009 pick and expirings.

marbury + nate + 2009 pick for kmart and brad miller...

Knicks can't because of the pick owed to Utah... picks cannot be traded in back-to-back years
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2/18/2009  11:02 AM
Just found this....

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2008/09/16/nba-top-50-kevin-martin-no-23/

NBA Top 50: Kevin Martin (No. 23)
Posted Sep 16th 2008 10:30AM by Tom Ziller (author feed)



FanHouse's Tom Ziller argues his ranking of the top 50 players in the NBA.

Kevin Martin is unique, most will agree. His funky wind-up, his throwback hairstyle, his extensively modest persona, his assortment of runners, floaters, jukes, jives, step-backs and cross-overs. But in a much more basic sense, his combination of slashing and shooting prowess is absolutely unmatched in the NBA.

Only two players in the history of the NBA have been potent enough off the dribble and from behind the arc to average eight FTs a game and shoot 40% from three: Michael Jordan and Kevin Martin. The purple #23 even went one better last season, averaging nine FTs a game while nailing 40% of his bombs.

Guys like LeBron James and Dwyane Wade are extremely good off the dribble. They finish a lot, they find teammates, they draw fouls. But neither can shoot reliably from behind the arc. In this aspect of versatility, only Manu Ginobili and Kobe Bryant can offer the same sort of flexible potency ... and even then, Martin's more efficient in both sectors than both guys.

Scoff if you will, but this cat is clearly one of the best offensive weapons in the NBA.

For the past three years, Martin has seen his offensive role expand. In 2005-06, as a part-time starter in place of Bonzi Wells, Martin served an "energy" role extremely well: on the floor with Mike Bibby and Brad Miller, Martin got clean for the backdoor pass frequently, and worked as a one-man fast break (aka "cherry picker") occasionally. In '06-07, Martin took a featured role despite the best intentions of Bibby, Ron Artest and Eric Musselman, who at times seemed to shut him out. Due to his unnerving efficiency, Martin became the team's leading scorer despite taking less shots than Bibby or Artest.

Last season ... well, before a rough groin injury in December, Martin sat in the top-5 in the league in scoring ... despite coming behind Artest on the pecking order (still). Reggie Theus limited Martin's minutes quite a bit late in the season, understandable amid a losing season. Martin slipped under the 24-ppg mark for the season ... which still left him No. 7 in the league in scoring, despite the lower minutes. Only one guard (Kobe) scored more per-minute.

So Martin uses a bunch of offense (finally) and scores a lot. So do a lot of guys, what's the big deal?

In each of those seasons -- the "energy guy" season, the starter season, the focal point season -- Martin had a True Shooting percentage over 60%. For perspective: Tracy McGrady has never had a TS% higher than 56.4%. Allen Iverson's peak was 56.7%. Kobe's high: 58%. Wade's high: 58.3%. LeBron: 56.8%.

Almost no high volume scorers (especially perimeter players) shoot this efficiently so much as once in their career. Martin has done it three straight seasons. Amare Stoudemire has joined Martin in the "20/60 club" the last two seasons: 20 points a game, 60% True shooting. The last player to do it two straight seasons? Reggie Miller, 1995-97. This is a rare feat, left to only to most potent, efficient scorers in the land.

Not to diminish Amare's achievement -- you'll see him higher on this list -- but Martin didn't have a Nash setting the table, or a deathcab offense keeping the opposing defense off-kilter, or a creative genius manning the controls (sorry, Reggie). Martin did this with a point guard (Beno Udrih) who hadn't played in two years or started an alley-oop in 13 years (estimate), a frontcourt that wouldn't scare a marshmallow and a "sidekick" (Artest) who thinks he belongs in the MVP race and shoots, dribbles and leads as such.

Kevin Martin has done all the things I wrote above in really anti-optimal conditions. Imagine how could he'll be if the roster around him develops?


The guy is a flat-out unbelievable shooter. If he came here, in this offense, he would best Houston, Ray Ray(pre buy-a-ring Celts), Peja, Redd, Gordon etc. Crawford isnt even a comparison.

[Edited by - firefly on 02-18-2009 11:07 AM]
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2/18/2009  11:08 AM
Kenyon Martin is a good player who you could build with or use in a sign and trade in 2010. Everyone on the Knicks should be available for him.
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2/18/2009  11:11 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by djsunyc:

you may be able to get kevin martin if the knicks offer their 2009 pick and expirings.

marbury + nate + 2009 pick for kmart and brad miller...

Knicks can't because of the pick owed to Utah... picks cannot be traded in back-to-back years

We would need to do something then............. this is a deal you can't pass up.


Would they take Chandler???
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2/18/2009  11:12 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Kenyon Martin is a good player who you could build with or use in a sign and trade in 2010. Everyone on the Knicks should be available for him.

Kevin? Because if we traded for Kenyon, I would join DJ in Canada.
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