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Nalod
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2/17/2009  10:44 AM

Im suprised how little has been rumored abou this.

I realize the team is trying to get under the cap, and he is a big part of it, but could we use him to get Amare, or other talent given the cash starving some teams are right now?
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2/17/2009  10:48 AM
Who would you use him to get? (Don't say Shaq)

There aren't a ton of Max guys out there that teams would just give away.
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2/17/2009  10:52 AM
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2/17/2009  10:53 AM
I think you'd have to get someone like Baron Davis from the Clippers or Corey Maggette, if you wanted to trade Steph. And there's no way the Knicks do that b/c their contracts are very long. Just forget about trading Stephon. It ain't happening.
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2/17/2009  10:55 AM
celtics just traded cassell to the kings. saves them from luxury but also opens up a roster spot. steph may get released soon...
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2/17/2009  10:55 AM
I think the lack of rumors shows how he is viewed by the rest of the league as well as by the Knicks. There have been Tinsley rumors and my guess is that he will be traded before the deadline. My guess is that Marbury doesn't play this year and signs for MLE or less next year.
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2/17/2009  11:01 AM
Tinsley still has multiple years left, correct? Indiana has a terrible cap situation over there.

What crazy GM could have been responsible for that mess?

Oh... right...
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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2/17/2009  11:03 AM
^Larry Bird????
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2/17/2009  11:21 AM
Here's a Marbs scenario that I'd like to get the 2010-ers opinions on.

Washington is in last place. Arenas is a disaster, they have arguably the worst cap situation in the league.

What if we traded Marbs, Rose, and Nate for Caron Butler (2yrs left), Jamison (3yrs), McGee, and Nick Young

That would completely explode our 2010 plan, but think about how well that fills out our roster.

Maybe its just a pipe dream, but I think there are desperate teams out there that we can completely fleece.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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2/17/2009  11:21 AM
steph's last hope to resurrect his nba career is 2/24 - when he meets with donnie again. if he drops his appeal, and plays ball (i.e.: gives back some more cash), then and only then will donnie even consider letting him out of his contract...and that would be only if marbs agreed to a discount...

my prediction is that steph will continue to watch nba games from courtside seats after this mtg b/c donnie has all the cards right now. steph's prob has always been that he lets his ego get in the way and now its finally backfired on him. steph has no juice, no bargaining chip, nada - he is at donnie's whim right now and imho he will be left to blow in the wind - payback's a bitch....
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2/17/2009  11:26 AM
Posted by jimimou:

steph's last hope to resurrect his nba career is 2/24 - when he meets with donnie again. if he drops his appeal, and plays ball (i.e.: gives back some more cash), then and only then will donnie even consider letting him out of his contract...and that would be only if marbs agreed to a discount...

Or he could leave after 15 minutes and sit in his car again.

[Edited by - K22 on 2009-02-17 11:30 AM]
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2/17/2009  11:27 AM
If we don't trade any of the 09 expirings for 2010 expirings in order to gain assets, I think that you have to wonder if the Dolans might have lost a ton of money in the market to the point where it is impacting their decisions.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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Posted by K22:
Posted by jimimou:

steph's last hope to resurrect his nba career is 2/24 - when he meets with donnie again. if he drops his appeal, and plays ball (i.e.: gives back some more cash), then and only then will donnie even consider letting him out of his contract...and that would be only if marbs agreed to a discount...

my prediction is that steph will continue to watch nba games from courtside seats after this mtg b/c donnie has all the cards right now. steph's prob has always been that he lets his ego get in the way and now its finally backfired on him. steph has no juice, no bargaining chip, nada - he is at donnie's whim right now and imho he will be left to blow in the wind - payback's a bitch....

Or he could leave after 15 minutes and sit in his car again.
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2/17/2009  11:30 AM
I can understand the financial and personal reasons for not having one, but some people REALLY need agents.

Old saying: "Only a fool has himself for a client."
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2/17/2009  11:41 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Here's a Marbs scenario that I'd like to get the 2010-ers opinions on.

Washington is in last place. Arenas is a disaster, they have arguably the worst cap situation in the league.

What if we traded Marbs, Rose, and Nate for Caron Butler (2yrs left), Jamison (3yrs), McGee, and Nick Young

That would completely explode our 2010 plan, but think about how well that fills out our roster.

Maybe its just a pipe dream, but I think there are desperate teams out there that we can completely fleece.

This is great. You try to rip Walsh as a GM about Indiana's cap situation and then you come up with this lame trade with Washington. Don't quit your day job.
fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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2/17/2009  12:26 PM
Posted by Nalod:


Im suprised how little has been rumored abou this.

I realize the team is trying to get under the cap, and he is a big part of it, but could we use him to get Amare, or other talent given the cash starving some teams are right now?

I couldn't agree more - when I look at the most attractive expiring deals in the NBA I would tend to think is top 3 yet nothing is rumored about it.

This means that either teams want ZERO to do with him from a PR or locker room standpoint or the Knicks are not interested in taking back contracts that they'll have to pay double (luxury tax implications) for next year.

You never know what's sitting on the table already. It's possible that some agreements are in place pending something better NOT materializing. Knicks could have some type of handshake deal with another team but the other team may be telling them they want to wait until the deadline to see if something else comes up.
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2/17/2009  12:37 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

If we don't trade any of the 09 expirings for 2010 expirings in order to gain assets, I think that you have to wonder if the Dolans might have lost a ton of money in the market to the point where it is impacting their decisions.


The economy aside only the Knicks really do business this way and that was primarily started with Isiah.

If you look at the Marbury contract.

If we were able to move Steph to say Sac-Town for Miller & Thomas and say a lottery protected #1 pick in 2010.

- plus is we get a servicable big man for 1.5 years and we get a protected 2010 pick.

- downside....rather than allowing Stephs $21M deal to come off the books we pick up another $21M for next season and pay double that in luxury tax.

So you are asking a business to pay $42M for the rights to a 1-year stop gap center and a mid-round 1st round draft pick that may not be our pick for a few years depending on Kings situation.

Not many businesses (even the Knicks) will do those kind of deals in any economy --- not to mention the current one.
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2/17/2009  12:40 PM
Posted by BigRedDog:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Here's a Marbs scenario that I'd like to get the 2010-ers opinions on.

Washington is in last place. Arenas is a disaster, they have arguably the worst cap situation in the league.

What if we traded Marbs, Rose, and Nate for Caron Butler (2yrs left), Jamison (3yrs), McGee, and Nick Young

That would completely explode our 2010 plan, but think about how well that fills out our roster.

Maybe its just a pipe dream, but I think there are desperate teams out there that we can completely fleece.

This is great. You try to rip Walsh as a GM about Indiana's cap situation and then you come up with this lame trade with Washington. Don't quit your day job.

I couldn't agree more -- how to ensure the Knicks will finish in last place for the next 10 years. Trade all your cap assets for 2 players who play for one of the worst franchises in the NBA and who will do nothing but sink us into oblivion. An Isiah trade to the max.
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2/17/2009  12:49 PM
Marbury will not give anything back in his meeting with Walsh and he will not play this year. Reality will come for him next year when he has to sign an MLE contract or for less and his family will not be employed or run the building where he plays.
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2/17/2009  1:08 PM
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by BigRedDog:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Here's a Marbs scenario that I'd like to get the 2010-ers opinions on.

Washington is in last place. Arenas is a disaster, they have arguably the worst cap situation in the league.

What if we traded Marbs, Rose, and Nate for Caron Butler (2yrs left), Jamison (3yrs), McGee, and Nick Young

That would completely explode our 2010 plan, but think about how well that fills out our roster.

Maybe its just a pipe dream, but I think there are desperate teams out there that we can completely fleece.

This is great. You try to rip Walsh as a GM about Indiana's cap situation and then you come up with this lame trade with Washington. Don't quit your day job.

I couldn't agree more -- how to ensure the Knicks will finish in last place for the next 10 years. Trade all your cap assets for 2 players who play for one of the worst franchises in the NBA and who will do nothing but sink us into oblivion. An Isiah trade to the max.
Isiah was only half wrong, and Walsh is only half right.

2010 is not the whole answer. Do you think we'll contend in the first year if we have LeBron, Bosh, Chandler, Gallo and trash? I don't.

I think we'd be the Hawks.

Then, we'll be drafting in the low 20's for the next few years, and have a mid-level every couple of years to toss out there.

I don't know if that equals a championship.


The Washington trade is just an example. Clearly I'm not GM material, but that type of move has to be considered. Tell me Butler, Jamison, Young and McGee wouldn't max out their value and be nice assets to have in a D'Antoni system.

Not going to happen anyway, but the closer we get to 2010 the less I buy that idea.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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