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Cosmic
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2/13/2009  8:04 PM
Stephon Marbury and the Knicks will reportedly meet to discuss the $400,000 fine the point guard received for allegedly "refusing" to play in November.

The New York Post has learned that a hearing has been arranged for Feb. 24 that may require coach Mike D'Antoni to miss a team practice in order to testify against Marbury, who was banned from the team after the incident.

Marbury has offered to drop his appeal of the $400,000 fine if the teams accepts his $1 million giveback, but president Donnie Walsh has not budged, wary of him joining the another team.

So in essence good ole TruckBury was willing to give up 1.4M of his salary to get lost. Donnie wanted 5M and then 3M. Dolan supposedly wants 2M now.

We can't compromise?

Okay then. Give him his 400K back and send him home until the summer I guess. However I still say Dolan is an idiot if he doesn't just accept that 1.4M (which would be 2.4M to him saving him 1M off the lux tax for the 1M given back in buyout) when there is NOTHING that Marbury can do to hurt the Knicks by playing for another team.

If Dolan has that much cash where he does not care and just wants to watch InternBury squirm? Then that's fine too, it's not my cash, so then END NEGOTIATIONS so we don't have to hear about it every 2 weeks or so, and just send him home and declare that he is free to go where he wants when he legally expires.

.......what is so hard with this lol?

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2/13/2009  8:09 PM
Because Dolan got money to burn. It's personal, damnit.
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2/13/2009  8:43 PM
So you guys can't understand why as an owner/GM he would rather pay a guy 22 million to sit home than to pay him to play for someone else? Not saying I agree with it, but to me it's pretty understandable.
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2/13/2009  9:00 PM
I really don't get why people are so bothered by this. I love the occasional reminders that Steph's little tantrums dont work here anymore.
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2/13/2009  9:08 PM
Blue: I'm with you. Marbs isn't mentioned for weeks. He's completely forgotten(outside of Berman's daily mention). Then everytime something new comes up we pretend that he is a distraction.
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2/13/2009  10:29 PM
If Marbury really wanted to play, and were sane and reasonable, he would get an agent to negotiate a buy out.

But he doesn't. He is all about his money. I don't know if I can blame him, but he should shut up about wanting to play for another team, and just come out and say he wants to get all his money, and that is his main priority.
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2/14/2009  1:55 AM
I don't think this really hurts the teams image for free agents.

Don't forget we let H20 opt out and we held up a likely gentlemans agreement to keep him amung the highest of highest paid. It hurt the teams cap, Dolan usually does not back away.

Marbury became a real **** for us and its well known.

And given the current environment Marbury's massive expiring might land us a quality player. It has become very valuable.

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2/14/2009  5:21 AM
If we were in November, I would tell Walsh to pay Marbury his $20 million and be done with it and we could have avoided the whole fiasco. Now that we have waited until February, I tell Marbury either take $18 million or sit for the rest of the season.
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2/14/2009  7:48 AM
Sometimes you have to compromise and sometimes you have to give in. This is not one of those times.
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2/14/2009  9:10 AM
Posted by TheGame:

If we were in November, I would tell Walsh to pay Marbury his $20 million and be done with it and we could have avoided the whole fiasco. Now that we have waited until February, I tell Marbury either take $18 million or sit for the rest of the season.

This is pretty much where I'm at with it as well. Early in the year it made sense to settle with him and end it. Now it doesn't matter as it's so late in the season and if both sides are going to continue to bicker over half a million dollars or so then just stop talking to him and send him home until the summer.


Posted by Bippity10:

Blue: I'm with you. Marbs isn't mentioned for weeks. He's completely forgotten(outside of Berman's daily mention). Then everytime something new comes up we pretend that he is a distraction.

I don't think anyone is making a big deal out of it anymore and nobody is saying it's a distraction for the team anymore. Once we passed into mid January it quickly became a non-issue as far as the team was concerned and it became old news as far as the media was concerned. Now that we're about 9 weeks away from the end of yet another losing non-playoff season it's a completely separate issue. What was discussed in October through December was an entirely different situation than how it's been discussed the past few weeks.

The article came up, it's an important meeting, so I posted it. Besides what goes on in that meeting might lead to a parting of the ways. The meeting date is 2 days after the trade deadline ends, which also ends any legit reason to keep him on the roster, and it's one week prior to the date where a cut player can no longer join a team and be eligible for the playoffs.

So it's of interest.
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2/14/2009  10:33 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TheGame:

If we were in November, I would tell Walsh to pay Marbury his $20 million and be done with it and we could have avoided the whole fiasco. Now that we have waited until February, I tell Marbury either take $18 million or sit for the rest of the season.

This is pretty much where I'm at with it as well. Early in the year it made sense to settle with him and end it. Now it doesn't matter as it's so late in the season and if both sides are going to continue to bicker over half a million dollars or so then just stop talking to him and send him home until the summer.


Posted by Bippity10:

Blue: I'm with you. Marbs isn't mentioned for weeks. He's completely forgotten(outside of Berman's daily mention). Then everytime something new comes up we pretend that he is a distraction.

I don't think anyone is making a big deal out of it anymore and nobody is saying it's a distraction for the team anymore. Once we passed into mid January it quickly became a non-issue as far as the team was concerned and it became old news as far as the media was concerned. Now that we're about 9 weeks away from the end of yet another losing non-playoff season it's a completely separate issue. What was discussed in October through December was an entirely different situation than how it's been discussed the past few weeks.

The article came up, it's an important meeting, so I posted it. Besides what goes on in that meeting might lead to a parting of the ways. The meeting date is 2 days after the trade deadline ends, which also ends any legit reason to keep him on the roster, and it's one week prior to the date where a cut player can no longer join a team and be eligible for the playoffs.

So it's of interest.

Cosmic I wasn't even responding to your original post, I was responding to Pharzeone. I hate Dolan and every decision he has made. But I can completely understand why an owner wouldn't want to pay a guy 22 million dollars to play somewhere else, competitor or not
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2/14/2009  10:52 AM
I don't think Marbury is capable of participating in a give and take meeting with his ego. He as been unreasonable in past meetings and has offered only to give up what he would get back as soon as he signed with another team. Marbury is a guy who needs an agent. He is extremely maladjusted and needs someone to represent him who is based in reality. If Marbury doesn't play this year he will be lucky to get anything more than the M.L.E. next year. There are guys who can function fine without an agent in the current salary structure but Marbury is not one of them.
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2/14/2009  11:02 AM
My mistake Bip when you threw in the "we pretend its a distraction" line you left it open for interpretation and a response. Figured I'd take the time to clarify where I stood and now stand on the whole "get rid of him he's a problem" bit since I was once a Buy Out DistractionBury advocate.

Meanwhile as to paying him to stay home at this point it'd be done to just not give into him. It's also a form of punishment because if he joined a team now and looked real good he could get up to a 3 year near-MLE deal from someone. If we keep him until the summer then next year is his trial year at the vet min to see if he's worth a re-sign of which given his being even older by the summer of 2010 he wouldn't get more than a 2-year 5-7M offer even if he worked out well.

So we kinda kick him in the nuts with that one and I think Dolan likes doing that. I think the idea of not wanting to pay him to go play for someone else is actually at the bottom of Dolan's list of reasons to not release him.

As said, it's so late in the year, I don't care what they do anymore, I just wish that after this meeting they say they tried to trade him, could not, and he's free to go wherever he wants when he's free agent in July.....and put it all to bed for good.
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2/14/2009  11:26 AM
Our (Knicks) deadline with Marbury is Feb 17 - the trade deadline. The real deadline for Marbury is March 1. If he isn't bought out/waived by then, he can't play in the playoffs so no team is going to be interested in him.

If Donnie can trade Marbury before Feb 17, fine. But this is not probable. So then the deadline for Marbury to give in and fork up some money is March 1. I don't think Donnie will give in. $3 mil is the price. We only have 2 weeks to go. Then Marbury will be gone one way or the other. And we will have an open roster spot.
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2/14/2009  4:21 PM
Posted by Ira:

Sometimes you have to compromise and sometimes you have to give in. This is not one of those times.

the Knicks have tried to cater to Marbury ever since he got here... they've hired & fired coaches because he couldn't get along w/them, they've traded for & traded away players because he didn't like playing with them, now they've expressed their willingness to back down a few million bucks from their original buyout offer & attempted to meet Steph somewhere in the middle, & yet all Stephon Marbury is willing to do is knock $1.4 million off the money that's due on his contract, even though he'd easily be compensated that amount by any team he would sign with after they gave him his release... who's the one being unreasonable here, the Knicks or Stephon Marbury? you're absolutely right, the Knicks have been bent over the chair enough times by this guy, they need to hold firm now & not let him dictate the terms on this buyout any longer... if he doesn't wanna play ball, let him rot, bottomline.
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by Ira:

Sometimes you have to compromise and sometimes you have to give in. This is not one of those times.

the Knicks have tried to cater to Marbury ever since he got here... they've hired & fired coaches because he couldn't get along w/them, they've traded for & traded away players because he didn't like playing with them, now they've expressed their willingness to back down a few million bucks from their original buyout offer & attempted to meet Steph somewhere in the middle, & yet all Stephon Marbury is willing to do is knock $1.4 million off the money that's due on his contract, even though he'd easily be compensated that amount by any team he would sign with after they gave him his release... who's the one being unreasonable here, the Knicks or Stephon Marbury? you're absolutely right, the Knicks have been bent over the chair enough times by this guy, they need to hold firm now & not let him dictate the terms on this buyout any longer... if he doesn't wanna play ball, let him rot, bottomline.

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2/14/2009  7:59 PM
The knicks loose either way in this, thats the bottom line...they give away 22 mil, 20mill doesnt matter. Steph takes a year off, has fresh legs next season and will still get a contender to sign him next season for 6 to 7 per. Mean while the knicks are baby steps ahead of where they were with him playing, and I don't care what anyone says in this system we win atleast 6 to 7 more games thus far.

If he wins the appeal on his $400.000 fine there really going to look like idiots
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2/14/2009  8:11 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Ira:

Sometimes you have to compromise and sometimes you have to give in. This is not one of those times.

the Knicks have tried to cater to Marbury ever since he got here... they've hired & fired coaches because he couldn't get along w/them, they've traded for & traded away players because he didn't like playing with them, now they've expressed their willingness to back down a few million bucks from their original buyout offer & attempted to meet Steph somewhere in the middle, & yet all Stephon Marbury is willing to do is knock $1.4 million off the money that's due on his contract, even though he'd easily be compensated that amount by any team he would sign with after they gave him his release... who's the one being unreasonable here, the Knicks or Stephon Marbury? you're absolutely right, the Knicks have been bent over the chair enough times by this guy, they need to hold firm now & not let him dictate the terms on this buyout any longer... if he doesn't wanna play ball, let him rot, bottomline.

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2/15/2009  10:27 AM
Yeah it's a lose lose, but for Steph as well. Noone is going to sign a locker room cancer who hasn't played in over a year and who plays no D, me first ball for 6-7 mil. He gets 1, 2 tops.
Posted by knicks1248:

The knicks loose either way in this, thats the bottom line...they give away 22 mil, 20mill doesnt matter. Steph takes a year off, has fresh legs next season and will still get a contender to sign him next season for 6 to 7 per. Mean while the knicks are baby steps ahead of where they were with him playing, and I don't care what anyone says in this system we win atleast 6 to 7 more games thus far.

If he wins the appeal on his $400.000 fine there really going to look like idiots
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2/15/2009  11:16 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Ira:

Sometimes you have to compromise and sometimes you have to give in. This is not one of those times.

the Knicks have tried to cater to Marbury ever since he got here... they've hired & fired coaches because he couldn't get along w/them, they've traded for & traded away players because he didn't like playing with them, now they've expressed their willingness to back down a few million bucks from their original buyout offer & attempted to meet Steph somewhere in the middle, & yet all Stephon Marbury is willing to do is knock $1.4 million off the money that's due on his contract, even though he'd easily be compensated that amount by any team he would sign with after they gave him his release... who's the one being unreasonable here, the Knicks or Stephon Marbury? you're absolutely right, the Knicks have been bent over the chair enough times by this guy, they need to hold firm now & not let him dictate the terms on this buyout any longer... if he doesn't wanna play ball, let him rot, bottomline.

No- on the $1.4 million, if I understand correctly, he wants his $400k that he was fined back before allowing the $1 million buy out to stand.
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