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2/11/2009  7:54 PM
And I think it is the atmosphere (fans - media) that causes this to happen.

They get a great streak going and all kinds of potential. They prove they can win and when they get swept, and it was expected, they cannot recover. They lose to every stinking nook and cranny team in the league until they desperately climb right out of the hole again and get it going again. The way these Knicks are going, I'll be surprised at this point if they can even win 30 games. It's got to be the atmosphere in NY, because it couldn't be anything else.

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2/11/2009  8:05 PM
Posted by 4949:

It's got to be the atmosphere in NY, because it couldn't be anything else.


Not even the roster?

This is a bad team that dumped it's marquee players in order to rebuild. Why should anyone expect consistency? Basketball is a series of runs, and so is a season. Bad teams will end up on the short end of games, and seasons. We are a bad team. But at this point in the game we should be expected to be.
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2/11/2009  8:19 PM
Posted by 4949:

And I think it is the atmosphere (fans - media) that causes this to happen.

i think it's the roster
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2/11/2009  8:24 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by 4949:

It's got to be the atmosphere in NY, because it couldn't be anything else.


Not even the roster?

This is a bad team that dumped it's marquee players in order to rebuild. Why should anyone expect consistency? Basketball is a series of runs, and so is a season. Bad teams will end up on the short end of games, and seasons. We are a bad team. But at this point in the game we should be expected to be.

If you go back about three seasons, when we had those 23, 33, 23, seasons, from the first 23 loss season, I think it's safe to say that at least half the team, and just about all of brass are new people.

With that said, how can we be having the same problems with basically a new team that does the same old mental block thing?

Not to mention that Lee and Nate have improved greatly since that first season.

[Edited by - 4949 on 02-11-2009 8:25 PM]
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2/11/2009  8:33 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by 4949:

It's got to be the atmosphere in NY, because it couldn't be anything else.


Not even the roster?

This is a bad team that dumped it's marquee players in order to rebuild. Why should anyone expect consistency? Basketball is a series of runs, and so is a season. Bad teams will end up on the short end of games, and seasons. We are a bad team. But at this point in the game we should be expected to be.

If you go back about three seasons, when we had those 23, 33, 23, seasons, from the first 23 loss season, I think it's safe to say that at least half the team, and just about all of brass are new people.

With that said, how can we be having the same problems with basically a new team that does the same old mental block thing?

Not to mention that Lee and Nate have improved greatly since that first season.

[Edited by - 4949 on 02-11-2009 8:25 PM]

We added Roberson, Harrington, Duhon, TT and Gallo. None of them were starters. We replaced our marquee starters with somebody's bench.



[Edited by - blueseats on 02-11-2009 8:37 PM]
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2/11/2009  8:38 PM
At best, you have to admit that it's an interesting observation, starters or not starters. I'm not going to wait no four, five years to prove this point.

Besides, no one can deny that NY is media crazy and the fans are as happy when things are good and at the end of life on earth when things aren't so good. We all know this, just look at this board on hot and cold matters.

Not even L.A. or chicago are like this. This intensity and the pressure some people have, in having to live up to the expectations here in NY and a crazy media that won't let you sleep when controversy is at hand.

[Edited by - 4949 on 02-11-2009 8:42 PM]
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2/11/2009  8:45 PM
Posted by 4949:

At best, you have to admit that it's an interesting observation, starters or not starters. I'm not going to wait no four, five years to prove this point.

You don't have to wait a day, we already know Reed and Clyde and Patrick and Oakley didn't require a pretty atmosphere before they'd play their guts out.

A good team will make a good atmosphere.

[Edited by - blueseats on 02-11-2009 8:46 PM]
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2/11/2009  8:49 PM
And that's raises another observation. 'Society doesn't make them like they use to'. I'm not so sure about Patrick or Oak Tree, but Clyde and Reed, I can believe it. After all, which two pulled two championships out of their hats?
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2/11/2009  8:55 PM
What will be interesting is how D' handles the pressure. I am sure that he feels like he has been through alot already but things are just starting. He did not handle criticism well in Phoenix. I don't think he is going to make adjustments to emphasize defense more. Duhon maybe out for awhile so things are going to get easier.
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2/11/2009  9:43 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by 4949:

It's got to be the atmosphere in NY, because it couldn't be anything else.


Not even the roster?

This is a bad team that dumped it's marquee players in order to rebuild. Why should anyone expect consistency? Basketball is a series of runs, and so is a season. Bad teams will end up on the short end of games, and seasons. We are a bad team. But at this point in the game we should be expected to be.
Please define "marquee"?
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2/11/2009  10:08 PM
Posted by Cash:
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Posted by 4949:

It's got to be the atmosphere in NY, because it couldn't be anything else.


Not even the roster?

This is a bad team that dumped it's marquee players in order to rebuild. Why should anyone expect consistency? Basketball is a series of runs, and so is a season. Bad teams will end up on the short end of games, and seasons. We are a bad team. But at this point in the game we should be expected to be.
Please define "marquee"?

The guys with the biggest contracts. The guys once proclaimed as our core and our future. The guys we gave up four first round draft picks to acquire. The guys put on the banner of this site. The guys featured in commercials like "come see Stephon Marbury and Eddy Curry (or Jamal Crawford and Zach Randolph) take on so and so and such and such". The guys most polarizing to fans. The guys now traded, banished or self-rendered useless. Etc.

Need I go on?
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2/11/2009  10:09 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by 4949:

At best, you have to admit that it's an interesting observation, starters or not starters. I'm not going to wait no four, five years to prove this point.

You don't have to wait a day, we already know Reed and Clyde and Patrick and Oakley didn't require a pretty atmosphere before they'd play their guts out.

A good team will make a good atmosphere.

[Edited by - blueseats on 02-11-2009 8:46 PM]

good point. I think a big part of the problem is that this team never had 5 starters on this team sincewe lost Houston, Spree, camby, etc... since then, we have been starting bench players and headcases... Right now our starters are bench players mostly and our potential future starters are just too young and not at the point to elevate a team with these kinds of deficiencies...

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2/11/2009  10:27 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
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Posted by 4949:

It's got to be the atmosphere in NY, because it couldn't be anything else.


Not even the roster?

This is a bad team that dumped it's marquee players in order to rebuild. Why should anyone expect consistency? Basketball is a series of runs, and so is a season. Bad teams will end up on the short end of games, and seasons. We are a bad team. But at this point in the game we should be expected to be.
Please define "marquee"?

The guys with the biggest contracts. The guys once proclaimed as our core and our future. The guys we gave up four first round draft picks to acquire. The guys put on the banner of this site. The guys featured in commercials like "come see Stephon Marbury and Eddy Curry (or Jamal Crawford and Zach Randolph) take on so and so and such and such". The guys most polarizing to fans. The guys now traded, banished or self-rendered useless. Etc.

Need I go on?

How did it even get this far? It's an observation about how a team that is basically altered for the most part, having the same mental problems that the old teams had. How could we be drafting the same kinds of players, unless it has something to do with this towns pressures? Just because Ewing and Oak made it through the pressure, doesn't mean everyone can.
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2/11/2009  10:28 PM
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Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by 4949:

At best, you have to admit that it's an interesting observation, starters or not starters. I'm not going to wait no four, five years to prove this point.

You don't have to wait a day, we already know Reed and Clyde and Patrick and Oakley didn't require a pretty atmosphere before they'd play their guts out.

A good team will make a good atmosphere.

[Edited by - blueseats on 02-11-2009 8:46 PM]

good point. I think a big part of the problem is that this team never had 5 starters on this team sincewe lost Houston, Spree, camby, etc... since then, we have been starting bench players and headcases... Right now our starters are bench players mostly and our potential future starters are just too young and not at the point to elevate a team with these kinds of deficiencies...

It's not like Spree and Houston did anything really important for the Knicks either.
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2/11/2009  11:06 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Cash:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by 4949:

It's got to be the atmosphere in NY, because it couldn't be anything else.


Not even the roster?

This is a bad team that dumped it's marquee players in order to rebuild. Why should anyone expect consistency? Basketball is a series of runs, and so is a season. Bad teams will end up on the short end of games, and seasons. We are a bad team. But at this point in the game we should be expected to be.
Please define "marquee"?

The guys with the biggest contracts. The guys once proclaimed as our core and our future. The guys we gave up four first round draft picks to acquire. The guys put on the banner of this site. The guys featured in commercials like "come see Stephon Marbury and Eddy Curry (or Jamal Crawford and Zach Randolph) take on so and so and such and such". The guys most polarizing to fans. The guys now traded, banished or self-rendered useless. Etc.

Need I go on?

How did it even get this far? It's an observation about how a team that is basically altered for the most part, having the same mental problems that the old teams had. How could we be drafting the same kinds of players, unless it has something to do with this towns pressures? Just because Ewing and Oak made it through the pressure, doesn't mean everyone can.

We added 3 bench players and 2 rookies, why would you expect that to alter the entire tenor of the team? It's a process, it takes time. We've just begun.
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2/11/2009  11:48 PM
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Posted by 4949:
Posted by BlueSeats:
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Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by 4949:

It's got to be the atmosphere in NY, because it couldn't be anything else.


Not even the roster?

This is a bad team that dumped it's marquee players in order to rebuild. Why should anyone expect consistency? Basketball is a series of runs, and so is a season. Bad teams will end up on the short end of games, and seasons. We are a bad team. But at this point in the game we should be expected to be.
Please define "marquee"?

The guys with the biggest contracts. The guys once proclaimed as our core and our future. The guys we gave up four first round draft picks to acquire. The guys put on the banner of this site. The guys featured in commercials like "come see Stephon Marbury and Eddy Curry (or Jamal Crawford and Zach Randolph) take on so and so and such and such". The guys most polarizing to fans. The guys now traded, banished or self-rendered useless. Etc.

Need I go on?

How did it even get this far? It's an observation about how a team that is basically altered for the most part, having the same mental problems that the old teams had. How could we be drafting the same kinds of players, unless it has something to do with this towns pressures? Just because Ewing and Oak made it through the pressure, doesn't mean everyone can.

We added 3 bench players and 2 rookies, why would you expect that to alter the entire tenor of the team? It's a process, it takes time. We've just begun.

I was the one who was preaching that when the season started.

Looks like Knicks can't even handle L.A. Clips so far. A 12 win team giving the Knicks problems also.

How does anyone here explain how the Knicks were 9-7 in January (including a six out of seven win streak at the end of Jan.), get swept by the big three and take a five (probably six) game nose dive, losing streak into February? If that isn't a mental lapse, then I don't know what is!

We all know that they are in the mode 'if only we can win one game, then we can get it going again'. It's a mental block and I still say it's generated by the media and the fan.
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2/11/2009  11:58 PM
Posted by 4949:

Looks like Knicks can't even handle L.A. Clips so far. A 12 win team giving the Knicks problems also.

How does anyone here explain how the Knicks were 9-7 in January (including a six out of seven win streak at the end of Jan.), get swept by the big three and take a five (probably six) game nose dive, losing streak into February? If that isn't a mental lapse, then I don't know what is!

We all know that they are in the mode 'if only we can win one game, then we can get it going again'. It's a mental block and I still say it's generated by the media and the fan.

I don't mean to be harsh here dude, but did you consider thinking about what you are saying before posting?

First, the Knicks are neck-and-neck with LAC without their starting PG and without regular rotation players in Q and TT. Nate ain't a PG.

Second, the Knicks lost to the 3 best teams in the league, followed by a pretty strong POR team that they could have beat and were overwhelmed by GS. Mental lapse? They were beat by 4 better teams and out gunned and out played in the last (without Q, with a hurting Duhon).

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2/11/2009  11:59 PM
Posted by 4949:

[quote]Posted by BlueSeats:


I was the one who was preaching that when the season started.

Looks like Knicks can't even handle L.A. Clips so far. A 12 win team giving the Knicks problems also.

How does anyone here explain how the Knicks were 9-7 in January (including a six out of seven win streak at the end of Jan.), get swept by the big three and take a five (probably six) game nose dive, losing streak into February? If that isn't a mental lapse, then I don't know what is!

We all know that they are in the mode 'if only we can win one game, then we can get it going again'. It's a mental block and I still say it's generated by the media and the fan.

How many legitimate starters do you think we have on this team? Do you think if you take a team of bench guys and stick them in the midwest somewhere they'll be a winning team? It's not about the roster, it's about where they play?
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2/12/2009  12:02 AM
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[quote]Posted by BlueSeats:


I was the one who was preaching that when the season started.

Looks like Knicks can't even handle L.A. Clips so far. A 12 win team giving the Knicks problems also.

How does anyone here explain how the Knicks were 9-7 in January (including a six out of seven win streak at the end of Jan.), get swept by the big three and take a five (probably six) game nose dive, losing streak into February? If that isn't a mental lapse, then I don't know what is!

We all know that they are in the mode 'if only we can win one game, then we can get it going again'. It's a mental block and I still say it's generated by the media and the fan.

How many legitimate starters do you think we have on this team? Do you think if you take a team of bench guys and stick them in the midwest somewhere they'll be a winning team? It's not about the roster, it's about where they play?

Hey, you been pretty cool in trying to discuss it at least, so I will only say that what I am saying is, this team compared to the team three years ago, is basically doing the same thing. Win about six and go on a massive losing streak. That's what I'm saying. I don't care who's on the roster. It's the same thing happening is my only point.
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2/12/2009  12:30 AM
Posted by 4949:

And I think it is the atmosphere (fans - media) that causes this to happen.

They get a great streak going and all kinds of potential. They prove they can win and when they get swept, and it was expected, they cannot recover. They lose to every stinking nook and cranny team in the league until they desperately climb right out of the hole again and get it going again. The way these Knicks are going, I'll be surprised at this point if they can even win 30 games. It's got to be the atmosphere in NY, because it couldn't be anything else.

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