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2/10/2009  1:40 AM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-spknix0210,0,6478535.story
Knicks' Mike D'Antoni fouled up

BY ALAN HAHN | alan.hahn@newsday.com
11:15 PM EST, February 9, 2009

SAN FRANCISCO - Mike D'Antoni came clean after Sunday's buzzer-beating loss in Portland. He admitted to his players on the team charter that on the final play, when Brandon Roy scored on a driving finger roll to give the Trail Blazers a 109-108 victory, he did not know the Knicks had a foul to give.

The Knicks had not yet used their first foul in the final two minutes, which results in a non-shooting situation. The ball was inbounded with 4.3 seconds left; as most teams do, D'Antoni could have instructed Jared Jeffries to grab Roy the second he caught the ball just to kill some precious time. But no such orders were given in the 20-second timeout D'Antoni called before the inbounds play.

Even Trail Blazers coach Nate McMillan was surprised the Knicks didn't use the foul. D'Antoni said: "A position like that, why wouldn't you foul? It makes no sense not to foul."

When asked by reporters after the game about the foul-to-give situation, D'Antoni admittedly was caught off guard. It was then that he realized the mistake.


"When you asked me night, it hit me," he said. "But that's the way it is. That's my responsibility. Probably won't happen again but can't swear to it. I messed up."

With most NBA teams, it is the responsibility of the head trainer to keep track of fouls and inform the head coach, but D'Antoni wouldn't identify who was performing that duty, said he should have been aware of the situation himself and took the entire blame. "I told [the players] that one is my responsibility," he said. "I lost one, they've lost 28."

At practice yesterday here at the downtown Sports Club LA, the Knicks were upset about how some comments a few players made during the 0-3 "Dream Week" at the Garden were being portrayed in the national media.

On Sunday's Cavaliers-Lakers telecast on ABC, former Knicks coach Jeff Van Gundy said the positive talk after losing should be a concern for management. He said of David Lee's infamous "best 0-3 week I ever had" line, "He should know; he's had plenty of them."

D'Antoni was upset about that observation. "Jeff Van Gundy's a great coach and I like Jeff, so I don't want to get into it, but I thought he misinterpreted what David said," D'Antoni said. "Now you can interpret it any way, that he doesn't care or he's happy to lose. But I don't believe that for a second. I don't think you have a guy who has 37 double-doubles competing every night and playing hard as he can and say he doesn't care."

Lee explained that his comments -- such as Al Harrington's use of the expression "feel-good loss" in reference to the Cleveland game -- were intended to maintain a positive outlook in the media.

"I was disappointed after that 0-3 week, but no offense to you guys, but continuing any bit of negativity doesn't help anything with our New York media," Lee said. "I wanted to stay positive. I always try to stay positive."

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-10-2009 02:15 AM]
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coaches make mistakes, time to move on...I figured you would be the first to post this... really kind of lame....

I wasn't going to respond to this post, probably shouldn't have, and I wouldn't be suprised if anyone else even bothered....
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2/10/2009  2:14 AM
Posted by tkf:

coaches make mistakes, time to move on...I figured you would be the first to post this... really kind of lame....

I wasn't going to respond to this post, probably shouldn't have, and I wouldn't be suprised if anyone else even bothered....


I barely even commented on the coaching blunder that game. I made one statement after the game in regards to his responsibility on the last play. I gave more credit to Roy making the play, because even with the decision not to foul the team had every chance to stop him.

What I don't like is his punk way of responding and trying to be coy about things. No need to get pissy in the Post-Game only to follow up the next day and say "Ooops My Bad You Guys Were Right I Messed Up"...."Hey Berman You got Mustard and Ketchup on your Stretched Out Missing Buttons Down, Tuck The Belly and Chest Hairs In Why Don't You."

That's Pringles for you gotta get digs back at the media directly or do jokes even at the expense of his team, to hide his incompetency. I thought we were past these kind of mind games with the media?

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-10-2009 02:19 AM]
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2/10/2009  2:22 AM
Hmm... Everyone remembers Webber for calling a timeout when Michigan didn't have any left but few remember the guy on the sideline yelling at him to call a timeout. When Webber brought this up, he was greeted with wasn't still your responsiblity to know how many timeouts your team had left.

Oh well, kind of didn't explain why D'Antoni went into a mantra about not wanting to foul because it was a gamble reasoning in his post game and left Jeffries out to dry about the decision to foul saying he left the decision up to him. Replace MDA with Thomas and this would have been a bigger story. Both kinda shaddy actions but people like D'Antoni.

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2/10/2009  2:22 AM
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by tkf:

coaches make mistakes, time to move on...I figured you would be the first to post this... really kind of lame....

I wasn't going to respond to this post, probably shouldn't have, and I wouldn't be suprised if anyone else even bothered....


I barely even commented on the coaching blunder that game. I made one statement after the game in regards to his responsibility on the last play. I gave more credit to Roy making the play, because even with the decision not to foul the team had every chance to stop him.

What I don't like is his punk way of responding and trying to be coy about things. No need to get pissy in the Post-Game only to follow up the next day and say "Ooops My Bad You Guys Were Right I Messed Up"...."Hey Berman You got Mustard and Ketchup on your Stretched Out Missing Buttons Down, Tuck The Belly and Chest Hairs In Why Don't You."

That's Pringles for you gotta get digs back at the media directly or do jokes even at the expense of his team, to hide his incompetency. I thought we were past these kind of mind games with the media?

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-10-2009 02:19 AM]

I agree with Gall, not sure if Mike D was misquoted tho, but that statement was a tad bit uncalled for. In Mike D's defense i think he's handled everything thus far pretty professionally so i'm willing to chalk this statement off.



[Edited by - NineMike2Whiskey on 02-10-2009 02:23 AM]
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2/10/2009  2:30 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Hmm... Everyone remembers Webber for calling a timeout when Michigan didn't have any left but few remember the guy on the sideline yelling at him to call a timeout. When Webber brought this up, he was greeted with wasn't still your responsiblity to know how many timeouts your team had left.

Oh well, kind of didn't explain why D'Antoni went into a mantra about not wanting to foul because it was a gamble reasoning in his post game and left Jeffries out to dry about the decision to foul saying he left the decision up to him. Replace MDA with Thomas and this would have been a bigger story. Both kinda shaddy actions but people like D'Antoni.


No agenda, just the truth. The only agenda is with those who want to look the other way.

Remember he tried to throw Chandler under the Bus last yr when we played Cleveland crapping on his defense on Lebron? Everyone got pissed at him. Then he went on to explain his comments later.
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2/10/2009  2:38 AM
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Hmm... Everyone remembers Webber for calling a timeout when Michigan didn't have any left but few remember the guy on the sideline yelling at him to call a timeout. When Webber brought this up, he was greeted with wasn't still your responsiblity to know how many timeouts your team had left.

Oh well, kind of didn't explain why D'Antoni went into a mantra about not wanting to foul because it was a gamble reasoning in his post game and left Jeffries out to dry about the decision to foul saying he left the decision up to him. Replace MDA with Thomas and this would have been a bigger story. Both kinda shaddy actions but people like D'Antoni.


No agenda, just the truth. The only agenda is with those who want to look the other way.

Remember he tried to throw Chandler under the Bus last yr when we played Cleveland crapping on his defense on Lebron? Everyone got pissed at him. Then he went on to explain his comments later.

I said when he was hired that D'Antoni has Isiah like tendencies and diva moments. I was greeted with the ususal, you don't know what you're talking about responses much like Sunday. Now you will get the justifications and how we would have never been in that situation if Harrington would have made the shot instead of pondering why the coaching staff weren't aware with how many fouls they had. It's the low IQ players fault.
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2/10/2009  2:43 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Hmm... Everyone remembers Webber for calling a timeout when Michigan didn't have any left but few remember the guy on the sideline yelling at him to call a timeout. When Webber brought this up, he was greeted with wasn't still your responsiblity to know how many timeouts your team had left.

Oh well, kind of didn't explain why D'Antoni went into a mantra about not wanting to foul because it was a gamble reasoning in his post game and left Jeffries out to dry about the decision to foul saying he left the decision up to him. Replace MDA with Thomas and this would have been a bigger story. Both kinda shaddy actions but people like D'Antoni.


No agenda, just the truth. The only agenda is with those who want to look the other way.

Remember he tried to throw Chandler under the Bus last yr when we played Cleveland crapping on his defense on Lebron? Everyone got pissed at him. Then he went on to explain his comments later.

I said when he was hired that D'Antoni has Isiah like tendencies and diva moments. I was greeted with the ususal, you don't know what you're talking about responses much like Sunday. Now you will get the justifications and how we would have never been in that situation if Harrington would have made the shot instead of pondering why the coaching staff weren't aware with how many fouls they had. It's the low IQ players fault.

You shoot bullets at this guy make sure you duck from the crazy ricochet action from his greeted ones.
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2/10/2009  2:47 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Hmm... Everyone remembers Webber for calling a timeout when Michigan didn't have any left but few remember the guy on the sideline yelling at him to call a timeout. When Webber brought this up, he was greeted with wasn't still your responsiblity to know how many timeouts your team had left.

Oh well, kind of didn't explain why D'Antoni went into a mantra about not wanting to foul because it was a gamble reasoning in his post game and left Jeffries out to dry about the decision to foul saying he left the decision up to him. Replace MDA with Thomas and this would have been a bigger story. Both kinda shaddy actions but people like D'Antoni.

No agenda, just the truth. The only agenda is with those who want to look the other way.


look the other way? dude get over it, guy admitted to making a mistake, move on, he won't be the first nor the last... there is no way to look at it other than that.. what do you want him to do, have his nails pulled out one at a time.. the only reason this would have been a bigger story if it were Isiah is because Isiah was already hated by everyone in NY after years of turmoil.. had this been isiah coaching year 1. people would have moved on already.... for christ sakes....



[Edited by - tkf on 10-02-2009 02:47 AM]
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Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Hmm... Everyone remembers Webber for calling a timeout when Michigan didn't have any left but few remember the guy on the sideline yelling at him to call a timeout. When Webber brought this up, he was greeted with wasn't still your responsiblity to know how many timeouts your team had left.

Oh well, kind of didn't explain why D'Antoni went into a mantra about not wanting to foul because it was a gamble reasoning in his post game and left Jeffries out to dry about the decision to foul saying he left the decision up to him. Replace MDA with Thomas and this would have been a bigger story. Both kinda shaddy actions but people like D'Antoni.


No agenda, just the truth. The only agenda is with those who want to look the other way.

Remember he tried to throw Chandler under the Bus last yr when we played Cleveland crapping on his defense on Lebron? Everyone got pissed at him. Then he went on to explain his comments later.

I said when he was hired that D'Antoni has Isiah like tendencies and diva moments. I was greeted with the ususal, you don't know what you're talking about responses much like Sunday. Now you will get the justifications and how we would have never been in that situation if Harrington would have made the shot instead of pondering why the coaching staff weren't aware with how many fouls they had. It's the low IQ players fault.

You shoot bullets at this guy make sure you duck from the crazy ricochet action from his greeted ones.


LOL..... why waste my time, obviously, you have too much of it on your hands.. I just know what threads to avoid

peace...
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2/10/2009  3:07 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Hmm... Everyone remembers Webber for calling a timeout when Michigan didn't have any left but few remember the guy on the sideline yelling at him to call a timeout. When Webber brought this up, he was greeted with wasn't still your responsiblity to know how many timeouts your team had left.

Oh well, kind of didn't explain why D'Antoni went into a mantra about not wanting to foul because it was a gamble reasoning in his post game and left Jeffries out to dry about the decision to foul saying he left the decision up to him. Replace MDA with Thomas and this would have been a bigger story. Both kinda shaddy actions but people like D'Antoni.

No agenda, just the truth. The only agenda is with those who want to look the other way.


look the other way? dude get over it, guy admitted to making a mistake, move on, he won't be the first nor the last... there is no way to look at it other than that.. what do you want him to do, have his nails pulled out one at a time.. the only reason this would have been a bigger story if it were Isiah is because Isiah was already hated by everyone in NY after years of turmoil.. had this been isiah coaching year 1. people would have moved on already.... for christ sakes....



[Edited by - tkf on 10-02-2009 02:47 AM]

First, please calm down. I am not insulting your kids am I? Take it easy, people have differing opinions from yours (which I believe you are still allowed to do), so if they don't decide to just "get over it" that's their choice. It's that damn Bill of Rights thing.

You're not saying anything that I didn't already say. My thoughts are not of the mistake but the fact that he left his player out to dry on Sunday instead acknowledging it at the moment that he had a foul to give when the reporter asked him. He had a feel good moment the following day. Who knows maybe he had a private conversation with Jeffries about the matter and came clean after. I already noted that if it was Thomas it would have been worse for similar actions after the fact. Also the only reason why it is a deal with me was because I had posters blasting me for suggesting that D'Antoni was at fault on Sunday. He doesn't walk on water and I realize that he will make mistakes but criticizing other posters for recognizing those mistakes seems to be someone agenda.

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2/10/2009  8:18 AM
This why you need a 7 footer on the roster. Even if he doesn't play a lot--we need a guy who we can play from time to time who can help clog the lane and throw his body around if nothing else. If we had a 7 footer with long arms and he guarded the rim two nights ago--we win. For older Knick fans--how many times did MJ get to the basket at the end of the game--rarely if ever against the Knicks. he was forced to pull up[unfortunately he made a lot of the} but still I would rather have someone taking jumpshot than a layup!
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2/10/2009  9:23 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

This why you need a 7 footer on the roster. Even if he doesn't play a lot--we need a guy who we can play from time to time who can help clog the lane and throw his body around if nothing else. If we had a 7 footer with long arms and he guarded the rim two nights ago--we win. For older Knick fans--how many times did MJ get to the basket at the end of the game--rarely if ever against the Knicks. he was forced to pull up[unfortunately he made a lot of the} but still I would rather have someone taking jumpshot than a layup!

Yes- but we basically had Jefferies playing Roy. And if JJ2 is our best perimeter defender, we are in trouble.

Actually, we should be giving MDA grief for not setting up the defense better. JJ2 has been great because of his ability to switch- but with the few seconds left on the clock, I don't think a pick and roll was an option.

Still- either one of the assistants screwed up, or MDA heard and didn't listen to the word about a foul to give.

Its ok if next time this group gets it right.
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2/10/2009  9:29 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

This why you need a 7 footer on the roster. Even if he doesn't play a lot--we need a guy who we can play from time to time who can help clog the lane and throw his body around if nothing else. If we had a 7 footer with long arms and he guarded the rim two nights ago--we win. For older Knick fans--how many times did MJ get to the basket at the end of the game--rarely if ever against the Knicks. he was forced to pull up[unfortunately he made a lot of the} but still I would rather have someone taking jumpshot than a layup!

A big man who can block shots is a priority, obviously, but Just having a helping D with someone willing to take a charge would have been nice. Roy had gone to the basket a number of times before that final shot. I just don't think you can accept a guy knifing through your interior D that easily. By the way, was Chandler, our best shot blocker and a solid D player in on that final play? Can't remember.


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2/10/2009  9:33 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

This why you need a 7 footer on the roster. Even if he doesn't play a lot--we need a guy who we can play from time to time who can help clog the lane and throw his body around if nothing else. If we had a 7 footer with long arms and he guarded the rim two nights ago--we win. For older Knick fans--how many times did MJ get to the basket at the end of the game--rarely if ever against the Knicks. he was forced to pull up[unfortunately he made a lot of the} but still I would rather have someone taking jumpshot than a layup!

Unfortunately we lost our 7 footers Eddy and Jerome... They was good for this... were they?
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[Edited by - arkrud on 02-10-2009 09:45 AM]
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2/10/2009  10:10 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Hmm... Everyone remembers Webber for calling a timeout when Michigan didn't have any left but few remember the guy on the sideline yelling at him to call a timeout. When Webber brought this up, he was greeted with wasn't still your responsiblity to know how many timeouts your team had left.

Oh well, kind of didn't explain why D'Antoni went into a mantra about not wanting to foul because it was a gamble reasoning in his post game and left Jeffries out to dry about the decision to foul saying he left the decision up to him. Replace MDA with Thomas and this would have been a bigger story. Both kinda shaddy actions but people like D'Antoni.


No agenda, just the truth. The only agenda is with those who want to look the other way.

Remember he tried to throw Chandler under the Bus last yr when we played Cleveland crapping on his defense on Lebron? Everyone got pissed at him. Then he went on to explain his comments later.

I said when he was hired that D'Antoni has Isiah like tendencies and diva moments. I was greeted with the ususal, you don't know what you're talking about responses much like Sunday. Now you will get the justifications and how we would have never been in that situation if Harrington would have made the shot instead of pondering why the coaching staff weren't aware with how many fouls they had. It's the low IQ players fault.

You shoot bullets at this guy make sure you duck from the crazy ricochet action from his greeted ones.


LOL..... why waste my time, obviously, you have too much of it on your hands.. I just know what threads to avoid

peace...


I Guarantee if this was Mark Jackson, he would have gotten a pass....but since its MDA the same people who didn't want him here in the first place are going to nit-pick at everything he does and make mountains out of mole holes.
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2/10/2009  10:26 AM
I'd want to know which one of the assistant coaches is supposed to be keeping track of the foul situation. Don't we have more coaches than any other team?

If this is the "wheels starting to come off" then there's no hope for this franchise.

Come on now. There is no metric by which you can say that this coach has done a bad job.

For god's sake, we're starting Duhon, Jeffries, Q-Rich, a center who was once our small forward of the future and Nellie's cast off, Al Jr.

You can tell that we have a strategy on offense that gives the defense problems. Every game there are points where they can't figure out the pick and roll, and there are more wrinkles to it every game.

The NY Press, the fans, anyone who wants to take this to the extreme and say, "the wheels are starting to come off," should go watch some other team.
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2/10/2009  10:40 AM

The wheels fell off last year.

We inflated them and tighted them up, but then we got some used wheels with retread tires on them. We are using some new fresh wheels that are unproven and they are starting to work pretty good. They bolts are not tighted yet so somtimes they wobble.
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2/10/2009  10:56 AM
Off with his head!!

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Hey, if we can't win, at least we can fire another coach for being less than perfect.

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