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2/6/2009  9:04 AM
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Really there are two athletic SG prospects in this draft below 5 that are worthy of top 15 picks Williams and Gerald Henderson. I favor Williams because of his defense and rebounding. He can match other NBA 2 guards quite well on defense with his great size 6-6 225. Other than getting a top 5 pick my hope for the Knicks is we can get both Patrick Patterson and Williams

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2/6/2009  9:25 AM
i disagree, u should include Demar Derozan on that list ahead of both those guys... kid's putting up 13 & 5 at over 50% shooting as a freshman at USC w/all the expectations & hype that have been placed on his shoulders... at 6'7" & 200 lbs w/that type of freakishly explosive athletic ability i think he's got all the makings of a star at the NBA level.
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2/6/2009  9:27 AM
Terrence doesn't have the stellar 3 point shooting that we desperately need out of a 2 guard. In fact, he may play out more as a SF...and we have a huge glut at SF.

We need someone who can just stroke the 3. Right now only Nate and Gallinari can do that, and neither of them are the starting shooting guard.
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2/6/2009  9:30 AM
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2/6/2009  9:34 AM
Posted by TMS:

i disagree, u should include Demar Derozan on that list ahead of both those guys... kid's putting up 13 & 5 at over 50% shooting as a freshman at USC w/all the expectations & hype that have been placed on his shoulders... at 6'7" & 200 lbs w/that type of freakishly explosive athletic ability i think he's got all the makings of a star at the NBA level.

What's scares me aout him is his attitude but, yeah, he's the next guy on the SG list
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2/6/2009  9:36 AM
A list of decently sized shooting guards with good 3pt percentages. If anyone has any thoughts on the following guys, let me know:

Mike Rose
Eastern Kentucky
6'4" 195
20.7ppg, 48.1%3pt

Alan Voskuil
Texas Tech
6'3" 180
13.9ppg, 45.1%3pt

Jerel McNeal
Marquette
6'3" 200
20.0ppg, 47.5%3pt

Ravern Johnson
Miss St
6'7" 175
13.0ppg 49.2%3pt

Rihards Kuksiks
Arizona St
6'6" 205
10.5ppg, 46.7%


Anyone have any insight on their pro prospects?
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2/6/2009  9:36 AM
Posted by JamaicanJetFan:

Terrence doesn't have the stellar 3 point shooting that we desperately need out of a 2 guard. In fact, he may play out more as a SF...and we have a huge glut at SF.

We need someone who can just stroke the 3. Right now only Nate and Gallinari can do that, and neither of them are the starting shooting guard.

His shooting is getting better every day. If you look at how the Knicks play--the guy is a near perfect fit. Hes a willing passer in a passing system. He would become the best athlete we have. He's a great rebounder. He has NBA 1st team type defensive skills. He has a great NBA body. He's battle tested and ready to step in and play now. Just watching how we got EMBARRASSED by two wing players kind of irks me--we need a guy who can check that. Really this guy has a uniqueness that separates him from every shooting guard
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2/6/2009  9:38 AM
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i disagree, u should include Demar Derozan on that list ahead of both those guys... kid's putting up 13 & 5 at over 50% shooting as a freshman at USC w/all the expectations & hype that have been placed on his shoulders... at 6'7" & 200 lbs w/that type of freakishly explosive athletic ability i think he's got all the makings of a star at the NBA level.

What's scares me aout him is his attitude but, yeah, he's the next guy on the SG list

what about his attitude don't u like? just curious.

maybe u just gotta get that kid away from all the agents, hanger ons & the entourage w/Lil Romeo & all that other nonsense & just let him focus on his game... but i guess that's a fact of life growing up as a high profile NBA prospect.
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2/6/2009  9:39 AM
Posted by JamaicanJetFan:

A list of decently sized shooting guards with good 3pt percentages. If anyone has any thoughts on the following guys, let me know:

Mike Rose
Eastern Kentucky
6'4" 195
20.7ppg, 48.1%3pt

Alan Voskuil
Texas Tech
6'3" 180
13.9ppg, 45.1%3pt

Jerel McNeal
Marquette
6'3" 200
20.0ppg, 47.5%3pt

Ravern Johnson
Miss St
6'7" 175
13.0ppg 49.2%3pt

Rihards Kuksiks
Arizona St
6'6" 205
10.5ppg, 46.7%


Anyone have any insight on their pro prospects?

I like Mcneal as a late first early second round pick. He doesnt have the size for true NBA 2G but if we get rid of Nate he's a great 6th man type prospect who can also play some PG. He's also a very good 3 point shooter and does everything else well.
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2/6/2009  9:43 AM
Posted by TMS:

i disagree, u should include Demar Derozan on that list ahead of both those guys... kid's putting up 13 & 5 at over 50% shooting as a freshman at USC w/all the expectations & hype that have been placed on his shoulders... at 6'7" & 200 lbs w/that type of freakishly explosive athletic ability i think he's got all the makings of a star at the NBA level.

If he come s out he would be in there BUT he hasnt shown he can shoot past 12 feet. He's on the skinny side. I think it would be a BIG risk for an NBA GM to take a guy for the shooting guard position who has only relied on his athletic ability and shown very other little skill especially shooting the ball! He still has a lot to prove.
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2/6/2009  9:48 AM
Posted by TMS:
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i disagree, u should include Demar Derozan on that list ahead of both those guys... kid's putting up 13 & 5 at over 50% shooting as a freshman at USC w/all the expectations & hype that have been placed on his shoulders... at 6'7" & 200 lbs w/that type of freakishly explosive athletic ability i think he's got all the makings of a star at the NBA level.

What's scares me aout him is his attitude but, yeah, he's the next guy on the SG list

what about his attitude don't u like? just curious.

maybe u just gotta get that kid away from all the agents, hanger ons & the entourage w/Lil Romeo & all that other nonsense & just let him focus on his game... but i guess that's a fact of life growing up as a high profile NBA prospect.

I've heard he's one of those guys that's in love with his ability to the point it past vain... and, as a result, he doesn't have the best work ethic. But he's not good enough (I don't think) for his ability to hide his lack of fire/motivation.

Granted it's all hearsay, but those personality traits to me are redflags in the Eddy Curry/jamal Crawford/Tim Thomas variety
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2/6/2009  9:49 AM
I think the Knicks are gonna need a vet @ 2g. Can't have an untested, rookie new to the league @ the 2....knicks need a sure thing. 2010 free agency. Nobody wants to come to a team and have to lead a munch of green mofos.
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2/6/2009  9:56 AM
If teams view Rubio as more of a 2-3 year project...and he slips a few notches, do you take him? He might still be too green for the courting period of stud FAs in 2010...but I still think its a move you have to make.
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2/6/2009  9:56 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

I think the Knicks are gonna need a vet @ 2g. Can't have an untested, rookie new to the league @ the 2....knicks need a sure thing. 2010 free agency. Nobody wants to come to a team and have to lead a munch of green mofos.

Were going to have as many as 4 open roster spots. We need salary restricted players. This is a REALY REALY good draft to address guard problems we have as in back up point guard and shooting G.
We could really improve the team long term in this draft. Were not going to get a franchise type player--but we cans hore up our WEAK guard spots and maybe even pull in a guy who can help out David Lee. A lot of good seniors in this draft.
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2/6/2009  9:58 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:

i disagree, u should include Demar Derozan on that list ahead of both those guys... kid's putting up 13 & 5 at over 50% shooting as a freshman at USC w/all the expectations & hype that have been placed on his shoulders... at 6'7" & 200 lbs w/that type of freakishly explosive athletic ability i think he's got all the makings of a star at the NBA level.

If he come s out he would be in there BUT he hasnt shown he can shoot past 12 feet. He's on the skinny side. I think it would be a BIG risk for an NBA GM to take a guy for the shooting guard position who has only relied on his athletic ability and shown very other little skill especially shooting the ball! He still has a lot to prove.

maybe he's just another Gerald Green who struggles to find his game at the NBA level because he can't simply rely on his athleticism to get him by anymore, but i'd still take the chance especially if u can nab an extra pick in the draft by trading someone like Nate... there's no denying this kid's upside & potential IMO.
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2/6/2009  10:11 AM
Also, what about Gerald Henderson-- he seems to have a good outside jumper, and he seems to be a pesky defender.
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2/6/2009  10:36 AM
I like Eric maynor, and Earl Clark in this draft. Briggs I think if Louisville had a shooter they would win it all
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2/6/2009  11:22 AM
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2/6/2009  11:25 AM
Briggs: I'm with you, I love Terrence. I have never seen a 2guard physically dominate Jerome Dyson, but he surely did. I definitely would have a concern about the jumper. To me he's a definite contributor at the NBA level. His athleticism and willing defense will keep him in the league for a while, but he will really need to improve the J
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2/6/2009  1:00 PM
T. Williams is a stellar athlete, no question about it, but his lack of a true 2-guard's jumpshot concerns me a little. That's why he's talked about in the 2nd round and not with the upper echelon players. But you're right, seen him many times and he does bring a lot to the table - rebounding, defense, he'll get the crowd going with some amazing athletic dunks... As far as stopping a Kobe or a LeBron, well, not sure anyone can do that, this guy included. We basically have a similar player already here in Wilson Chandler no? Chandler's quite the athlete himself, is even bigger than T-Will (by about 2 inches), is probably as good an outside shooter maybe even better (and that's not saying too much - Chandler's jumper needs a ton of work) and is a capable rebounder and defender himself (Kobe went wild but Chandler had a great block on that Kobe layup attempt late in the 1st quarter). Terrance Williams and Wilson Chandler - same players? I think it's close... Not a bad call though. He could help, esp. if we ever wound up moving Chandler...

If we continue hovering around 13-15 with the pick, I do like the idea of trading it for multiple lower picks makes some sense esp. if we can't trade up (my 1st choice). I agree that there's a lot of nice NBA talent lower down in this draft. I'd be looking to fill holes by grabbing players we don't already have or grabbing cost effective replacements - guard depth (PG and at the 2 -- Duhon and Nate are nice but tell me adding two lower picks and turning that into an AJ Price and a Jack McClinton wouldn't give us the same thing moving forward and save us about $14 million a year in the process), a SG with good size that can really shoot the ball, acquire a center that can contribute somehow, grab another well-rounded athletic big at the 4/5 who can defend the interior... In addition to the draft, Marcus Williams, Morris Almond and Solomon Jones are a few players that might become available that I'd be interested in adding for cheap money next year.
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