23 days

Don't screw the pooch Walshie baby

Posted by LivingLegend:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Don't screw the pooch Walshie baby

Don't worry Walshy baby has been around the block and back and he won't be screwing the pooch.

He'll either make a safe trade to net us a big 2-guard or a back-up point or he'll make a trade to dump a contract.

I don't anticipate him dealing Lee or Nate any longer -- I think he's content to play this thing out unless we totally drop dead in the next 23 days and the playoffs are out of reach.

Donnie is the MAN - have faith.

He's got to deal Lee and Nate unless he can ship Curry or Jeffries out. Please see the "Stop the 2010 Insanity!" thread.

If he doesn't deal them now, then you can only trade them to teams with expirings and picks to trade in a sign&trade situation...AND we can only trade for 2010 picks or picks further out or we'll eff up the salary cap for 2010.

Are there fantasy trades allowed in this thread? Most of the rumors we'll be hearing will be some beat writer's fantasies anyway. Mine is:

Marbury, Jeffries, Roberson for Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas, Mikki Moore, and Douby

Sacramento gets $20MM+ in cap room and only lose one player who's playing any significant minutes. The Knicks get a starting center who's a perfect fit for D'Antoni's system, get out of Jeffries' (and Marbury's) contract, and get a guard on a rookie contract from New York who Sacramento isn't playing anyway.

You waive Mobley to open the roster spot needed. Donnie is obviously trying to use Marbury's contract for something useful, and it's probably best to use it to free yourself from Jeffries or Curry. Curry's untradeable at this point, and we can only hope that he'll be back next year to rehabilitate his trade value prior to the 2010 trade deadline.

This is the most going to be the most important decision making period since the Curry trade for the Knicks franchise.

Lee and Nate are arguably our best players. After trading away our two top scorers early in the season, will we trade away our these two before the deadline?

Up until the last few games, you almost had to think we would have no other choice but to trade them.

Now... now Lee is performing on a level where you wonder if we sign a max player, its a valid question to ask, can we get better production from a Joe Johnson type player.

The draft this year also comes into play. Keeping Lee and Nate is going to prolong our winning and get us to around 35-40 wins and will get us a pick in the #16 range.

If we trade Lee and Nate and get junk expiring deals in return... maybe we end up picking 8th or 9th...

Maybe Isiah's still pulling strings in the background and we'll be ok picking late

Oh, and the last post was a Jesus reference

BRIGGS, I'm with you in getting some value using Malik's expiring and/or Nate. In fact, I don't see Nate on this team next year (too small, and too emotional, not heady enough) and would love to get a salary controlled player for him. Further, I think your proposed trade is good value for each team involved.

However, this trade would leave us with no backup guard for Duhon, and I similarly believe the Knicks are trying to get into the playoffs this year. It couldn't happen by itself. We'd need to pick up a guard elsewhere.

JohnWallace: One of our wonderful beat writers (Berman maybe?) indicated that Walsh has Isiah on a major college scouting mission as we speak.

[Edited by - 30andoverclub on 02-01-2009 3:10 PM]

Posted by 30andOverClub:

BRIGGS, I'm with you in getting some value using Malik's expiring and/or Nate. In fact, I don't see Nate on this team next year (too small, and too emotional, not heady enough) and would love to get a salary controlled player for him. Further, I think your proposed trade is good value for each team involved.

However, this trade would leave us with no backup guard for Duhon, and I similarly believe the Knicks are trying to get into the playoffs this year. It couldn't happen by itself. We'd need to pick up a guard elsewhere.

JohnWallace: One of our wonderful beat writers (Berman maybe?) indicated that Walsh has Isiah on a major college scouting mission as we speak.

[Edited by - 30andoverclub on 02-01-2009 3:10 PM]

I would think that there is a fairly large supply of back up PGs we could get easily snag

I don't want to value giving away nate for nothing over 3-4 playoff games. I think we can get there with or without Nate--especially if we added a C who is better than Jefferies. We invested 4 years into Nate and he has good value around the league---I don't think the Knicks can be in the business of just letting good value walk away for nothing.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by 30andOverClub:

BRIGGS, I'm with you in getting some value using Malik's expiring and/or Nate. In fact, I don't see Nate on this team next year (too small, and too emotional, not heady enough) and would love to get a salary controlled player for him. Further, I think your proposed trade is good value for each team involved.

However, this trade would leave us with no backup guard for Duhon, and I similarly believe the Knicks are trying to get into the playoffs this year. It couldn't happen by itself. We'd need to pick up a guard elsewhere.

JohnWallace: One of our wonderful beat writers (Berman maybe?) indicated that Walsh has Isiah on a major college scouting mission as we speak.

[Edited by - 30andoverclub on 02-01-2009 3:10 PM]

I would think that there is a fairly large supply of back up PGs we could get easily snag

I don't want to value giving away nate for nothing over 3-4 playoff games. I think we can get there with or without Nate--especially if we added a C who is better than Jefferies. We invested 4 years into Nate and he has good value around the league---I don't think the Knicks can be in the business of just letting good value walk away for nothing.

which direction is the wind blowing today dude? we had this same discussion last week & i told u that i thought Nate was replaceable w/1 of the G's available in the draft like Stephen Curry, Jeff Teague or Patty Mills & that Donnie should probably look to trade him at the deadline for an extra pick if he could, & u told me Nate was an impact player that we needed to hold onto unless we got blown away w/an offer... what are u expecting to get back for a guy like Nate in a trade other than a mid-late 1st round pick? u ain't getting Utah to agree to that proposal u keep posting for Koufos, our 2010 pick back & Matt Harpring, Nate doesn't hold that much value around the league.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-02-2009 6:44 PM]

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by 30andOverClub:

BRIGGS, I'm with you in getting some value using Malik's expiring and/or Nate. In fact, I don't see Nate on this team next year (too small, and too emotional, not heady enough) and would love to get a salary controlled player for him. Further, I think your proposed trade is good value for each team involved.

However, this trade would leave us with no backup guard for Duhon, and I similarly believe the Knicks are trying to get into the playoffs this year. It couldn't happen by itself. We'd need to pick up a guard elsewhere.

JohnWallace: One of our wonderful beat writers (Berman maybe?) indicated that Walsh has Isiah on a major college scouting mission as we speak.

[Edited by - 30andoverclub on 02-01-2009 3:10 PM]

30: That's comforting actually - we're going to end up drafting right in Isiah's wheelhouse; that 14-17th pick range. I wonder if he was at that UConn - Louisville game tonight?

Joe Dumars was there. I didnt see IT--he probably is under the radar with televised games. Uconn plays like the Detroit bad boys---they just physically stop you beat you up and take good shots from a multitude of players.

I would drop Lee and Nate right now. I don't think the Knicks can fool around with the 2010 situation. There is no guarantee that Jefferies and Curry can be moved especially Curry if he never gets on the court. If the Knicks are smart they should be willing to sacrifice Lee and Nate to make sure a superstar is on the Knicks.