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cooch2584
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1/29/2009  10:05 AM
All I was asking for is that this team is exciting and gives me a reason to watch. After all the crappy seasons I get the feeling like they can win even game this season. They are gelling, knowing who wants the ball where on the court, etc..... I am surprised at Duhon as our point, I didnt think he had it in him,given his past history.We will mature with playing time and any fan that doesnt want this team to make the playoffs isnt a fan!! Its the experience they need and the antisapation(sp) of what it will sound like in the Garden if they win playoff games. The Garden sounds great again because us fans can see that they are playing hard and learning every game.
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1/29/2009  10:48 AM
the team is definitely a lot more fun to watch & MDA deserves massive kudos for the job he's done w/this skeleton roster so far... i think Walsh's job is far from done this season tho... we'll see what happens at the trade deadline.
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1/29/2009  2:03 PM
and who would of thought we'd be talking about MDA's newfound aura as defensive gimmick coach of the year? Jarhead Jeffries guarding PG's! He's given the guy a new lease on life.
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1/29/2009  2:15 PM
I think the players should get a lot of the credit also. MDA get the credit for putting the right guys out there the players get the credit for competing and winning some games
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1/29/2009  2:34 PM
^Marbury gets credit for staying the fukc away
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1/29/2009  9:01 PM
Posted by King1:

I think the players should get a lot of the credit also. MDA get the credit for putting the right guys out there the players get the credit for competing and winning some games

i agree, guys have clearly stepped up their games this year... Duhon, Lee & Nate have all helped to minimize the impact of losing our 3 leading scorers... they have all done a great job this season.
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1/30/2009  9:38 AM
Posted by martin:

^Marbury gets credit for staying the fukc away

Marbury, Curry, Zach, and Crawford.

Isiah's four franchise cornerstones are all gone and look what happens. A team who plays together, mostly within the offensive game plan, and has fun out there.

What a surprise...
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1/30/2009  10:06 AM
Subtract crawford and good things happen. It was very simple
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1/30/2009  10:30 AM
Posted by MS:

Subtract crawford and good things happen. It was very simple

that's weird, the team was a game over .500 w/Crawford here this season... sorta debunks ur hypothesis.
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1/30/2009  10:37 AM
not really, we played a number of ****ty teams that were shorthanded. team is much better off when the ball is in someone elses hands.

the warriors have been shorthanded, but look at their record since he is been there, not to mention his previous tenures with the knicks and bulls
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1/30/2009  10:41 AM
i disagree... i think since Jamal left this team's biggest weakness has been the shortage at the SG position... u don't just lose a 20 ppg scorer & not feel the ill effects of it, i don't care who you're talking about... same goes w/Zach's inside game... i was all for both trades so please before Cosmic comes here jumping down my throat again for lamenting their absence, let me make that perfectly clear once again... but u can't say that Jamal's leaving was the reason this team improved this year when the team has yet to get back to over .500 since he left... that's just ridiculous speculation w/no factual basis.
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1/30/2009  10:47 AM
anticipation.
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1/30/2009  10:50 AM
Posted by TMS:

i disagree... i think since Jamal left this team's biggest weakness has been the shortage at the SG position... u don't just lose a 20 ppg scorer & not feel the ill effects of it, i don't care who you're talking about... same goes w/Zach's inside game... i was all for both trades so please before Cosmic comes here jumping down my throat again for lamenting their absence, let me make that perfectly clear once again... but u can't say that Jamal's leaving was the reason this team improved this year when the team has yet to get back to over .500 since he left... that's just ridiculous speculation w/no factual basis.

LOL

Seriously though if we had Mobley we'd had been in fine shape. You don't really miss 20ppg on 40% shooting. Zach's presence we of course missed. Yet with both players I maintain they stagnated the offense and they prevented other players from stepping up and chipping in. I think that's what is overlooked at times when the trades are discussed. All the weight is put on "missing 40 ppg" yet nobody takes the time to look at how much the other players grew in their absence. The fact that the 40ppg were absorbed readily and easily by other players if anything underscores the selfishness of the games of the two who were traded.

I'm being perfectly honest when I say I prefer to watch Tim Thomas and Al Harrington over Zach and Crawford. I'm being truthful. Are they my favorite players? Of course not and I prefer neither is here beyond 2010.

Even if we strike out in 2010 I feel we did the right thing here. I think our persistence and growth as a team and the results we are now seeing lends credibility to that.

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1/30/2009  10:51 AM
It gives Nate more minutes, who is just a flat out better player than jamal. Not having Zach inside has hurt the team, not the weakness at the two guard.

Jamal is not a winning player, period. Having the ball in the hands of Duhon and Nate is a positive, although we need someone that can backup Duhon.
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1/30/2009  10:56 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TMS:

i disagree... i think since Jamal left this team's biggest weakness has been the shortage at the SG position... u don't just lose a 20 ppg scorer & not feel the ill effects of it, i don't care who you're talking about... same goes w/Zach's inside game... i was all for both trades so please before Cosmic comes here jumping down my throat again for lamenting their absence, let me make that perfectly clear once again... but u can't say that Jamal's leaving was the reason this team improved this year when the team has yet to get back to over .500 since he left... that's just ridiculous speculation w/no factual basis.

LOL

Seriously though if we had Mobley we'd had been in fine shape. You don't really miss 20ppg on 40% shooting. Zach's presence we of course missed. Yet with both players I maintain they stagnated the offense and they prevented other players from stepping up and chipping in. I think that's what is overlooked at times when the trades are discussed. All the weight is put on "missing 40 ppg" yet nobody takes the time to look at how much the other players grew in their absence. The fact that the 40ppg were absorbed readily and easily by other players if anything underscores the selfishness of the games of the two who were traded.

I'm being perfectly honest when I say I prefer to watch Tim Thomas and Al Harrington over Zach and Crawford. I'm being truthful. Are they my favorite players? Of course not and I prefer neither is here beyond 2010.

Even if we strike out in 2010 I feel we did the right thing here. I think our persistence and growth as a team and the results we are now seeing lends credibility to that.

i agree, i think we did the right thing in trading both those guys... we now have the flexibility to target a max FA in 2010 which we didn't dream of having before... keeping Zach & Jamal would only have resulted in this team being a bottom echelon playoff team this season... our goals should be bigger than making playoff berths, we should be focused on building a championship team around superstars... & the trades have helped D Lee, Duhon & Nate emerge & get noticed as well, so their values have gone up... it was a total win win from the Knicks' perspective... i get all that... just don't assume the reason this team is improving is because we traded Zach & Jamal... it's not... it's because we have a coach w/a system that fits the roster we have & a GM who are on the same page in terms of vision... we also have Marbury away from the team & not being a constant distraction, which has been MY argument that was a huge factor in this team's ability to move away from the drama this season & finally focus on basketball.
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1/31/2009  11:45 AM
We have MDA to thank for allowing us to see what we already have on the team and how important it is to have players that will execute what the coach calls for. We can see how great coaches like Sloan and MDA always get. A ton out of decent talent despite not having 2 or 3 all stars.

The thing is that fans underestimated our choice of GM, Coach, our young talent and Duhon. I feel great cuz I've held a belief in what this team could do under great direction, even before we added a stud or two. I want to see this team succeed and be able to make future deals from a position of strength.

Oh and MDA was always a good defensive coach. He just has a different approach just like his offense. They go hand in hand. Look at his record and his teams were not awful defensively. His D was the same system in PHX it just took time for our guys to learn and for us to get healthy.
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2/2/2009  9:06 AM
I think a great man once said "trim the fat" and you will see improvement.

Not sure who that great man was, but dam-n he was great. He was clearly on to something. We got rid of the attitudes(not entirely but at least we marginalized them) of EC, marbs, Zach, Jamal etc. These aren't entirely bad dudes, for instance Jamal was a great guy and I beleive in his soul was a team guy. But these guys brought a self-defeatist, woe-ways-me, it's not my fault, implode when the going gets tough type attitude to the team. A couple brought an entitlement issue to the roster. Now we have a roster of guys who know nothing but try to do what the coach says. The record isn't spectacular and they have a ways to go but the entire attitude around the organization has changed. We are no longer laughed at, teams don't come to the garden to watch quitters they now have to play. Most importantly when the going gets tough these guys step up to the best of their abilities.

Now as is typical in NY, when we fail we find an individual to blame. When we succeed we find an individual to give all the credit to. The reality is that it's a combination of so many factors. The culture change, the banishment of Isiah, the changing of the roster and centerpeices and the coaching staff have all contributed to the change in the aura around this team. Again, at the end of the year maybe it's not reflected in the record, maybe it is. Regardless, things are definitely changing.
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2/2/2009  9:43 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

I think a great man once said "trim the fat" and you will see improvement.

Not sure who that great man was, but dam-n he was great. He was clearly on to something. We got rid of the attitudes(not entirely but at least we marginalized them) of EC, marbs, Zach, Jamal etc. These aren't entirely bad dudes, for instance Jamal was a great guy and I beleive in his soul was a team guy. But these guys brought a self-defeatist, woe-ways-me, it's not my fault, implode when the going gets tough type attitude to the team. A couple brought an entitlement issue to the roster. Now we have a roster of guys who know nothing but try to do what the coach says. The record isn't spectacular and they have a ways to go but the entire attitude around the organization has changed. We are no longer laughed at, teams don't come to the garden to watch quitters they now have to play. Most importantly when the going gets tough these guys step up to the best of their abilities.

Now as is typical in NY, when we fail we find an individual to blame. When we succeed we find an individual to give all the credit to. The reality is that it's a combination of so many factors. The culture change, the banishment of Isiah, the changing of the roster and centerpeices and the coaching staff have all contributed to the change in the aura around this team. Again, at the end of the year maybe it's not reflected in the record, maybe it is. Regardless, things are definitely changing.

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2/2/2009  10:03 AM
I got to say I don't understand the real excitement. This team is still 5 games under .500 and about to face their toughest month of the season. I feel that many are trying to get in their kudos before the record gets bloody. To each their own. In years past, when this team was in this position, the topic was who cares about being mediocre and about getting bounced out of the 1st round. I admit I love Knick wins but I wonder will this attitude hold. I seem to remember this was the attitude before the last Laker game on this board and then it got ugly for this team and many posters. It should be an interesting couple of weeks.
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Posted by Pharzeone:

I got to say I don't understand the real excitement. This team is still 5 games under .500 and about to face their toughest month of the season. I feel that many are trying to get in their kudos before the record gets bloody. To each their own. In years past, when this team was in this position, the topic was who cares about being mediocre and about getting bounced out of the 1st round. I admit I love Knick wins but I wonder will this attitude hold. I seem to remember this was the attitude before the last Laker game on this board and then it got ugly for this team and many posters. It should be an interesting couple of weeks.

Oh people will switch in a heartbeat, you don't have to wonder, if we lose it will happen.

I will pat myself on the back and say that I am one of the few that has remained even keeled.
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