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MS
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1/27/2009  9:30 AM
I think we are seriously underestimating our young talent on this team. And with all this talk about two superstars in 2010, I think we get lost in the big picture without realizing with maturity this team has what it takes to compete.

Imagine adding Lebron to this bunch

Now imagine Lee, Chandler, Gallo, Nate with another year and a half under their belt, a mid round banger in the draft, and a couple of veteran players looking for a ring.

Without a superstar:

Chris Duhon 12.7pts 8.0 Ass
David Lee 15.7pts 11.5rbs (would be more like 18pts 12rbs as a starter)
Nate Robinson 15.6pts 3.6ass
Wilson Chandler 13.8pts 5.7rbs (look down defender potential)

Lebron: Takes Q and Harrington's minutes and gives you a first team all defender, and have three players with high iqs on the floor, and four guys that can stick the three, one of the top rebounders and most efficient players, how can anyone guard this team?
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1/27/2009  9:33 AM
Look at Lebron's supporting cast before you go crazy

Mo Williams 16.5pts 4.0ass
Z 13pts 7rbs
Varejo 9.1pts 7rbs
West 12pts
Gibson 8pts


This team is considered one of the top 5 team in basketball. And I think everyone here would rather have Lee, Nate, Chandler then any combination of those three.

They do play good defense, you can't take that away from them, but we our discounting how much activity Lebron creates and how easy he makes it for these guys. We don't have one guy that demands a double.

THE Knicks are beating good teams this year and learning how to win, they have been right there with some of the nbas best, add maturity to their young unit and one superstar and watch out
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1/27/2009  9:39 AM
I think LeBron=2otherFA2010 anyway...
Things are getting complicated if we are not getting him... Then we need space for 2 FAs.
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1/27/2009  9:42 AM
I only need Halle Berry's digits to be considered a pimp.


Lebron ain't coming.
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1/27/2009  9:49 AM
Posted by misterearl:

I only need Halle Berry's digits to be considered a pimp.


Lebron ain't coming.

i'll hook you up with the digits earl as soon as you text me thelma from good times #. i've been trying to holla at her for a minute now...
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1/27/2009  9:57 AM
djsu - hold up, if you had Thelma's digits I would hook you up with Halle, Beyonce AND Jessica Alba

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1/27/2009  10:01 AM
earl...done deal. let me get my palm pilot...

ms - it's possible but there are always teams that sneak up on people for a season and then fall back a bit when opposing teams scout them more and take them a bit more seriously. right now, knicks players are playing with no pressure to win games. some may be playing for a contract, but the expectations aren't as high. so who knows how a team will respond once pressure is placed upon them by the organization, fans, and media. and lebron isn't just a superstar, he's the best player in the league. what happens if they don't get him?

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1/27/2009  10:18 AM
I don't think Wade would be a bad option, but I think he stays in Miami. Lebron want's to be a global icon and he can't do that if he stays in cleveland. So unless he decides to go to the Bulls or the Heat I think this is the only place for him to be.

And no one can stay in front of Nate, Chandler is 20 we forget that he isn't the player he will be and his confidence is only growing. Gallo you can already see signs of what type of player he can be and he has winning qualities about his game. Lee can handle the pressure.

We have one of the better coaches in the game and players love playing for him, people discount just how good this guy is. He has virtually the same team with Duhon on it and a talent downgrade and is still winning games, his team is in virtually every game and he is molding them into winners.
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1/27/2009  1:08 PM
David Lee 15.7pts 11.5rbs (would be more like 18pts 12rbs as a starter)

how do u figure Lee's production would go up as a starter when he's already averaging over 35mpg over the season?

[Edited by - TMS on 01-27-2009 10:09 AM]
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1/27/2009  1:18 PM
B/c those averages are not taking into account when Lee was hurt at the beginning of the season, when he was coming off the bench and when Zach Randolph was clogging the lane. Since the trade and since he's been a starter, he's been about 18 and 12 or 13 and he's also getting a steal a game.
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1/27/2009  1:29 PM
so in other words, on a team w/no post presence & no other quality bigmen, D Lee can put up 18 & 12 or 13 as a starter... is that fair to say or no? does that mean we can assume he'd be putting up those same numbers as a starter on a contender? i don't agree w/that line of thinking.
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1/27/2009  1:34 PM
His rebounder if he is starting isn't going to change, and with some that draws a double i think you can assume he will be getting easy buckets
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1/27/2009  10:44 PM
Posted by TMS:

so in other words, on a team w/no post presence & no other quality bigmen, D Lee can put up 18 & 12 or 13 as a starter... is that fair to say or no? does that mean we can assume he'd be putting up those same numbers as a starter on a contender? i don't agree w/that line of thinking.

LaBron, Lee, and Duhon will be a deadly combination no metter who the other 2 will be.
If this will be Galo and Chan, and Nate with Al from the bench... WOW
And we will still have money for Nash... Soooo?

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1/27/2009  11:31 PM
Posted by TMS:

so in other words, on a team w/no post presence & no other quality bigmen, D Lee can put up 18 & 12 or 13 as a starter... is that fair to say or no? does that mean we can assume he'd be putting up those same numbers as a starter on a contender? i don't agree w/that line of thinking.

I didn't say that. I said he put up smaller numbers with Zach. Lee was getting a double double, or close to it, every game, when Curry was having his semi big season and clogging the lane. And yes, I think he can put up big numbers on a contender.
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1/27/2009  11:40 PM
People lose sight in just how bright our future is.

Lee is emerging as an All-Star caliber player; Nate is ballin'; Chandler is young as hell and has All-Star potential; Gallo is a blue chip. On top of that we have crazy cap flexibility heading into the best free agent class of all time. We're already a decent trade, and a good pick away from being contenders. Adding one or two free top-tier free agents, and its a wrap.

The spirit of the thread is dead on. Minus Lebron, this team is better than Cleveland. Or I guess I should say our supporting cast is superior.
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1/28/2009  12:26 AM
I think it's ridiculous to assume everyone's numbers will go up if LeBron joins the team. It's not like the Knicks are going to get more possessions. And it's not like LeBron isn't going to get his stats. Look at the guys in Boston... it's not like everyone's stats went up because they were playing with more talented teammates
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Posted by SupremeCommander:

I think it's ridiculous to assume everyone's numbers will go up if LeBron joins the team. It's not like the Knicks are going to get more possessions. And it's not like LeBron isn't going to get his stats. Look at the guys in Boston... it's not like everyone's stats went up because they were playing with more talented teammates

Rondo is certainly benefiting from the big three. Besides, Pierce, KG, and Allen are collectively not the talent that Labron is and certainly not the kind of facilitator.
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1/28/2009  12:45 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I think it's ridiculous to assume everyone's numbers will go up if LeBron joins the team. It's not like the Knicks are going to get more possessions. And it's not like LeBron isn't going to get his stats. Look at the guys in Boston... it's not like everyone's stats went up because they were playing with more talented teammates

If you are talking about FG% it can go up. And it will.
PPG will probably be same. Who cares anyway?
Effectiveness is what makes team superior
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1/28/2009  6:36 AM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by TMS:

so in other words, on a team w/no post presence & no other quality bigmen, D Lee can put up 18 & 12 or 13 as a starter... is that fair to say or no? does that mean we can assume he'd be putting up those same numbers as a starter on a contender? i don't agree w/that line of thinking.

LaBron, Lee, and Duhon will be a deadly combination no metter who the other 2 will be.
If this will be Galo and Chan, and Nate with Al from the bench... WOW
And we will still have money for Nash... Soooo?

Lebron, Lee, Nash & Duhon will not bring a championship to NYC IMO... i think we absolutely must get another superstar to pair w/Lebron in order for us to win it all... in 2010 Nash will not be the 2 time MVP calibre player he once was.
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1/28/2009  6:46 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I think it's ridiculous to assume everyone's numbers will go up if LeBron joins the team. It's not like the Knicks are going to get more possessions. And it's not like LeBron isn't going to get his stats. Look at the guys in Boston... it's not like everyone's stats went up because they were playing with more talented teammates

it's absolutely ridiculous... there's only so many possessions per game to go around... in this fast pace system where guys are free to launch up shots at will, the stats have gone up because we currently have no guys on the team dominating possessions... if u add a guy like Lebron who will be getting more than his fair share of points in that system, how many more shot attempts do u guys think our other guys will get? it's nonsensical thinking to assume that guys are gonna start averaging better numbers playing w/Lebron... the team will win more games absolutely... the team will be much better absolutely... but unless u'r running a 1-2 punch type style game (which we are not), i don't see any way in hell D Lee's production will go up on offense...

the only way for that to happen is if the production of the other guys on this team go way down to compensate... we're currently 6th in the NBA in scoring at just under 104 ppg... how many more points per game do u guys think we're going to be averaging w/Lebron here? add Lebron's 26-28 ppg to our current roster & how do u possibly figure that D Lee's numbers go up also? doesn't make a bit of sense unless u think our team scoring average is gonna go up to 130+ per... come on guys, use some common sense.
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