I posted this in the gamethread but decided to ask this question here.

When the team loses, the coach has to take some responsibility, I understand that. But I dont understand people ripping on the current coach, when the previous coach, and the one before that and the one before that couldn't squeeze much life, consistantcy, or wins out of essentially the same group of back-ups and bench players.

Seriously, who has a better starting 5, Oklahoma or the Knicks?

I agree. D'Antoni is passionate about this team being at least' a little more successful, a little more consistent. With this bunch, it's totally unpredictable. We can't rely on anything they do. It's pretty obvious beating bastan and then losing to OKC.

There is seriously something mentally wrong with our foundation. What that is exactly I cannot put my finger on. I'm beginning to think the same things would happen, even if we had Lebron! Maybe there's just too much to look forward to and maybe it's just too overwhelming. Now that's being 'out there'.

Posted by Pharzeone:

This would hold true but this coach brought in the current point guard and now the number one option apparently on the team. At some point you got to put away that Scott Layden excuse used by Isiah particularly after David Lee is traded. This ain't the same roster from last year. Accountability also can't be blind.

And D'Antoni has not made the excuse either. But damn man' at what point do we say we are in fact depleted with quality players and who is' backing up Duhon? Nobody!

Posted by 4949:

Posted by Pharzeone:

This would hold true but this coach brought in the current point guard and now the number one option apparently on the team. At some point you got to put away that Scott Layden excuse used by Isiah particularly after David Lee is traded. This ain't the same roster from last year. Accountability also can't be blind.

And D'Antoni has not made the excuse either. But damn man' at what point do we say we are in fact depleted with quality players and who is' backing up Duhon? Nobody!

Marbury DNP Coach's Decision

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by Pharzeone:

This would hold true but this coach brought in the current point guard and now the number one option apparently on the team. At some point you got to put away that Scott Layden excuse used by Isiah particularly after David Lee is traded. This ain't the same roster from last year. Accountability also can't be blind.

Huh? Forget about Fred Jones and Randolph Morris. Besides Randolph and Crawford, 2 guys we knew were nothing special in terms of adding wins to this team, this is the same exact team. Same team. Except Duhon is starting over Marbury. Yay.

This is Isiah's team until the majority of his players are cleared off the team and replaced with players who have a high basketball IQ and attempt to play defense.

Duhon and Harrington are averaging 39 and 36 minutes a game. Both men preceeded to use a roster spot in the off season to acquire a guy that the coach refuses to give any playing time too. This is Walsh and D'Antoni's team. It's the Scott Layden excuse all over again. To only make it look better Tim Thomas was acquired again to prove it.

Yes. Tim Thomas was acquired for his amazing talent and for no other reason. Thanks for reminding me again.

Harrington is basically Crawford at forward with a shorter deal so I don't get your point. Duhon is a solid player, probably best fit to be a backup PG in this league. So what is your argument? You'd rather see Marbury play over Duhon? 5 of Isiah's players are part of the 8 man rotation. A 6th (Curry) will join it soon. Malik, Jerome, and Marbury are Isiah's players. Roberson? He makes the minimum...so who cares? I'm not understanding your problem with this team. Do you want to get under the cap? Do you support last year's team? I really don't get it and I will quit trying to.

Man, you are worse than isles. I wont even bother engaging you anymore.

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by Pharzeone:

This would hold true but this coach brought in the current point guard and now the number one option apparently on the team. At some point you got to put away that Scott Layden excuse used by Isiah particularly after David Lee is traded. This ain't the same roster from last year. Accountability also can't be blind.

Huh? Forget about Fred Jones and Randolph Morris. Besides Randolph and Crawford, 2 guys we knew were nothing special in terms of adding wins to this team, this is the same exact team. Same team. Except Duhon is starting over Marbury. Yay.

This is Isiah's team until the majority of his players are cleared off the team and replaced with players who have a high basketball IQ and attempt to play defense.

Duhon and Harrington are averaging 39 and 36 minutes a game. Both men preceeded to use a roster spot in the off season to acquire a guy that the coach refuses to give any playing time too. This is Walsh and D'Antoni's team. It's the Scott Layden excuse all over again. To only make it look better Tim Thomas was acquired again to prove it.

Yes. Tim Thomas was acquired for his amazing talent and for no other reason. Thanks for reminding me again.

Harrington is basically Crawford at forward with a shorter deal so I don't get your point. Duhon is a solid player, probably best fit to be a backup PG in this league. So what is your argument? You'd rather see Marbury play over Duhon? 5 of Isiah's players are part of the 8 man rotation. A 6th (Curry) will join it soon. Malik, Jerome, and Marbury are Isiah's players. Roberson? He makes the minimum...so who cares? I'm not understanding your problem with this team. Do you want to get under the cap? Do you support last year's team? I really don't get it and I will quit trying to.

Man, you are worse than isles. I wont even bother engaging you anymore.

I don't engage you. I only responded out of curiosity as it was the third time you responded to a post I made and I didn't respond to those. I normally use the ignore button.

Children, children. Must we fight?!

Posted by Uptown:

I would take Oklahomas starting 5 over ours in a heartbeat.

westbrook + green + durant = none lower than the 5th pick in the lotto.

knicks lone lotto pick is wearing a girdle.

Posted by 4949:

Children, children. Must we fight?!

As long as it's a trend, maybe we should engage in Round Two?

People tend to think that they are the center of the Universe and this is natural.
Fans think that the team is here for US. It's a valid point... to some extent.
But fans also think that team must be constructed like we want and this should be done now. Is this a valid point?
All that new management done and said can be summarized in short: THIS TEAM WILL BE RECONSTRUCTED COMPLITELY.
We do not have any... and I mean any players that are worth talking about as keepers.
I like Lee, Chan, Duhon... but are they our players of the future? They never proved it yet.
Look at any good team in NBA - all of them have core group, the face of the team. Stars, role players, specialists.
You call the name of the player and you visualize the team; you think about the team and players are popping out.
Who do you think about when Knicks name is coming up - Frazer, Patrick, Huston, even Steph...?
Our current players are not the team yet and very few will be the part on the Knick in the future.

Posted by BasketballJones:

I think we (collectively) just have a short attention span. We knew what the plan was, but as soon as the team wins a game we start thinking about a winning season.

In the past, if there ever was a plan to rebuild, the Knicks never stuck to it, so you can hardly blame fans for thinking they won't stick to it this time. And if they call for the coach to be fired, you can't blame them for thinking it'll happen because it seems to have worked before.



[Edited by - basketballjones on 01-07-2009 14:50]

Very true.
And if somebody want to win now and a lot he/she must switch to rooting for Boston or Lakers, or both for that matter. It will be a lot of positive amotions...

[Edited by - arkrud on 01-07-2009 2:55 PM]