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1/5/2009  9:03 AM
I think we can balance the floor better and this takes pressure off both Al and the coaching staff in terms of his shot selection. Coming off the bench as a high powered scoring 6th man[kind of like what Ben Gordon was in Chicago] looks like it will work out very well. He can be pulled if he is off[or starts going too much 1-1 with 35 footers etc..] and let go if he is on.
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1/5/2009  9:48 AM
Looking at only the first half of the Boston game thus far, he seemed to take the team out of their flow in the 1st quarter, but he hit enough of his shots that it didn't matter. He appeared much better in the 2nd quarter. Perhaps it's a process with him.
He does seem like he has a bit of Crawford in him, both with taking charge and disrupting offensive flow.

And what about Robinson as 6th man and instant offense? I think it's more of Robinsons demeanor to have that role, but I'm all for continuing playing Al as a 6th man.
BTW, it was sort of shocking to see Nate play under control as a PG, but he didn't seem to drive and dish, which could be his strong suit (But then again against Boston's interior that aint easy).
He seemed to sort of just start the ball going around...
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1/5/2009  9:52 AM
Posted by earthmansurfer:

Looking at only the first half of the Boston game thus far, he seemed to take the team out of their flow in the 1st quarter, but he hit enough of his shots that it didn't matter. He appeared much better in the 2nd quarter. Perhaps it's a process with him.
He does seem like he has a bit of Crawford in him, both with taking charge and disrupting offensive flow.

And what about Robinson as 6th man and instant offense? I think it's more of Robinsons demeanor to have that role, but I'm all for continuing playing Al as a 6th man.
BTW, it was sort of shocking to see Nate play under control as a PG, but he didn't seem to drive and dish, which could be his strong suit (But then again against Boston's interior that aint easy).
He seemed to sort of just start the ball going around...

It does look like Nate as taken a backseat role to AL as sixth man. I hate getting down on a player when he is in a slump because it takes away from just how well he has played overall. Someone is going to have to be moved for salary consequence--Nate will be able to command an MLE--I wonder if we need to move him in the next 5 weeks before the deadline?
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1/5/2009  10:00 AM
I think having Nate and Al as 6th/7th men is OK. Both can be instant offense and energy boosters off the bench, they play different positions.
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1/5/2009  11:35 AM
I don't know what to say with moving Nate. My heart says he should stay but maybe there is a better fit for this offense at that price (5 million MLE).
I wish it were that easy with Lee. We should have signed him for 8ish when we had the chance.

If we do move Nate, I'm not sure what we could get back for him???
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1/5/2009  11:35 AM
Briggs I agree with everything you said. To me they are both 6th men. They both bring a spark off the bench, scoring and can go hot and cold. I lean more towards Harrington in this role just because he will play some defense from time to time. I'd be curious how they would perform with a strong veteran defensive/passing PG running the 2nd team instead of nate.
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1/5/2009  12:07 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Briggs I agree with everything you said. To me they are both 6th men. They both bring a spark off the bench, scoring and can go hot and cold. I lean more towards Harrington in this role just because he will play some defense from time to time. I'd be curious how they would perform with a strong veteran defensive/passing PG running the 2nd team instead of nate.

I was going to make a comment like: Al thinks he is a go-to starter/borderline all-star but really he is more in the lines of 3rd fiddle or VERY good 6th man.
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1/5/2009  12:45 PM
What are you guys talking about...he just dropped 30pts too!!! If he comes off the bench fine....but the guy is proving he can score.

btw....if you guys think Al is a chucker....what you gonna think of Lebron if he comes here? Lebron is a chucker! He has his teamates standing around alot as well.
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1/5/2009  1:04 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:

I don't know what to say with moving Nate. My heart says he should stay but maybe there is a better fit for this offense at that price (5 million MLE).
I wish it were that easy with Lee. We should have signed him for 8ish when we had the chance.

If we do move Nate, I'm not sure what we could get back for him???

Nate should stay. Not only is he a good player and perfect in his 6th man role but he's gotten a lot of respect from the top players around the league - LeBron, Kobe.... Nobody should underestimate that. In the summer of 2010, FAs have big decisions to make. Playing WITH Nate and FOR D'Antoni are big pluses that definitely work in our favor...
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1/5/2009  1:31 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

What are you guys talking about...he just dropped 30pts too!!! If he comes off the bench fine....but the guy is proving he can score.

btw....if you guys think Al is a chucker....what you gonna think of Lebron if he comes here? Lebron is a chucker! He has his teamates standing around alot as well.


Lebrons a chucker? Thats a new one.

FG% 50 Pts 27.5 Asts 6.6

If you are going to chuck, at least make 50% of your shots like Lebron. Not to mention the 6-7 asts he's averaging per game. Chuckers dont usually average that many assits for Lebron is one of the best passing forwards in the game.


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1/5/2009  1:36 PM
Yeah, LeBron does it all pretty much. Within the offense and takes over when he needs. Comparing him to Al is like comparing a nurse shark to a great white.
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1/5/2009  2:22 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by EnySpree:

What are you guys talking about...he just dropped 30pts too!!! If he comes off the bench fine....but the guy is proving he can score.

btw....if you guys think Al is a chucker....what you gonna think of Lebron if he comes here? Lebron is a chucker! He has his teamates standing around alot as well.


Lebrons a chucker? Thats a new one.

FG% 50 Pts 27.5 Asts 6.6

If you are going to chuck, at least make 50% of your shots like Lebron. Not to mention the 6-7 asts he's averaging per game. Chuckers dont usually average that many assits for Lebron is one of th ebest passing forwards in the game.
Lebron is the best player in the league.....he's still a chucker.....the offense must run through him. But obviously if the dude is dominating teams by himself so easily and his team is winning its not chucking.

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1/5/2009  2:28 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by EnySpree:

What are you guys talking about...he just dropped 30pts too!!! If he comes off the bench fine....but the guy is proving he can score.

btw....if you guys think Al is a chucker....what you gonna think of Lebron if he comes here? Lebron is a chucker! He has his teamates standing around alot as well.


Lebrons a chucker? Thats a new one.

FG% 50 Pts 27.5 Asts 6.6

If you are going to chuck, at least make 50% of your shots like Lebron. Not to mention the 6-7 asts he's averaging per game. Chuckers dont usually average that many assits for Lebron is one of th ebest passing forwards in the game.
Lebron is the best player in the league.....he's still a chucker.....the offense must run through him. But obviously if the dude is dominating teams by himself so easily and his team is winning its not chucking.


From Jordan, to Bird, to Hakeem to Lebron to Wade...What superstar doesn't have the offense run through them? They have the talent and skill level to do so. Guys like Harrington and Jamal dont have the talent, skill or consistancy to do the same.
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1/5/2009  4:44 PM
Yeah but with Lebrjust on, he needs to do a lot of handling and one on one....how many times does he go through his legs 3-4 times and throws up bombs from the outside? How many times does he force his way inside by over dribbling?

Yeah he's a good player, but what is the difference with him dropping 30pts and a guy like Al Harrington? Al is getting called a chucker but what the hell the guy is averaging 22pts per as a Knick! He's scoring in the flow....a few times he goes one on one but only when the team needs someone to make a basket.

I'm only chatting about this cuz everyone wants Lebron but the Knicks have scorers and everyone seems to want the best scorers to stop scoring and go to the bench. I really don't get it.

Then a guy like Wilson finally wakes up and "takes over" and he gets praised.....Al has been doing it from day one.

I know one thing is for certain.....the Knicks need help. Not even a whole lot of help....they need one more guy that can score from the outside. The ball would move way better if the alternative at the end of ball movement wasn't Jared or Q.....

I would probably agree with the concept of Al off the bench if Curry came back.....but no way should he be fazed out or considered a bum or irrelavant....I want the dude to get his respect.
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1/5/2009  4:50 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Yeah but with Lebrjust on, he needs to do a lot of handling and one on one....how many times does he go through his legs 3-4 times and throws up bombs from the outside? How many times does he force his way inside by over dribbling?

Yeah he's a good player, but what is the difference with him dropping 30pts and a guy like Al Harrington? Al is getting called a chucker but what the hell the guy is averaging 22pts per as a Knick! He's scoring in the flow....a few times he goes one on one but only when the team needs someone to make a basket.

I'm only chatting about this cuz everyone wants Lebron but the Knicks have scorers and everyone seems to want the best scorers to stop scoring and go to the bench. I really don't get it.

Then a guy like Wilson finally wakes up and "takes over" and he gets praised.....Al has been doing it from day one.

I know one thing is for certain.....the Knicks need help. Not even a whole lot of help....they need one more guy that can score from the outside. The ball would move way better if the alternative at the end of ball movement wasn't Jared or Q.....

I would probably agree with the concept of Al off the bench if Curry came back.....but no way should he be fazed out or considered a bum or irrelavant....I want the dude to get his respect.

Who is saying phase him out. Who are you Stephon Marbury? He's got 37 minutes off the bench last night. He's not being phased out, he's just being used to add energy to the bench. And his replacement is being used to add defense to the first unit. There is nothing wrong with coming off the bench Stephon.
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1/5/2009  5:24 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I think we can balance the floor better and this takes pressure off both Al and the coaching staff in terms of his shot selection. Coming off the bench as a high powered scoring 6th man[kind of like what Ben Gordon was in Chicago] looks like it will work out very well. He can be pulled if he is off[or starts going too much 1-1 with 35 footers etc..] and let go if he is on.

I do agree, but right now we seem to have a team of bench players...Al, Lee, Nate, Duhon, and Chandler all seems like great players to have coming off the bench on a Championship caliber team...Each can be starters surrounded by better players...Can we however, afford to keep them all...
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1/5/2009  5:25 PM
Hey man no need to get all personal.....I just wanna be on Al Harrington.....no need for name calling.....and being called Stephon is crossing the line!
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1/5/2009  6:52 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Hey man no need to get all personal.....I just wanna be on Al Harrington.....no need for name calling.....and being called Stephon is crossing the line!

Yeah, I guess I was a out of line. Sorry about that.
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1/5/2009  7:14 PM
Eny...I hope I'm misreading you...but theres a huge difference when Lebron decides to chuck and Al decides he wants to take over a game. Like I said Lebron is at 50%. Al is at 43%. Huge difference. Lebron gets it done just about every game. Al gets it done about every 4th game or so. Consistantcy is what separates the Lebrons of the world and Al Harrigntons.

As far as adding Lebron, he's more than a scorer. He makes his teammates better. I think I saw you write in one of the threads that Cleveland probably wouldn't make the playoffs if you remove Lebron from that team. Lebron is one of the best passing forwards I ever seen and I've been watching pro ball for 24+ years. With Lebron in tow, Wilson and Al still can have a role on this team because Lebron is an unselfish star. His game allows others to play their games aswell. He's not Kobe of years past or even early Jordan. Lebron is more in Magics class than Jordans.
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1/5/2009  7:43 PM
Uptown - I know what Lebron is......but if you wanna talk consistancy.....check Al Harringtons box scores since he's been a Knick......he shoots a lot of three's so that can contribute to his shooting percentage.

Al drops 30pts and nobody even budges and they still talk about him being lesser than what he is putting up and don't want him to shoot.....

I dunno I'm not comparing Al Harrington to Lebron cuz you can't compare anybody to him. I just can't deal with the disrespect these players get when they are producing every night.

A guy like Duhon who some have went as far to say the Knicks can't win without him....he has been brought back to earth. He's the same back-up he's always been. He's actually a bum and I would like to see less of him. How dare I say that to a proven winner like Duhon though?

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