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BRIGGS
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1/3/2009  5:29 PM
and get Patrick Patterson and Stephon Curry
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1/3/2009  5:43 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

and get Patrick Patterson and Stephon Curry

Care to elaborate a little more on that? I can't even understand what you're saying.

Besides, we cannot trade our draft pick on draft day. Can't do it. Can't do it prior to draft day either. We could trade the player we select later in the summer but that's it.

We MUST use that pick because our 2010 goes to Utah.
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Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by BRIGGS:

and get Patrick Patterson and Stephon Curry

Care to elaborate a little more on that? I can't even understand what you're saying.

Besides, we cannot trade our draft pick on draft day. Can't do it. Can't do it prior to draft day either. We could trade the player we select later in the summer but that's it.

We MUST use that pick because our 2010 goes to Utah.

Yes take our higher pick and move down with Minnesota who has two draft picks positioned just below where we will likely be[unless we have a miracle] and take those two players who will fit with this system nicely.
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Posted by BRIGGS:


Yes take our higher pick and move down with Minnesota who has two draft picks positioned just below where we will likely be[unless we have a miracle] and take those two players who will fit with this system nicely.

So you want to trade our 2009 pick, which the CBA says we can't, for two of Minny's picks? Also, some of those aren't theirs, whose are they? Why would we trade our 09 lotto pick for non-lotto-picks when we so desperately need that pick to come through for us?

They can't give us consecutive picks of their own, the CBA doesn't allow that...so some other team's will come back that they own and they also shouldn't give us two of their likely to be lotto picks of the future given the state of their team and need to score on their lotto picks, and they won't because McHale has no power anymore.



Just not sure where you're going with this one, BRIGGS, and I'm pretty sure it can't happen anyway given the CBA rules on our own pick.

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1/3/2009  6:13 PM
Okay, NBADRAFT.NET has Minny listed with 4 picks.

They currently stand as:

#2
#14
#18
#30

They're not giving up #2. So you would trade our lotto pick for 2 non-lotto picks? 14 and 18 I guess?

Ugh, thank god we can't. We must use our 2009 pick.
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Posted by Cosmic:

Okay, NBADRAFT.NET has Minny listed with 4 picks.

They currently stand as:

#2
#14
#18
#30

They're not giving up #2. So you would trade our lotto pick for 2 non-lotto picks? 14 and 18 I guess?

Ugh, thank god we can't. We must use our 2009 pick.

Right now we have the 10th pick. Yeah, I'd trade #10 for #s 14 and 18
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Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by BRIGGS:


Yes take our higher pick and move down with Minnesota who has two draft picks positioned just below where we will likely be[unless we have a miracle] and take those two players who will fit with this system nicely.

So you want to trade our 2009 pick, which the CBA says we can't, for two of Minny's picks? Also, some of those aren't theirs, whose are they? Why would we trade our 09 lotto pick for non-lotto-picks when we so desperately need that pick to come through for us?

They can't give us consecutive picks of their own, the CBA doesn't allow that...so some other team's will come back that they own and they also shouldn't give us two of their likely to be lotto picks of the future given the state of their team and need to score on their lotto picks, and they won't because McHale has no power anymore.



Just not sure where you're going with this one, BRIGGS, and I'm pretty sure it can't happen anyway given the CBA rules on our own pick.

A team can trade their draft rights after a selection, so it could be worked out. The Spurs and Mavericks were doing that all the time in the 90s.
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Posted by Cosmic:

Okay, NBADRAFT.NET has Minny listed with 4 picks.

They currently stand as:

#2
#14
#18
#30

They're not giving up #2. So you would trade our lotto pick for 2 non-lotto picks? 14 and 18 I guess?

Ugh, thank god we can't. We must use our 2009 pick.


Or do any of these 2 trades discussed on Realgm earlier


Brian Cardinal + Brewer + Conditional pick
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Lee, Q, and Nate
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Miller, Gomes, Telfair... Philly and Miami picks they own for the 2009 draft(picks are number 14 and 18 currently)
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1/3/2009  8:39 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Cosmic:

Okay, NBADRAFT.NET has Minny listed with 4 picks.

They currently stand as:

#2
#14
#18
#30

They're not giving up #2. So you would trade our lotto pick for 2 non-lotto picks? 14 and 18 I guess?

Ugh, thank god we can't. We must use our 2009 pick.

Right now we have the 10th pick. Yeah, I'd trade #10 for #s 14 and 18

so would i... that's a no brainer, especially if u can get Patterson & Curry that late.
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1/3/2009  8:46 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Cosmic:

Okay, NBADRAFT.NET has Minny listed with 4 picks.

They currently stand as:

#2
#14
#18
#30

They're not giving up #2. So you would trade our lotto pick for 2 non-lotto picks? 14 and 18 I guess?

Ugh, thank god we can't. We must use our 2009 pick.

Right now we have the 10th pick. Yeah, I'd trade #10 for #s 14 and 18

so would i... that's a no brainer, especially if u can get Patterson & Curry that late.

Me too, but I guess we have to find out where we will be at the end of the season.

But right now Curry seems to be expected to go higher than any of those.


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Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Cosmic:

Okay, NBADRAFT.NET has Minny listed with 4 picks.

They currently stand as:

#2
#14
#18
#30

They're not giving up #2. So you would trade our lotto pick for 2 non-lotto picks? 14 and 18 I guess?

Ugh, thank god we can't. We must use our 2009 pick.

Right now we have the 10th pick. Yeah, I'd trade #10 for #s 14 and 18

so would i... that's a no brainer, especially if u can get Patterson & Curry that late.

Me too, but I guess we have to find out where we will be at the end of the season.

But right now Curry seems to be expected to go higher than any of those.



the only reason to hold onto a #10 lottery lot is to see if u can possibly get into the top 3 on draft lottery day... after that, it's pointless... someone u get at #14 & #18 as compared to someone u get at #10 isn't likely going to be that much different in terms of talent & upside, especially in this year's draft where there aren't too many elite quality prospects available... i highly doubt Minny would trade those 2 picks for a #10 tho, more likely it would be the 1 of those 2 & their #30 pick, which is another story.
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1/3/2009  8:52 PM
We may end up higher than #10 at the end of the season, and we know that could give us a good chance at the #1 on lottery night. Once we move that point, we'll see where we (and other teams) stand.

Remember Lee will probably be available so we could get one of those top picks with him.


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1/3/2009  8:59 PM
Isnt the draft in June and July 1 is free agency?
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Posted by Knicksfan:

We may end up higher than #10 at the end of the season, and we know that could give us a good chance at the #1 on lottery night. Once we move that point, we'll see where we (and other teams) stand.

Remember Lee will probably be available so we could get one of those top picks with him.



i don't think Lee will have that much value this year as he had last year on draft night because of his contract situation... i think the time to trade him is at the trade deadline this year... that's when teams that are on the cusp of contending will give up more to get him for a stretch run... hard to find teams like that w/top draft picks, but there might be 1 out there that has a pick from a past trade... haven't gone down the list of possibilities yet but if someone has let's list them here & discuss.
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Posted by King1:

Isnt the draft in June and July 1 is free agency?

Yes, that is correct.
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1/3/2009  10:47 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Cosmic:

Okay, NBADRAFT.NET has Minny listed with 4 picks.

They currently stand as:

#2
#14
#18
#30

They're not giving up #2. So you would trade our lotto pick for 2 non-lotto picks? 14 and 18 I guess?

Ugh, thank god we can't. We must use our 2009 pick.

Right now we have the 10th pick. Yeah, I'd trade #10 for #s 14 and 18

so would i... that's a no brainer, especially if u can get Patterson & Curry that late.

Me too, but I guess we have to find out where we will be at the end of the season.

But right now Curry seems to be expected to go higher than any of those.



the only reason to hold onto a #10 lottery lot is to see if u can possibly get into the top 3 on draft lottery day... after that, it's pointless... someone u get at #14 & #18 as compared to someone u get at #10 isn't likely going to be that much different in terms of talent & upside, especially in this year's draft where there aren't too many elite quality prospects available... i highly doubt Minny would trade those 2 picks for a #10 tho, more likely it would be the 1 of those 2 & their #30 pick, which is another story.

Agreed and it would probably come down to whether or not Minny liked someone at 10 that won't be there at 14. It also comes down to what Donnie does between now and then too. Say we went out and got a Morris Almond and he came here for the rest of the season and played well - now maybe I entertain the idea of a Chandler + #10 or maybe even a Gallo + #10 to MOVE UP and grab a Jordan Hill. We could also go that route...

Or even #10 for 14 & 30 - that wouldn't be too bad. You're right, probably not a big difference in talent between 10 and 14 unless, again, Minny likes a guy a lot that they feel might not be there at 14 but will be at 10 - that could be a key in their willingness to do something with us. Say at 14 & 30 we grab a whole new backcourt with Paddy Mills and Dionte Christmas. Maybe with Mills and Christmas on board, now maybe we have some flexibility with what to do with Duhon and Chandler - maybe we look to move those guys for help in other areas. With that 10th pick combined with some other assets we have you figure we should have some options here to go either way...

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1/3/2009  10:52 PM
The longer the Knicks wait which Walsh has a propensity to do the less value you get for Lee and Nate. You hsaould have traded them in the summer or draft night. I dont want to hear about the Memphis thinbg because it isnt true. Walsh has waited on the Marbury deal and getting some reinforcements in here sometimes waiting to long you lose
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Posted by King1:

The longer the Knicks wait which Walsh has a propensity to do the less value you get for Lee and Nate. You hsaould have traded them in the summer or draft night. I dont want to hear about the Memphis thinbg because it isnt true. Walsh has waited on the Marbury deal and getting some reinforcements in here sometimes waiting to long you lose

King 1 I know you follow Florida--wow Nick Calathes was impressive tonight. It's players like this which will make the draft more interesting--The kid I watched was a top 10 player in the NCAA. They say this draft is thin but for all of the big men who came out last year--it seems you can find some really players at ever position only thin at C.
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1/3/2009  11:21 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Cosmic:

Okay, NBADRAFT.NET has Minny listed with 4 picks.

They currently stand as:

#2
#14
#18
#30

They're not giving up #2. So you would trade our lotto pick for 2 non-lotto picks? 14 and 18 I guess?

Ugh, thank god we can't. We must use our 2009 pick.

Right now we have the 10th pick. Yeah, I'd trade #10 for #s 14 and 18

Hmmm... if you trust the depth of the draft I guess it could make some sense. It's hard to say if our pick will hover around 10 or drop deeper into the lottery though. I guess that is inconsequential until the actual draft.


Posted by Pharzeone:


A team can trade their draft rights after a selection, so it could be worked out. The Spurs and Mavericks were doing that all the time in the 90s.

Is that how that works? You can still do a draft day trade with the pick? Of course the trade would come after we've already picked. I really don't know the rule on that one.



Posted by King1:

The longer the Knicks wait which Walsh has a propensity to do the less value you get for Lee and Nate. You hsaould have traded them in the summer or draft night. I dont want to hear about the Memphis thinbg because it isnt true. Walsh has waited on the Marbury deal and getting some reinforcements in here sometimes waiting to long you lose

I agree it would be easier to get value for Nate/Lee in trade prior to the trade deadline. Come draft night or over the summer it's a tougher situation given their contract status. It's also why I would not be surprised to see either or both gone before the deadline.
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1/3/2009  11:40 PM
our problem isn't depth, its the lack of quality. We need to be trading up in these drafts, not back.
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