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4949
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1/3/2009  9:28 AM
Alright, I accept this season as another lost season. Losing to Indiana makes it all obvious. I'm not convinced that Chandler is our 'go to guy'. When D'Antoni changes the roster around, to get better on defense, suddenly we lose something on turnovers. 21 to be exact, that led to 24 points for the Pacers. That was the difference. What happened to the 'out shooting our opponents plan'? Thanks a lot Marbury. Thanks a lot Curry. Thanks a lot Jerome. Jeffries and Q aren't a big help either, neither is the all and powerful.............Tim! His big toe is no friend of mine either.

I made some bold predicts just before the season and rightfully so. But the roster got switched and so there go my predicts down the drain (and I shouldn't really complain about that). Unless something significant happens, I'd say we are lucky to win 30 games the rest of this year. This is just a hard luck team. I see Duhon putting up some good numbers consistently, at least on the offensive side, and Lee and Harrington contributing on a regular basis. Nate's been there for most of the season. but the 6 TOs by Du, and two 4 TOs by Chandler and Lee was highly unusual.

The point being, that if it's not one thing, then it's another with whoever they put out there. I can see it's all obvious now and I can also see that we are truly hurting because of the lack of defensive players and the fact that we are not playing anywhere near a full roster, with basically two spots open (Mobley and Marbury).

But the good news is, it is all for the long run. For 2010. We have cap, we will have more cap after this year and the year after. And if they can get rid of Crawford and Zach, then they certainly can get rid of Curry, I have no doubt. So I will throw in the towel for this season, sit back and enjoy what I can about the rest of this season and look forward to next season. The season we all start to smell blood.

As far as Galo playing this year? He said he thinks he can be ready to practice in a few weeks? I say DON'T DO IT! Why take a chance of wrecking his back further on a lost season already? I know we need help, but wouldn't it make sense to just get into what shape he can now and come back strong and more guaranteed next year? If he goes down, then there will probably be surgery, and then therapy to get it all back again. If he is in fact fragile, why not find out by following through with this kid rather then him being injured all the time and not knowing whether it was just a matter of more rest, more healing that could have made him into what he could've been? At least we'd know.

We seriously should have drafted a center. That's my only complaint so far with Walsh and D'Antoni. We'd at least have an inside defensive presence on this team. And those last two very close loses could have been wins.

And I can see why some of you (maybe half of you) would not want to put too much vested time into this season to begin with. It's an easier way out of the pain of going through it again. My pain tolerance is closing in on me. We do it our own ways, don't we?

[Edited by - 4949 on 01-03-2009 09:47 AM]
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/3/2009  9:56 AM
If you believe that each year your NBA team is fighting for the chip you are delusional.
Team which has a plan to win it all must go through growing pains, restructuring efforts, try and choose experiences, etc. It takes years of deliberate losing to get good young prospects and clean cup space to sign great players. And, yes, it can fail along the way for multiple reasons, and team will need to start it over again.
So be patient man. We are at the beginning of the road.
The fans responsibility is to stick with the team plan and enjoy the ride.
As for yesterday game - I am excited.
It was intense on our part almost all game.
Yes we made a lot of mistakes and we were bit a lot on defense.
But we can clearly see that 3 players we still are looking at (Chan, Lee, Nate) are growing and trying to became better (no matter to play for the Knicks or became good trade assets). We see Al and Duhon razing their book value too.
It's all good man... I feel we are going in right direction and we can also get good prospect in this year lottery. Live is GOOOOD.






[Edited by - arkrud on 01-03-2009 09:57 AM]
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1/3/2009  10:18 AM
holy roller coaster. Donnie is rebuilding. He all but said it at the beginning of the year.
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1/3/2009  10:25 AM
Glad to see the Knicks where they belong, on the losing end of games. Now if only they'd stop drafting dumb Europeans.
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1/3/2009  10:29 AM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Glad to see the Knicks where they belong, on the losing end of games. Now if only they'd stop drafting dumb Europeans.

Not Dumb... physically challenged.
Physically strong Europeans are not playing bbal. They are more in Soccer, Hockey, Volleyball, and Rugby.
Bbal is more of US sport for now. Hope it will get more traction with real Europeans athletes.


[Edited by - arkrud on 01-03-2009 10:30 AM]
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1/3/2009  10:31 AM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Glad to see the Knicks where they belong, on the losing end of games. Now if only they'd stop drafting dumb Europeans.

Not Dumb... physically challenged.
Physically strong Europeans are not playing bbal. They are more in Soccer, Hockey, Volleyball, and Rugby.
Bbal is more of US sport for now. Hope it will get more traction with real Europeans athletes.


[Edited by - arkrud on 01-03-2009 10:30 AM]

Then why was Gallinari touted as if he was different from the rest of the Euros in the NBA, one that was physically tough and aggressive ? All they had to do was admit it wasn't true.
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1/3/2009  10:33 AM
Well, I put it out there. and get back a 'learning lesson speech, a shot to the ribs and a poster who appears to be bias.'
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/3/2009  10:36 AM
Don't panic.
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1/3/2009  10:38 AM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Glad to see the Knicks where they belong, on the losing end of games. Now if only they'd stop drafting dumb Europeans.

Not Dumb... physically challenged.
Physically strong Europeans are not playing bbal. They are more in Soccer, Hockey, Volleyball, and Rugby.
Bbal is more of US sport for now. Hope it will get more traction with real Europeans athletes.


[Edited by - arkrud on 01-03-2009 10:30 AM]

Then why was Gallinari touted as if he was different from the rest of the Euros in the NBA, one that was physically tough and aggressive ? All they had to do was admit it wasn't true.

Marketing is always better than truth. Don't believe in advertisements. They are always a lie.
They will admit it when it will became clear to them. Hope dies last.


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1/3/2009  10:40 AM
Posted by 4949:

Well, I put it out there. and get back a 'learning lesson speech, a shot to the ribs and a poster who appears to be bias.'

Why not to enjoy what is given to you instead of being miserable with unreal expectations?
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1/3/2009  10:40 AM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Glad to see the Knicks where they belong, on the losing end of games. Now if only they'd stop drafting dumb Europeans.

Not Dumb... physically challenged.
Physically strong Europeans are not playing bbal. They are more in Soccer, Hockey, Volleyball, and Rugby.
Bbal is more of US sport for now. Hope it will get more traction with real Europeans athletes.


[Edited by - arkrud on 01-03-2009 10:30 AM]

Then why was Gallinari touted as if he was different from the rest of the Euros in the NBA, one that was physically tough and aggressive ? All they had to do was admit it wasn't true.

Marketing is always better than truth. Don't believe in advertisements. They are always a lie.
They will admit it when it will became clear to them. Hope dies last.

Marketing is better than the truth, until that truth is revealed. It took one drive attempt against Tractor Curry to falsify Gallinari's toughness.
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1/3/2009  10:42 AM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Glad to see the Knicks where they belong, on the losing end of games. Now if only they'd stop drafting dumb Europeans.

Not Dumb... physically challenged.
Physically strong Europeans are not playing bbal. They are more in Soccer, Hockey, Volleyball, and Rugby.
Bbal is more of US sport for now. Hope it will get more traction with real Europeans athletes.


[Edited by - arkrud on 01-03-2009 10:30 AM]

Then why was Gallinari touted as if he was different from the rest of the Euros in the NBA, one that was physically tough and aggressive ? All they had to do was admit it wasn't true.

Marketing is always better than truth. Don't believe in advertisements. They are always a lie.
They will admit it when it will became clear to them. Hope dies last.

There's some truth to that. Most everyone seemed to be neutral on the pick when it happened. Not overly excited about it. All well. We have a long history of lousy drafting and we had worse. Let's see if Galo comes back.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/3/2009  10:42 AM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Glad to see the Knicks where they belong, on the losing end of games. Now if only they'd stop drafting dumb Europeans.

Not Dumb... physically challenged.
Physically strong Europeans are not playing bbal. They are more in Soccer, Hockey, Volleyball, and Rugby.
Bbal is more of US sport for now. Hope it will get more traction with real Europeans athletes.


[Edited by - arkrud on 01-03-2009 10:30 AM]

Then why was Gallinari touted as if he was different from the rest of the Euros in the NBA, one that was physically tough and aggressive ? All they had to do was admit it wasn't true.

Marketing is always better than truth. Don't believe in advertisements. They are always a lie.
They will admit it when it will became clear to them. Hope dies last.

Marketing is better than the truth, until that truth is revealed. It took one drive attempt against Tractor Curry to falsify Gallinari's toughness.

Toughness is not strength and not health. Toughness is mental ability of a man to overcome natural weakness and health problems. And if Galo has it or not is to be seen.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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1/3/2009  10:46 AM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Glad to see the Knicks where they belong, on the losing end of games. Now if only they'd stop drafting dumb Europeans.

Not Dumb... physically challenged.
Physically strong Europeans are not playing bbal. They are more in Soccer, Hockey, Volleyball, and Rugby.
Bbal is more of US sport for now. Hope it will get more traction with real Europeans athletes.


[Edited by - arkrud on 01-03-2009 10:30 AM]

Then why was Gallinari touted as if he was different from the rest of the Euros in the NBA, one that was physically tough and aggressive ? All they had to do was admit it wasn't true.

Marketing is always better than truth. Don't believe in advertisements. They are always a lie.
They will admit it when it will became clear to them. Hope dies last.

Marketing is better than the truth, until that truth is revealed. It took one drive attempt against Tractor Curry to falsify Gallinari's toughness.

Toughness is not strength and not health. Toughness is mental ability of a man to overcome natural weakness and health problems. And if Galo has it or not is to be seen.

You're talking about the mental, that has yet to be seen. We already know he doesn't have the toughness that stems from the physical.
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1/3/2009  10:46 AM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by 4949:

Well, I put it out there. and get back a 'learning lesson speech, a shot to the ribs and a poster who appears to be bias.'

Why not to enjoy what is given to you instead of being miserable with unreal expectations?

It seems to me that you think I'm miserable. I'm not. I was merely stating my latest state of mind. Mind you, I was calm when I wrote what I wrote. I'm simply not going to put too much into the rest of this season. We will most likely lose the next game and expect them to barely win against the 3 win team after. And I won't be shocked if they actually lost to that 3 win team. I'm just saying that it's all obvious. Not to ruin anyone else's game. But I'm not angry. I understand what's happening and we just have to wait.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/3/2009  10:54 AM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

You're talking about the mental, that has yet to be seen. We already know he doesn't have the toughness that stems from the physical.

dude, he got hurt. Happens all the time. Don't mean he lacks physical toughness.

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1/3/2009  10:59 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

You're talking about the mental, that has yet to be seen. We already know he doesn't have the toughness that stems from the physical.

dude, he got hurt. Happens all the time. Don't mean he lacks physical toughness.

Isn't skepticism respected with this organization ?
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1/3/2009  11:01 AM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by martin:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

You're talking about the mental, that has yet to be seen. We already know he doesn't have the toughness that stems from the physical.

dude, he got hurt. Happens all the time. Don't mean he lacks physical toughness.

Isn't skepticism respected with this organization ?

skepticism, sure. But you pronounced Gallo to have no toughness. We have no clue what he's got cause he hasn't played.
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1/3/2009  11:02 AM
My issue is this: if we are going to be mediocre, why not just tank and get the top draft pick or at least the #2 or #3? Why keep settling for #6, #7, or #8???? It doesn't do us any good.

I know a lot of people on the board are against tanking, but look at what it did for Houston and Cleveland. When there is talent coming into the draft I think it is definitely worth it. Winning meaningless games also cost us a shot at Mayo - remember that?

This is not a playoff team, and it is definitely not a championship team. As martin said, we are rebuilding, and I think you need to do that with solid draft picks and augment it with a few trades and free agent signings.
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1/3/2009  11:02 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by martin:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

You're talking about the mental, that has yet to be seen. We already know he doesn't have the toughness that stems from the physical.

dude, he got hurt. Happens all the time. Don't mean he lacks physical toughness.

Isn't skepticism respected with this organization ?

skepticism, sure. But you pronounced Gallo to have no toughness. We have no clue what he's got cause he hasn't played.

And what barely little we saw of him, he looked promising.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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