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12/31/2008  5:40 PM
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Kosta Koufus and our 2010 pick back
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12/31/2008  6:26 PM
Kosta is gonna be a good player and Utah currently has 2 above average power fwds.

Good try though......I'd love to get Kosta.
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Posted by EnySpree:

Kosta is gonna be a good player and Utah currently has 2 above average power fwds.

Good try though......I'd love to get Kosta.

Well it looks like they lost Boozer for the year. I don't see them resigning Boozer and they have Ocur at C and they can use Fazenko as a back up

Id be willing to throw in Malik Rose and Take back Harpring and a second round pick to sweeten it up. That gives them the space to resign Millsap and Lee comfortably and let Boozer walk.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 12-31-2008 6:47 PM]
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Posted by BRIGGS:

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Kosta Koufus and our 2010 pick back

When nobody wanted Lopez, this is the other guy I pushed for.
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Posted by BRIGGS:

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Kosta Koufus and our 2010 pick back

I don't know Koufus's game at all but damn if I want to watch him play 82 games a year with that nose.

Seriously - we know what we have in Lee his biggest downside is his potential contract.

I'm not sure I'd trade him for 2 unknown quantities.

If we are going to sign 1 maybe 2 superstars in Summer of 2010 -- that 2010 1st round pick may not be as important because we will be in win now mode and no mid 1st round rookie is going to play serious minutes on a team looking to compete right away.

I like the idea of trading Lee but I want more established young players that will be ready as 4-5 year NBA vets come the 2010 season.

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1/1/2009  5:30 PM
Utah might be interested because they will probably lose Boozer. BUt I doubt they give us our pick back and Koufus, unless they have already concluded that Koufus is not going to be a good player, which I doubt is the case. We definitely should try it as Koufus is a center and can probably fit in a MDA offense.
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1/1/2009  9:46 PM
Utah would definitely be interested in D Lee, & i can definitely see them giving us our pick back for him... dunno if they would include Koufos in the deal but at least this one's a ton better than that Malik for Almond, Harpring, 1st rd & 2nd rd picks idea u posted last week.

Koufos & Almond for Lee i can see them doing for sure, but that's a big risk to take if you're the Knicks... u'd be giving up our best trade commodity for 2 unproven kids who may or may not be good players in the NBA... still, Koufos is only 19 & does show some promise at C, which is our biggest position of need right now... still it puzzles me why u would propose a deal like this when you've been on record this whole time saying that gutting our roster would make us an unattractive team for a bigname FA in 2010 to come to.
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Posted by TMS:

Utah would definitely be interested in D Lee, & i can definitely see them giving us our pick back for him... dunno if they would include Koufos in the deal but at least this one's a ton better than that Malik for Almond, Harpring, 1st rd & 2nd rd picks idea u posted last week.

Koufos & Almond for Lee i can see them doing for sure, but that's a big risk to take if you're the Knicks... u'd be giving up our best trade commodity for 2 unproven kids who may or may not be good players in the NBA... still, Koufos is only 19 & does show some promise at C, which is our biggest position of need right now... still it puzzles me why u would propose a deal like this when you've been on record this whole time saying that gutting our roster would make us an unattractive team for a bigname FA in 2010 to come to.

Simple for me: Malik on his own in a trade isn't getting us that 2010 1st rounder back IMO. But now if we include Lee, now I think it makes more sense - Knick fans SHOULD now expect that pick back in return. I actually like both of Briggs' ideas here - why not go all in with both ideas - see if they'd be interested in doing something like Lee and Malik for Harpring, Koufos, Almond and that 2010 pick. Maybe include Roberson to make it an even 3 for 3. Monitor the Marcus Williams situation in GS as well - I wouldn't mind at all if we picked him up on a trial basis as well somehow. Think BIG & BROAD here Donnie. Make some stuff happen here.

1 - Duhon
2 - Almond
3 - Chandler (back at the 3 where he probably belongs)
4 - ????? (we'd need a 4 with Lee gone - maybe Bosh turns out to be our guy now in 2010)
5 - Koufos
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Gallinari
Marcus Williams
2009 1st rounder
2010 1st rounder
2010 2nd rounder

We'd need to tighten that up a little bit and fill out the roster properly along the way but that wouldn't be bad at all. Good, attractive young core with a lot of possibilities to move forward with (out of this group, Duhon's suddenly the oldest at only 26). We'd have 2 PGs that are skilled at distributing the ball, a big young strong 2-guard that can shoot & score, Chandler returns to the 3 where he belongs and should continue to develop & excel on both ends of the floor - he isn't quite Bruce Bowen defensively but he could be the defensive stopper for this team in a sense - a guy to take the toughest defensive assignment night in & night out (all good teams have a guy like that), Koufos becomes the center we need with a wide array of skills and plenty of pluses (legit 7 footer, agile & can move well, can rebound a little and block a shot or two, can put it on the floor and he has a really nice touch around the basket out to maybe 20' - looks like he just needs to get a little stronger and develop more of an upper body). In 29 mins. in a win over Dallas the day after Christmas Koufos had a very good game: 18 pts. (8-11 FG, 2-3 FT), 8 rebs., and a block. Robinson and Gallo for some firepower & versatility off the bench... Now say we developed that core into next year, drafted well and then added Chris Bosh to that. Even if we missed out on LeBron, that would still be a well-rounded squad. I'd go to war with that.


[Edited by - finestrg on 01-01-2009 11:15 PM]
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1/1/2009  10:48 PM
Lee and Malik for Harpring, Koufos, Almond and that 2010 pick.

if u include Lee in the package i can see that & i would sign off on that deal in a second if i were the Knicks... i think Utah would be interested in a deal like that as well... they're not looking to build up with youth anymore, they have the pieces in place now to contend, they just need more depth for the playoff run... i've always like Matt Harpring & even tho he's relegated to spot duty these days i still think he brings a lot to the table, certainly more than what Malik has been giving this team... & he's a pretty tenacious defender & smart ball player... he would provide some nice backup depth at the wing position for Harrington & Chandler... both those guys would have to seriously step up their game on the boards after this trade to make up for Lee's absence but it's obviously a deal u make for the future, not for the present.

C - Curry / Jefferies / Koufos
PF - Harrington / Fugazy / Gallinari
SF - Chandler / Harpring / Ewing Jr.
SG - Q Rich / Almond
PG - Duhon / Nate

+ our '09 draft pick & a '10 1st round & 2nd round pick... we'll still suck but i can live w/that w/no problems at all this year & next.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-01-2009 7:49 PM]
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1/2/2009  8:28 AM
Lee for our pick back is interesting but I'd be more willing to see if we can use Lee to get rid of Curry first. We don't know how valuable that pick will become and I bet Utah will feel the same and would be more inclined to keep it anyway.

Of course the Boozer situation in Utah might end up messy for them and they could end up with a hole at PF as a result yet trading Lee becomes a whole lot more complicated once the trade deadline passes so if anything is to happen it will happen within the next 7 weeks.
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Posted by Cosmic:

Lee for our pick back is interesting but I'd be more willing to see if we can use Lee to get rid of Curry first. We don't know how valuable that pick will become and I bet Utah will feel the same and would be more inclined to keep it anyway.

Of course the Boozer situation in Utah might end up messy for them and they could end up with a hole at PF as a result yet trading Lee becomes a whole lot more complicated once the trade deadline passes so if anything is to happen it will happen within the next 7 weeks.

At this point trading Lee for Koufus and our pick would be a coup. We would likely have to trade Malik for Harpring to help something like this get done. No one is taking Curry--he cant even play. In 6 weeks we can either bank on paying David Lee 60mm$ or losing him for nothing. Unfortunately teams know this.
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1/2/2009  11:32 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Cosmic:

Lee for our pick back is interesting but I'd be more willing to see if we can use Lee to get rid of Curry first. We don't know how valuable that pick will become and I bet Utah will feel the same and would be more inclined to keep it anyway.

Of course the Boozer situation in Utah might end up messy for them and they could end up with a hole at PF as a result yet trading Lee becomes a whole lot more complicated once the trade deadline passes so if anything is to happen it will happen within the next 7 weeks.

At this point trading Lee for Koufus and our pick would be a coup. We would likely have to trade Malik for Harpring to help something like this get done. No one is taking Curry--he cant even play. In 6 weeks we can either bank on paying David Lee 60mm$ or losing him for nothing. Unfortunately teams know this.

True. Yet what if we could dump Curry with Lee somehow? What if we're a halfway decent team in 09/10 and the pick is in the teens? Would it then have been worth it? Is this Koufus you speak of work it?

I just don't know. I was hoping for one more excellent salary dump from Walsh before the deadline and I was thinking it would probably include Lee to get it done. If there is none to be had then I guess in the final hours you approach Utah with such a proposition - as again with Boozer going belly up for them - they'd probably entertain the thought at the very least.

However, if they believe we're going to be terrible in 09/10, they're more likely to sit and hold that pick and wonder if they can actually win the lottery with it. Do they view David Lee as so valuable as to pass up that chance?

There's a lot of questions on both sides here for that idea.
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1/2/2009  11:39 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Cosmic:

Lee for our pick back is interesting but I'd be more willing to see if we can use Lee to get rid of Curry first. We don't know how valuable that pick will become and I bet Utah will feel the same and would be more inclined to keep it anyway.

Of course the Boozer situation in Utah might end up messy for them and they could end up with a hole at PF as a result yet trading Lee becomes a whole lot more complicated once the trade deadline passes so if anything is to happen it will happen within the next 7 weeks.

At this point trading Lee for Koufus and our pick would be a coup. We would likely have to trade Malik for Harpring to help something like this get done. No one is taking Curry--he cant even play. In 6 weeks we can either bank on paying David Lee 60mm$ or losing him for nothing. Unfortunately teams know this.

I'd be shocked if we lost him for nothing. There are plenty of teams around the league that are close to taking the next step that could use his services. There will be offers. The Knicks aren't completely over the barrel here - Lee should still garner quite a bit of interest around the league as the deadline approaches by teams that are (a) possibly a player or two away or maybe need a rebounder and (b) interested in winning and possibly making a playoff push. If Donnie really has no intention of bringing him back, it's up to him to seek out and take the best offer that makes sense for the Knicks. Now with a remote destination like Utah, there's always the risk of Lee and his agent coming out and pulling the same thing they did with Memphis (indicating they wouldn't sign an extention there). But unlike the Grizzles, that Utah club is more than decent and built to win now for the most part - hopefully Lee would want to go play with Deron Williams, AK-47, Millsap, Okur... And for the Jazz and Larry Miller, Lee would make a real nice addition there and together with Millsap it'd give them the coverage at the 4 in case Boozer walks, possibly even saving them at least $5 mil. a season moving forward (Lee's probably in the $10 mil. dollar range, Boozer's gonna be looking for $15/yr.) plus Boozer already came out and said he's opting out of his deal to test the waters - you figure Utah might be looking to do some damage control now. Acquiring Lee could help them cover a potentially huge loss for money that makes a lot more sense for them than what they'd have to shell out for Boozer.

Together with the Malik for Harpring & Almond angle (which'll help save Larry Miller another $6.5 mil. next year + the lux. tax like you've pointed out) I think this is really a fair trade for both teams. Utah gets huge financial relief on two fronts plus a good player in Lee, a nice cost-effective replacement for Boozer, for basically an unknown quantity at this point in Koufus and that 2010 pick back - Harpring's a big throw in (though I like him for the rest of this yr. and next yr. - he's tough and plays hard - it wouldn't kill me to watch Matt Harpring play for us for the rest of this yr. and next yr.) and Morris Almond who they have no intention of developing anyway. Almond in a D'Antoni system continues to intrigue the hell out of me. But it still boils down to Lee for Koufus and that pick and I think that's a fair trade.
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1/2/2009  12:18 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Cosmic:

Lee for our pick back is interesting but I'd be more willing to see if we can use Lee to get rid of Curry first. We don't know how valuable that pick will become and I bet Utah will feel the same and would be more inclined to keep it anyway.

Of course the Boozer situation in Utah might end up messy for them and they could end up with a hole at PF as a result yet trading Lee becomes a whole lot more complicated once the trade deadline passes so if anything is to happen it will happen within the next 7 weeks.

At this point trading Lee for Koufus and our pick would be a coup. We would likely have to trade Malik for Harpring to help something like this get done. No one is taking Curry--he cant even play. In 6 weeks we can either bank on paying David Lee 60mm$ or losing him for nothing. Unfortunately teams know this.


So basically you want to trade Lee while his value is low. Wouldn't it stand to reason that his value would be higher once he signs a long-term deal determined by the free agent market? And so, we should wait, match any offer he signs, and THEN trade him? At least according to your reasoning for wanting to trade him?
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1/2/2009  12:55 PM
Posted by 30andOverClub:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Cosmic:

Lee for our pick back is interesting but I'd be more willing to see if we can use Lee to get rid of Curry first. We don't know how valuable that pick will become and I bet Utah will feel the same and would be more inclined to keep it anyway.

Of course the Boozer situation in Utah might end up messy for them and they could end up with a hole at PF as a result yet trading Lee becomes a whole lot more complicated once the trade deadline passes so if anything is to happen it will happen within the next 7 weeks.

At this point trading Lee for Koufus and our pick would be a coup. We would likely have to trade Malik for Harpring to help something like this get done. No one is taking Curry--he cant even play. In 6 weeks we can either bank on paying David Lee 60mm$ or losing him for nothing. Unfortunately teams know this.


So basically you want to trade Lee while his value is low. Wouldn't it stand to reason that his value would be higher once he signs a long-term deal determined by the free agent market? And so, we should wait, match any offer he signs, and THEN trade him? At least according to your reasoning for wanting to trade him?

'cause if we're the ones that overpay him we price ourselves out of 2010 FA market and maybe out of a chance to trade him. That's the concern here. And if he were to get big money from another team and we S&T him again we're going to price ourselves out of the 2010 FA.

He's going to get big bucks and I don't think he's worth his new impending contract. So I agree with those seeking to trade him. Just don't trade him for trash that's all. Either use him to get rid of our own trash or use him creatively such us getting back our 2010 pick and a young prospect.
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I took the liberty of throwing this idea up on the ESPN Utah Jazz board to get the Utah fans' perspective.

http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sType=mblist&tsn=1&tid=4085110&st=1&sport=nba&id=uth
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Posted by Finestrg:

I took the liberty of throwing this idea up on the ESPN Utah Jazz board to get the Utah fans' perspective.

http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sType=mblist&tsn=1&tid=4085110&st=1&sport=nba&id=uth



I like it except for koufos The kid has alot of potential, and I want to see him here.



Take collins and you got a deal

LOL! that's pretty hilarious.
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by Finestrg:

I took the liberty of throwing this idea up on the ESPN Utah Jazz board to get the Utah fans' perspective.

http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sType=mblist&tsn=1&tid=4085110&st=1&sport=nba&id=uth



I like it except for koufos The kid has alot of potential, and I want to see him here.



Take collins and you got a deal

LOL! that's pretty hilarious.

HA! I know right? Can you throw in a bag of rocks too while you're at it Jazzman2028?? Jarron F'in Collins. Come on bro..

Although I can see a Jazz fan wanting to hold onto to Koufos. That's understandably I guess...

Knicks could always throw in our 2010 2nd rounder as a sweetener...


[Edited by - finestrg on 01-02-2009 1:16 PM]
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1/2/2009  1:25 PM
yeah i can understand wanting to hold onto a promising 19 yo C prospect, but those fans gotta get real... D Lee is the best player in this deal by far right now... like my man Deejay says in Hustle & Flow - "if u want quality, you gots to pay for that mang"
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