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CrushAlot
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12/22/2008  9:59 AM
I got this stuff off the net after doing a few checks on his background. 2004, 2005,2007,and now 2008 he had health issues that caused him to miss time. He's 20. He started playing at 15. 5 years playing suffered injurys 4 seasons. Also check his numbers and his competition. Also how many games. I want him to do well. So here is his history.

Gallinari's career was put on hold for several months after the 2004 Euro Camp, as doctors advised him to stop playing basketball due to rapid growth problems. With that illness in check, he performed capably in the Italian League's fourth division for Edimes Pavia in 2005-06. He started 16 of 17 games at the two-guard position, averaging 13.4 points and 3.1 rebounds per game. He showed off his long-range scoring ability, as he made 34-of-73 three-point attempts (46.6 percent), in addition to handing out 13 assists and blocking nine shots, earning Italian Cadet Lega (League) MVP honors.

In 2005, Gallinari was acquired by Armani Jeans Milano, which then sent him to Edimes Pavia, a team competing in the Italian League Second Division championship during the 2005-2006 season, so that he could earn more experience with extended playing minutes. Even though he played only half of the season due to an injury, in 2006 he was nominated as the best Italian player of the Italian League Second Division championship, averaging 14.3 points, 3.4 rebounds, 2.0 steals, and 0.8 assists in 17 games.[2]

Gallinari has been a member of the Under-16 and Under-18 junior men's Italian national basketball teams. He played at the 2004 FIBA Europe Under-16 Championship and he won the bronze medal at the 2005 FIBA Europe Under-18 Championship. He was also selected as a member of the senior men's Italian national basketball team for the 2007 European Championship, but he was forced to withdraw due to an injury that he suffered during the preparation before the tournament.kane2021
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12/22/2008  10:39 AM
Well the 2004 'rapid growth problems' hardly sounds like an injury at all - sounds more like your average growing pains to me that every human being endures. Then again I'm no doctor... And what was the 2007 injury that forced him to withdraw from the Euro. Championship? Not trying to make excuses for the guy - if you know more specifically what the injuries were, let us know Crush. Now I'm curious.
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12/22/2008  11:05 AM
Gallinari has alot to prove regarding his health. I have to believe this guy is soft. These 5 months seems like an extremely long time for someone to be out with a "mild" back injury when they allegedly had no previous back injuries and they are only 20 years old. DG is going to get hit like he did in SL every game. If this is the result, this guy may be a wasted pick. This would be a great time to see him play because we are still shorthanded.
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12/22/2008  11:19 AM
I guess well see if your right. If the guy is soft then it is what it is, we get a bum. Its still way too early to close the door on him right now
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12/22/2008  11:27 AM
Posted by TheGame:

Gallinari has alot to prove regarding his health. I have to believe this guy is soft. These 5 months seems like an extremely long time for someone to be out with a "mild" back injury when they allegedly had no previous back injuries and they are only 20 years old. DG is going to get hit like he did in SL every game. If this is the result, this guy may be a wasted pick. This would be a great time to see him play because we are still shorthanded.

actually this would be a great time for him to be following doctors' advice to get the back as structurally sound as possible. if they've been prescribing rest, as indicated, then that's what he should be doing.
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12/22/2008  11:30 AM
Rushing him back because we are shorthanded would be a very unfortunate thing to do. Gallinari is part of our long-term future. Whether he plays the next 10 games is not going to determine how he will play for us in the future. Being fully recovered from injury will.
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12/22/2008  12:00 PM
What were the specific injuries?

This back issue is a serious thing though. You don't sit out six months and still have it taken slowly with you if it weren't. There is no wishful thinking here and anytime it's an injury that requires "rest" you can bet it's going to flare up at times down the road.

If this kid never gets out there and produces it's going to be a bad thing. We could have used the draft pick in another direction - even using it to get rid of McCurry or Ared Effries in the process. This potentially holds back our rebuild in more ways than one.

I still can't believe with a franchise in dire straits they'd risk the pick on Gallo. Yet, we did and we now live with it.
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12/22/2008  12:08 PM
Ok, I'll say it: BUST
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12/22/2008  12:29 PM
Way to go out on a limb there isles.
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12/22/2008  12:41 PM
Posted by kam77:

Way to go out on a limb there isles.

I was mocking Il Busto well before the draft.

But hey, he played against real men for a few games, in the great Euroleague, before he inevitably got hurt, so obviously it was a sensible pick for a rebuilding franchise.
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12/22/2008  1:07 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by kam77:

Way to go out on a limb there isles.

I was mocking Il Busto well before the draft.

But hey, he played against real men for a few games, in the great Euroleague, before he inevitably got hurt, so obviously it was a sensible pick for a rebuilding franchise.

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12/22/2008  1:09 PM
Posted by 93BUICK:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by kam77:

Way to go out on a limb there isles.

I was mocking Il Busto well before the draft.

But hey, he played against real men for a few games, in the great Euroleague, before he inevitably got hurt, so obviously it was a sensible pick for a rebuilding franchise.

I hope you're wrong and fear you're right. But mostly hope you're wrong.

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12/22/2008  1:16 PM
Someone on realgm posted this.

2004 - He was 15 and missed several months due to doctors telling him not to play so he doesn't have complications during a growth spurt
2006 - Broken foot
2007 - Knee sprain, He had to miss the tourny because the injury happened so close to it.

It doesn't look like he has a history of injury problems. All of the stuff listed seems pretty routine.

heh, the Knee Srain in 07 was from him slipping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk8AwFbRYzM
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12/22/2008  1:18 PM
ha. you guys are so mean.

5 issues here.

1. is the guys' back terminally f'd up?
we don't know. the signs aren’t great, but they're not definitive in either direction.

2. did he have a previous back injury?
we don't know. there are no clear indications of that yet.

3. did the knicks know he had a back injury and draft him anyway?
we don’t know. go read #2 again and stop asking stupid questions.

4. can the guy play?
of course the guy can f'g play! go back and watch the 2nd half of his summer league game. the guy's a flat killer. bunch of haters.

5. was he a good gamble?
hell yes. 6'10" with that handle and that shot in 's system. documented presence, ballsiness, leadership at such a young age. who the hell else was so great and available at 6? joe f'g alexander? anthony "i'm on the trading block" randolph?

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12/22/2008  1:23 PM
Posted by Marv:

ha. you guys are so mean.

5 issues here.

1. is the guys' back terminally f'd up?
we don't know. the signs aren’t great, but they're not definitive in either direction.

2. did he have a previous back injury?
we don't know. there are no clear indications of that yet.

3. did the knicks know he had a back injury and draft him anyway?
we don’t know. go read #2 again and stop asking stupid questions.

4. can the guy play?
of course the guy can f'g play! go back and watch the 2nd half of his summer league game. the guy's a flat killer. bunch of haters.

5. was he a good gamble?
hell yes. 6'10" with that handle and that shot in 's system. documented presence, ballsiness, leadership at such a young age. who the hell else was so great and available at 6? joe f'g alexander? anthony "i'm on the trading block" randolph?

quitcha bitchin’!!!

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12/22/2008  1:26 PM
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12/22/2008  1:28 PM
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12/22/2008  1:34 PM
Posted by TheGame:

Gallinari has alot to prove regarding his health. I have to believe this guy is soft. These 5 months seems like an extremely long time for someone to be out with a "mild" back injury when they allegedly had no previous back injuries and they are only 20 years old. DG is going to get hit like he did in SL every game. If this is the result, this guy may be a wasted pick. This would be a great time to see him play because we are still shorthanded.
Remember a guy named J.R. Richards, the Houston Astros pitcher? He was criticized big time for a condition (a dead arm) which some people claimed he did not have or was in his head. I can just imagine how some of you guys would have posted comments about how "soft" he was and that he should pitch through the pain, had you been fans of the Astros at that time. Then he has a stroke from a blood clot, almost dies, and his career is over.

You watch Gallinari play in the Italian clips, and you see a guy who goes all out and ends up on the floor on a frequent basis. Hardly a soft player, but if you try to play through the wrong type of injury, you will only make things worse, which is what happened when he came back too early the first time.

I will be very pissed off if his injury is career altering and keeps him from playing like he can when in perfect health, but it is too early to call him a bust.

I am still puzzled about how he got the injury. One of my former athletes (I am a HS wrestling coach) who competes in college, recently indicated that he had a bulging disc. I did not discuss it much with him, but I expect that he got it from working out too hard and putting stress on it while lifting weights and wrestling This kid is one of the best athletes I have ever worked with, and is also a personal trainer, so it stunned me when I discovered he had this kind of injury, but I know he works out a lot, wrestles, and does some MMA stuff on the side, Gallinari does not compete in the sports my kid does, but I had heard that he was a "workout warrior" prior to the Summer League. I wonder if this is the origin of DG's back, and not the Traylor fall. Perhaps he overworked his back.

You just have to make sure he is completely healthy when he starts playing hard, and hope that his injury is healed.

The type of stuff I hear on this site sometimes just shows the ignorance of some of the folks who post, nothing more. I assume that if he turns out to be a great player some day they guys who were critical will man up an admit they were wrong.
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12/22/2008  1:42 PM
Posted by SlimPack:

Someone on realgm posted this.

2004 - He was 15 and missed several months due to doctors telling him not to play so he doesn't have complications during a growth spurt
2006 - Broken foot
2007 - Knee sprain, He had to miss the tourny because the injury happened so close to it.

It doesn't look like he has a history of injury problems. All of the stuff listed seems pretty routine.

heh, the Knee Srain in 07 was from him slipping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk8AwFbRYzM

There, good news at least, but all of this is pointless if his back is going to be a continuous lingering issue that will flare up at any time.

This team is doing the fans a disservice by not telling the media what exactly has gone on with Gallo. It's almost like it's one big secret. All we hear is "maybe" it was a bulging disk and "it needs rest". Well, six months is a heck of a long time to rest any injury that's said to not be serious and not need surgery.

So what gives? What's the truth on this thing? Why is it he's gone through his third "we will re-evaluate in 4-6 weeks" only for us to hear he needs another 4-6 weeks of rest? LOL? Come'on now.

This secretive crap makes you worry. If all was well they'd tell us. Well, it's not. What next? He gets out there and gets banged up and back on the shelf with a bad back? Yeah, it sure seems like that's a possibility.

Then we got another useless asset - a wasted pick - that has no value whatsoever.
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12/22/2008  2:00 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by 93BUICK:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by kam77:

Way to go out on a limb there isles.

I was mocking Il Busto well before the draft.

But hey, he played against real men for a few games, in the great Euroleague, before he inevitably got hurt, so obviously it was a sensible pick for a rebuilding franchise.

I hope you're wrong and fear you're right. But mostly hope you're wrong.

isles is always wrong. i can remember his "isiah will save the knicks" thread he made back in 2004...

Hey we all make mistakes, what about your "Don Nelson will be even better than Pat Riley" thread?

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Gallinari's health history from realgm poster

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