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King1
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12/18/2008  11:40 AM
You have Lee playing the 5 and since the trade he has outplayed McGee,Oden, Wallace, Biedrins, Bynum, Horford, Ben Wallace, Jason Thompson. Illgauskas they played even. Shaq had 23-12 vs Lee 15-12, and Gooden outplayed him in Chicago with 22-16 vs Lee 11-15. Bogut had 14-17 vs Lee 13-12. Out of the last 14 games we have been outplayed by opposing centers 4 times. I still cant see where it is easier to replace a top 10 rebounder than a 15 points a game Robinson. It is funny Lee is outplaying guy making 10-13 million and most people think he is worth a MLE.
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12/18/2008  11:42 AM
Posted by King1:

and most people think he is worth a MLE.

Why do you continue to say stupid stuff like this? Who?
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12/18/2008  11:42 AM
Nobody thinks he is worth a MLE.. Most people want to keep both Lee and Nate
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12/18/2008  11:44 AM
I don't get your comparison. Lee might be playing the 5 but he is clearly not a center. His defense is getting better but he is not what you would call "a presence" in the middle. I like Lee a lot and hope we can find a way to keep him, but he is not your prototypical center.

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12/18/2008  11:48 AM
It is funny Lee is outplaying guy making 10-13 million

Camby's outplaying D Lee in almost every statline except points (11 pts. / 12.4 reb. / 3 blks. / 2.2 asts. vs. 14.3 pts. / 10.6 reb. / 0.3 blk. / 1.8 asts. ) while playing All NBA 1st team calibre defense & makes $7 mil per... ur crazy if u think D Lee's gonna get anywhere close to 13 mil a year... i would guess he's gonna get a deal at ~$9 mil per on the average.
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12/18/2008  11:48 AM
I totally agree he isnt a center if he was at the four and they have a defensive minded center it would make us better. Jeffires is going to make 7 at the end of his contract, and a lot of people on this board has said Lee isnt worth 8-10 million so what is his worth a MLE?
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12/18/2008  11:50 AM
Posted by King1:

I totally agree he isnt a center if he was at the four and they have a defensive minded center it would make us better. Jeffires is going to make 7 at the end of his contract, and a lot of people on this board has said Lee isnt worth 8-10 million so what is his worth a MLE?

King, I think you are severely generalizing the whole entire board because maybe a couple people said Lee isn't worth 8-10. It's not fair.

I personally would offer Lee 5yrs/45mill.
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12/18/2008  11:50 AM
I have never said Lee is going to get anything over 10 million. I have maintained that the Knicks could have gotten him for 8 and that would have been a steal and now he will get more than eight. I have never said Lee deserves 13 million.
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12/18/2008  11:51 AM
I havnt seen one person on this board say Lee is not worth 8-10 million
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12/18/2008  11:51 AM
if they have, they are stupid
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12/18/2008  11:51 AM
Most people are worried he will command 10M+ per year. Truth is, he probably can. That's what people worry about. Now if we could get rid of Jeffries and Curry soon then maybe we CAN just pull it off where we CAN resign Duhon,Lee,Nate,Chandler - and 1 premier 2010 and 1 premier 2011 free agents and have a heck of a go at it in 2011-2012 season.

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12/18/2008  11:52 AM
TMS if you can name one outplaying him I can name 10 players making over 8 million that Lee beats in every category
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12/18/2008  11:52 AM
A few weeks ago I said we should offer Lee this deal with million dollar raises each year so that his cap figure will be 7 mil in 2010.

6mil
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51mil for 6 yrs (8.5 per) with options as soon as 2011 so he can opt out for even more

If he wants to get greedy he should know he's hurting the Knicks chances of getting a guy who can turn Lee into a much bigger star. LeBron lifts all ships. Nobody knew who Mo Williams or Delonte West was (at least the casual fan didn't) before they joined the Cavs.
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12/18/2008  11:54 AM
How can you ever say Lee is greedy they let him get to RFA this is a business now it is time to get paid.
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12/18/2008  11:59 AM
Posted by King1:

TMS if you can name one outplaying him I can name 10 players making over 8 million that Lee beats in every category

i just said he'd likely garner a $9 mil deal... if u think he's gonna make more than that i think u'r nuts... he's a horrible defender & doesn't have a developed offensive game... he's a deluxe garbage points offensive player, a premier rebounder & plays good team basketball... he's not an Allstar & he's not getting any $10 mil+ offers from any team... if he does, why in the Hell would u want him anyways? that money would be much better used attracting a FA to NY in 2010.
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12/18/2008  11:59 AM
Lee's per is pretty even while playing center.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08NYK13.HTM#bypos

He's +2 in rebs, +1.6 in points and -2 in blocks

He's doing a good job filling out the stat sheet.

He's also going to hit a wall playing against bigger guys everynight and his #s will tail off after 40-50 games. Its just physics

I think we should sign Lee to a 10 year $20mm contract. $2mm is a lot of money to make every year and thats great security. I think everyone that posts here would agree.
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12/18/2008  12:01 PM
im not understanding the argument... your saying hes better than MLE.. no one is disagreeing... your admitting 8-10 is reasonable.. everyone agrees.
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12/18/2008  12:02 PM
Posted by kam77:

A few weeks ago I said we should offer Lee this deal with million dollar raises each year so that his cap figure will be 7 mil in 2010.

6mil
7mil
8mil
9mil
10ml
11ml
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51mil for 6 yrs (8.5 per) with options as soon as 2011 so he can opt out for even more

If he wants to get greedy he should know he's hurting the Knicks chances of getting a guy who can turn Lee into a much bigger star. LeBron lifts all ships. Nobody knew who Mo Williams or Delonte West was (at least the casual fan didn't) before they joined the Cavs.

this sounds like a perfect deal to me, if lee would accept
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12/18/2008  12:03 PM
You say Wilson has a refined offensive game more than Lee. They average the same amount of points and Lee shoots the ball 3 less times a game. Lee is more important the Wilson to this offense he makes the offense go by setting 70 drag screens a game which helps other players. Since he has been starting he is getting 17 points a game how can a person with no offensive skills get that in a NBA game? He will get between 8-11 million I have said that the whole time. If Biedrins gets 9 so does Lee because besides the 1.5 blocks he plays no defense either.
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12/18/2008  12:04 PM
TMS:
he's a horrible defender

He's actually been doing pretty good as of late.
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