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Phil Jackson says Mike D'Antonis style CAN win in the playoffs!
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12/17/2008  9:38 AM
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/knicks/A_matter_of_style.html

This is kinda big cuz Phil and Mike have had some heated words before... I dont think Mike is his fav. person...
The man, who’s won nine NBA championship rings by running the far more structured triangle offense, thinks D’Antoni’s offense can win in the postseason, even though with Phoenix that system never got the Suns past the Western Conference finals.

He also believes the fans in New York, weaned not only on Holzman’s system, but then the smash-mouth styles coached by Pat Riley and Jeff Van Gundy, enjoy how the Knicks are playing now.

"I think that the friends that I have that are still alive back there, that haven’t passed away from old age, are really saying that this is kind of fun to watch," he said with a smirk. "They play freely and they have a certain sense of teamwork, sharing the basketball. They like what they see."

Still, can it win a championship?

"There was a lot of talk about that this may be something that would be effective in the regular season when people don’t have the opportunity to match up and defend against it, but will it be successful in playoff basketball?" he said.

"I have to say they have been successful, even though [the Suns] never got through the finals in the West. They got there a couple times and they were effective."
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12/17/2008  9:50 AM
"Can't trust 'em... don't need 'em" - Mike Singletary

Of course a fast break team can win in the playoffs. Have you ever looked up at the rafters of Boston Gardens?

Of course, trends and styles of play are fluid. What's hip today - might become passe. The question is whether Mike D'Antoni will be able to distribute minutes to a proper mix of players who are committed to make a serious run at a title?

One thing remains - you need coachable, intelligent, dedicated and trustable talent.
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12/17/2008  9:56 AM
Posted by misterearl:

"Can't trust 'em... don't need 'em" - Mike Singletary

Of course a fast break team can win in the playoffs. Have you ever looked up at the rafters of Boston Gardens?

Of course, trends and styles of play are fluid. What's hip today - might become passe. The question is whether Mike D'Antoni will be able to distribute minutes to a proper mix of players who are committed to make a serious run at a title?

One thing remains - you need coachable, intelligent, dedicated and trustable talent.


Don't forget showtime. Many accused them of not playing D either.
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12/17/2008  9:58 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by misterearl:

"Can't trust 'em... don't need 'em" - Mike Singletary

Of course a fast break team can win in the playoffs. Have you ever looked up at the rafters of Boston Gardens?

Of course, trends and styles of play are fluid. What's hip today - might become passe. The question is whether Mike D'Antoni will be able to distribute minutes to a proper mix of players who are committed to make a serious run at a title?

One thing remains - you need coachable, intelligent, dedicated and trustable talent.


Don't forget showtime. Many accused them of not playing D either.

They played D, make no mistakes about it...Cooper, Kareem, Rambis, and Byron Scott played D..

Heck, Worthy played some D as well...


[Edited by - holfresh on 12-17-2008 10:03 AM]
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12/17/2008  10:00 AM
He should know, ad D'Antoni's Suns became the eighth NBA team in history to come back from a 3-1 series deficit and take out Jackson's Lakers in the 2006 playoffs.
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12/17/2008  10:03 AM
Al Harrington, Chris Duhan and Wilson Chandler all play D btw
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12/17/2008  10:05 AM
You dont make it to the conference finals, and conference semifinals without being able to win in the playoffs. MDA's teams lost to the eventual champions 2 out of the 4 years they made the playoffs, and one of those years were a better team but got hurt by the suspensions.

Either way its all an illusion. I think the Knicks have been playing good defense lately, and with all the attention paid to it, I think whatever players play on this team during the MDA era, they'll be inspired to play it better.
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12/17/2008  10:05 AM
Elite - I guarantee you Kobe noticed when The Mayor blocked his shot

Did I mention I miss Marcus Camby?
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12/17/2008  10:08 AM
I was gunna post another thread about Chandlers D but ill just say it here... He has been PHENOMONAL!!!! He gave Kobe as good as an effort as you possibly can last night... I think Kobe had 2 uncontested shots all night... And I dont think Wil was guarding him when he got them.

Al Harrington also is a GREAT defender, I notice it mostly on the perimeter... I would like to see him guarding guys like Kobe... Anyone remember when he forced Nash into that big turnover the other night?

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12/17/2008  10:10 AM
Posted by misterearl:

"Can't trust 'em... don't need 'em" - Mike Singletary

Of course a fast break team can win in the playoffs. Have you ever looked up at the rafters of Boston Gardens?

Of course, trends and styles of play are fluid. What's hip today - might become passe. The question is whether Mike D'Antoni will be able to distribute minutes to a proper mix of players who are committed to make a serious run at a title?

One thing remains - you need coachable, intelligent, dedicated and trustable talent.

I'm not believing that one Earl...Parish played D...Dennis Johnson was an all NBA defender, MCHale's long arms played D, Ainge played D...Hondo,Charlie Scott and Jo Jo White played D, along with the center no.18, who currently slips my mind, before them...

Come better than that Earl...
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12/17/2008  10:12 AM

One thing has been proven so far is this league, you are not winning without playing defense, even if Phil Jackson says it...

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12/17/2008  10:16 AM
holfresh - you are killin' me.

I was not overlooking the Boston defenders. Hell, any basketball fan knows that Bill Russell INVENTED defense. Invented it by his lonesome. And he invented defense a city that was hostile to his living comfortably there - but that's another story. You want to talk Celtics defense while I was talking fast break offense. Cool. Sam Jones, Bailey Howell and Satch Sanders played defense. Cousy? He was okay.

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12/17/2008  10:17 AM
Posted by holfresh:


One thing has been proven so far is this league, you are not winning without playing defense, even if Phil Jackson says it...

Indeed but Phil Jackson is also an ******* who likes to rub it in people's faces - let's not forget.



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12/17/2008  10:34 AM
Posted by holfresh:


One thing has been proven so far is this league, you are not winning without playing defense, even if Phil Jackson says it...


First of all, its all about when you get the stops. Thats kind of what the Lakers and Celts did in the 80's. Speaking of the Lakers take a look at these stats and tell me they were a defensive Juggernout.

1988 world champion Lakers

Defensive FG% 48%
Pts per game against 108

1989 world champion Lakers

Defensive FG% 47%
Pts per game against 107

1988 Celtics

Defensive FG% 48%
Pts per game against 108

1887 Celtics

Defensive FG% 46%
Pts per game against 106

Okay Holfresh....come with the excuses...BTW, I have some of the Laker/Celts game on tape and I still watch them to this day. No way were they big time defensive teams.

[Edited by - uptown on 12-17-2008 10:35 AM]

[Edited by - uptown on 12-17-2008 10:35 AM]
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12/17/2008  10:45 AM
He never gave the endorsement the team could win a chip. Nothing groundbreaking here the Suns knocked his team out twice.
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12/17/2008  10:45 AM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by holfresh:


One thing has been proven so far is this league, you are not winning without playing defense, even if Phil Jackson says it...


First of all, its all about when you get the stops. Thats kind of what the Lakers and Celts did in the 80's. Speaking of the Lakers take a look at these stats and tell me they were a defensive Juggernout.

1988 world champion Lakers

Defensive FG% 48%
Pts per game against 108

1989 world champion Lakers

Defensive FG% 47%
Pts per game against 107

1988 Celtics

Defensive FG% 48%
Pts per game against 108

1887 Celtics

Defensive FG% 46%
Pts per game against 106

Okay Holfresh....come with the excuses...BTW, I have some of the Laker/Celts game on tape and I still watch them to this day. No way were they big time defensive teams.

[Edited by - uptown on 12-17-2008 10:35 AM]

[Edited by - uptown on 12-17-2008 10:35 AM]

good post!

Nobody is saying we dont need defense, but to discredit Mike D'Antoni as a coach because of stats is silly. The suns were a decent defensive team, but if he were to have played a slow down grind it out style and preached defense defense defense (detroit style) then they would not have made it out of the first round.. Why? they didnt have the personel.

This Knicks team IS playing defense. They are not perfect, but if you can't see the HUGE improvement not just offensivly but DEFENSIVELY from last year to this year then you are blind!!!
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12/17/2008  10:46 AM
when asked about being a great defensive coach.

The biggest falsehood in sports is that coaches need to preach defense for a team to be good at it. They should be good because defense is half the game. Anything else is an excuse. If you put 5 of the best defenders in college basketball on the same team they are still going to be a great defensive team whether the coach preaches it or not. Our team is good at defense because the players want to be good at defense.

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12/17/2008  10:50 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

Our team is good at defense because the players want to be good at defense.

This needs to be embossed, covered in gold and framed. Our defense is better this year for this reason.

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12/17/2008  10:55 AM
K22 - think about it, on the playground or in the gym - when you are playing ball, all one team mate needs to say is "D Up!" with some malicious intent - and everyone else gets the message.
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12/17/2008  11:28 AM
Just cuz the score was high doesnt mean defense wasn't played....if the pace is quickened of course there will be more points scored. Anybody that was around to remember that era knows those guys played some great physical defense.

it's all about making key stops like someone here just said....

teamwork wins games....knicks are playing as a team....but running 7 dudes who are all playing out of position is not gonna have you beating alot of good teams....still you have to admire the heart of this team.
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