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BRIGGS
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12/12/2008  11:25 AM
He has opt outs the next two years. If he does not come back where he will not earn a contract extension worth much or none at all--we can simply offer him a position with the team like Chicago did--like an assistant scout that pays him 15mm over 3 years or roughly an additional 3.8mm over his last years salary of 11.2. He opts out of the contract to take the job and additional salary--case closed.
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12/12/2008  11:29 AM
You are assuming that Curry doesn't want to play anymore. Why would he opt out of a contract that he could get $10 million in a season to stick around 3 years as a scout to just get an extra $5 million.
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12/12/2008  11:32 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

You are assuming that Curry doesn't want to play anymore. Why would he opt out of a contract that he could get $10 million in a season to stick around 3 years as a scout to just get an extra $5 million.

That is assuming he doesnt--cant play any more. That doesn't mean he cant change his mind in a year and play again. I know I'd rather have 15mm than 11.2
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12/12/2008  11:41 AM
Ahhh, some creative accounting, eh? That is assuming he can't heal anytime soon. Hopefully he can start to recover enough before the deadline that someone takes him and if not there is always next year. I think we are all hoping that this system somehow raises his game enough for someone to take him. I wouldn't even say take a chance on him cause on offense he is almost unstoppable (minus the stupid fouls). Any halfcourt team looking for a center could see him as "better than nothing". If he doesn't lose weight he isn't going to heal with that injury and then there is always medical retirement, though later on.

I have a feeling, regarding "creative accounting" that with Bosh, Lebron, etc. that even if we are under the bids of their respective teams that huge offers will be on the table endorsement wise. Hmmm, maybe an endorsement for Curry from ________________?

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12/12/2008  11:49 AM
there is a very small, slight possibility that he opts out after the 2009/2010 season IF his agent is angling towards a long term deal. It's when a boatload of teams will have the most space and there may not be as many options for a long term Curry deal after the 2010 season.

It's paramount that Curry gets healthy and MDA spends the next year and a half making him look like a star again.
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12/12/2008  1:26 PM
Posted by martin:

there is a very small, slight possibility that he opts out after the 2009/2010 season IF his agent is angling towards a long term deal. It's when a boatload of teams will have the most space and there may not be as many options for a long term Curry deal after the 2010 season.

It's paramount that Curry gets healthy and MDA spends the next year and a half making him look like a star again.
talk about lipstick on a goat. if mike d. could pull that off...
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12/12/2008  1:33 PM
Posted by daddynel:
Posted by martin:

there is a very small, slight possibility that he opts out after the 2009/2010 season IF his agent is angling towards a long term deal. It's when a boatload of teams will have the most space and there may not be as many options for a long term Curry deal after the 2010 season.

It's paramount that Curry gets healthy and MDA spends the next year and a half making him look like a star again.
talk about lipstick on a goat. if mike d. could pull that off...

we just traded ZBo and Crawford. And Duhon is looking like a legit starter.
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12/12/2008  1:37 PM
how about we just hire someone to kill him for a couple mil
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12/12/2008  1:41 PM
Posted by Elite:

how about we just hire someone to kill him for a couple mil

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12/12/2008  1:49 PM
Posted by Elite:

how about we just hire someone to kill him for a couple mil


Isiah tried that last summer.

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12/12/2008  1:59 PM
Curry has a player option for 2009. If he picks it up he's ours until 2011. He will pick it up. It's not consecutive years it's one option that carries two years with it.

Curry also had a stipulation in his contract that if at any time during his first three seasons he had to retire due to his heart condition his final three years would be unguaranteed. Since he has now completed all 3 years his final 3 years are fully guaranteed and cannot be taken from him.

In that I'd try to force this fat piece of unmotivated **** to go get a full workup on his heart and if he has developed that condition it was feared he might have then you retire him. He gets every cent of his what 32M remaining YET for the Knicks they don't pay lux tax on it and they can file a petition to have his final year, the 2010-2011 year, removed from our cap.

Sounds like a winning scenario to me. Barring a shocking Curry-For Darko 2010 type trade.... which I can't understand why any team would do.

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12/12/2008  2:04 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

Curry has a player option for 2009. If he picks it up he's ours until 2011. He will pick it up. It's not consecutive years it's one option that carries two years with it.

dammit, 100% sure?
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12/12/2008  2:11 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cosmic:

Curry has a player option for 2009. If he picks it up he's ours until 2011. He will pick it up. It's not consecutive years it's one option that carries two years with it.

dammit, 100% sure?


99.9% sure.

Crawford had the same thing. The options were for Summer of 2009 - pick them up then the next two years are guaranteed salary for them. (2010 and 2011).

It's the same thing Grant Hill had with the Magic when he signed that 7 year deal. The option came the summer of the 5th year - and if picked up - guaranteed years 6 and 7.

You never know with these things since they're reported in completely different ways site to site but I'm pretty sure that's the deal with Curry. 09 option to guarantee 10 and 11. No option in 10 to guarantee 11...
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12/12/2008  2:24 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cosmic:

Curry has a player option for 2009. If he picks it up he's ours until 2011. He will pick it up. It's not consecutive years it's one option that carries two years with it.

dammit, 100% sure?


99.9% sure.

Crawford had the same thing. The options were for Summer of 2009 - pick them up then the next two years are guaranteed salary for them. (2010 and 2011).

It's the same thing Grant Hill had with the Magic when he signed that 7 year deal. The option came the summer of the 5th year - and if picked up - guaranteed years 6 and 7.

You never know with these things since they're reported in completely different ways site to site but I'm pretty sure that's the deal with Curry. 09 option to guarantee 10 and 11. No option in 10 to guarantee 11...

If that is the case--if he doesnt get better this year--offer him a job with the Knicks organization for 26mm over 3 years if he opts out --otherwise he's nearly a lock to stay unless we can
A get a high lottery pick
B Pray he goes back to 20-7
C Chop up the salary in trade---example we take Stackhouse and Diop for Curry[5mm cut off cap in 2010.
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12/12/2008  3:01 PM
The option is irrelevant though because given how poorly he's played, how he's injured and out of shape, and we all know this is really it for him..... no way he opts out of 21M of guaranteed salary for the 10 and 11 seasons. No way.

So we have to act like he's already guaranteed through 2011.

In that, now that it is guaranteed since he passed the benchmarks in his contract - NOW could be the time to approach him.

*He doesn't care about playing.
*He doesn't care about conditioning.
*He's a fat injured slob and that's not changing.
*He's already guaranteed (minus the technicality of picking up his option) 32M over 3 years.

Maybe he'd be open to getting a full workup on his heart? Which might find what has been suspected of him... if it doesn't, it doesn't, but it's an option for the Knicks to try to get out from under this guy.

If he ends up like Mobley he's gone, he gets paid, he comes off our cap at least 1 year earlier, we pay no lux tax on his contract from here on out (Dolan happy).

If he's fine then you just try to get him back out there and work him back into a tradeable shape.


In the meantime what we really need to do is hammer out the end of the Marbury situation. For then we can move forward. We have a bit too much on our plate right now.

Mobley retirement - impending request for an exemption - and what can be done with the exemption or roster spot.
Marbury buyout
Curry.....

It's a short list but you gotta take care of Marbury before you can handle Curry IMO.
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12/13/2008  1:48 AM
While we are doing all this he needs to get in at least some sort of shape- no? I mean there is always Big Turd who needs to be dealt with and playing him now is pretty much out of the question. I really would hate for curry to became "the Bigger Turd" at least the guy can score. We need to try to motivate him or something. This reminds me of that SNL video with chris farley as the motivational speaker, we need someone like that for Curry.
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12/13/2008  2:20 AM
I really hate Isiah Thomas. I really, really, rally hate him.
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12/13/2008  12:37 PM
Posted by martin:

there is a very small, slight possibility that he opts out after the 2009/2010 season IF his agent is angling towards a long term deal. It's when a boatload of teams will have the most space and there may not be as many options for a long term Curry deal after the 2010 season.

It's paramount that Curry gets healthy and MDA spends the next year and a half making him look like a star again.

I could understand the logic when people said Crawford could back out of his deal to reup with another team - Crawford can still play at a fairly high level. Make no mistake though, NO ONE is signing this guy Curry to a long term deal if he ever backed out. No way does that happen. The dude's the joke of the league. Come on, even when he was 20 & 6 he was a joke. I'd be shocked if he ever got that kind of interest again from anyone.

Fact remains that he's still young though, so that's why I don't see him ever packing it in totally to pursue some kind of front office or scouting job with the Knicks at this point. There still the possiblity, however bleak and laughable the situation sounds, that he finally straightens his ass out somewhat, gets in enough shape to function and returns to the court to resume playing. Plus, how exactly is he qualified for a F.O. spot or a scouting position with this organization anyway??? Think about that for a sec. Scouting? Eddy Curry?!?! Just look at him as a player. He's everything that's wrong with the overpriced/overrated modern athlete. Curry's fat, lazy, never got any better skill-wise since entering the league and that's not even talking about his mental makeup which is almost non-existent. The guy's just your classic check-collector at this point, nothing more. Now he's gonna go jump on a plane and be somewhere to watch some promising kid play? Are you kidding me?? He'd oversleep and miss his flight. He'd get lost and fly to the wrong place. He'd over-eat and be too sick to fly. And once he finally got there, how could his worthless opinion possibly carry any weight (pun intended btw) as far as what he thought of a player's skill level or mental makeup? Imagine the sheer absurdity of flying Eddy somewhere to scout a big man and then listening to Curry telling you the guy was a 'can't miss'?? Talk about the blind leading the blind...

And as far as a front office position goes - I would think those type of spots, if they ever even decided to go with a former player, would be reserved for likeable, respected players that gave it their all for the organization in the past. Guys that Dolan likes and respects. You think Jimmy respects a guy that's not once came into camp in shape for the team and has done nothing to get with the program and improve as a player?? Nah, we're talking true warriors here - John Starks. Allan Houston. Even Jerome Williams. Guys that have been able to bring the same pride, professionalism and enthusiam to the front office as they once did on the court. And what position would you allow Eddy to handle anyway - Finance? Player development (my personal favorite - this fat tub of **** can't even develop as a player himself)? Marketing? That's a hot one. He'd design some scheme built around food - picture big posters of Eddy hanging all over the Garden with the dialogue bubble, "for every three, hot dogs are on me!"

All goofs aside, it's not a bad idea Briggs - I commend you for your creativity as always and I know where you're coming from - I want this guy eliminated from the payroll ASAP, but I'm afraid something like this just wouldn't be possible, even for a nitwit like Dolan.


[Edited by - finestrg on 12-13-2008 1:01 PM]
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12/13/2008  1:21 PM
I know I'm going to get lambasted for this, but I still think Curry can be a servicable center for us if/when his vagina heals, and I'm not so concerned about getting rid of him. If he comes back, he's really not *THAT* overpaid for a starting 7 foot center in this league that can go 18 and 7. We're on track guys, stop stressing so much. There's lots of time between now and 2010, and I'd much rather be rid of the likes of Fishlips and Q than worry so much about Curry. We're doing ok right now, inspite of not having a post up threat. I'd like to see what happens when we add that.

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12/13/2008  1:46 PM
Panos, bro, I am not gonna argue with you here. But his problem is habitual. If he was a rookie or sophomore, I'd say, hell yea. But at this point in his career, I don't think that he will ever change. Or that he is capable of change. He doesn't have the will, balls, brains to run in this system.
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