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Put Chandler at SG and just keep him there
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BRIGGS
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12/8/2008  8:32 PM
His jumpshot is much improved and will get better. He has tremendous athletic size for the position and can either shoot post or get to the hole off the dribble. At 6-8 he would make a hard match up for any two guard on the other side of the court as well.
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12/8/2008  8:46 PM
i think he could definitely handle the SG position, & at his size could easily post up smaller G's in the low post at times too... he may not be quick enough to D up on smaller quicker G's but he'd be a tough cover on the other end of the court too, so it's a wash.

once we can get our hands on a defensive shotblocking presence to start at C, u can make this move & have Harrington start at the 3 w/D Lee at the 4 where he belongs.
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12/8/2008  9:36 PM
one problem.. he cant dribble very well
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12/8/2008  9:44 PM
Posted by Elite:

one problem.. he cant dribble very well

Neither could Allan Houston but he survived at the position. I don't like him at the 2 spot though. Q Rich should be forced to play the 2 spot because he can't defend the 3 spot anymore.
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12/8/2008  9:50 PM
I think Chandler is a true 3...
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12/8/2008  9:51 PM
Posted by VDesai:

I think Chandler is a true 3...

That's the problem. The poor guy has to be moved around like a rag doll because other people suck at their position.
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12/8/2008  9:51 PM
But if you notice, he has his best scoring games at the PF position, and his worse scoring at the sg. he's just not a good enough shooter to play the sg every night. Allan never needed to drible, dude was dead on with his shot no matter who was guarding him, and god help you if he got hot and you had to guard him.
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12/8/2008  10:09 PM
I definitely agree with V here and I've been saying that for a minute too... he's got the range and versatility of being able to play the perimeter or the inside, depending upon the matchup. He *could* play PF. He *could* play SG. I'd rather develop him a SF and the matchup dictate his style of play.
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12/8/2008  10:13 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I definitely agree with V here and I've been saying that for a minute too... he's got the range and versatility of being able to play the perimeter or the inside, depending upon the matchup. He *could* play PF. He *could* play SG. I'd rather develop him a SF and the matchup dictate his style of play.

Exactly I thought the SF position is actually a combo of a PF and SG. He doesnt have a real solid perimeter game, and he really cant guard to many PFs, he's a perfect 3 in IMO.
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12/8/2008  10:13 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I definitely agree with V here and I've been saying that for a minute too... he's got the range and versatility of being able to play the perimeter or the inside, depending upon the matchup. He *could* play PF. He *could* play SG. I'd rather develop him a SF and the matchup dictate his style of play.

Exactly I thought the SF position is actually a combo of a PF and SG. He doesnt have a real solid perimeter game, and he really cant guard to many PFs, he's a perfect 3 in IMO.
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12/8/2008  10:16 PM
Posted by VDesai:

I think Chandler is a true 3...

I agree with you. Chandler is a 3 in every sense of the position. Chandler has to become a better shooter to become a full-time SG and in this kind of offense, if you want to be truly successful you need a really good shooters at the 2 spot. I also think if you play him at SG you will lose alot of his rebounding numbers and his blocking ability since he will be out on the perimeter guarding other 2's.
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12/8/2008  10:47 PM
i think it's obvious he's a SF but he can probably handle the SG position until a better option comes along... i think replacing Q Rich w/a defensive shotblocker in the starting rotation would help this team a lot.
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12/8/2008  11:57 PM
How can you be so off, BRIGGS?

Chandler is anything but a 2, and he never will be. Have you seen this guy dribble? I get nervous every time he bounces the ball.

He seems like a natural 3, and that's where he should end up, FOREVER.
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12/9/2008  12:20 AM
Posted by Knicksfansince94:

How can you be so off, BRIGGS?

Chandler is anything but a 2, and he never will be. Have you seen this guy dribble? I get nervous every time he bounces the ball.

He seems like a natural 3, and that's where he should end up, FOREVER.

Not a terrible ballhandler - very rarely have I seen him turn it over off the dribble to be honest. His T/Os are usually from bad passes. His J is the thing that scares me the most - I've never seen a guy quite like him - he's money on 1, 2 maybe 3 in a row and then all of a sudden he puts up the biggest brick you've ever seen - when he's off, he's usually way off. But then he'll come right back on his next attempt - all net with a corner 3. Very strange... Still, he can shoot and he's making stides with his shooting. And like I've been saying since the beginning of the season, I want him to always remain aggressive. I wish he had Harrington's aggressive personality...

Willie at the 2 wouldn't be a bad move but it wouldn't stop me from trying to acquire a legit 2 via trade if it made sense - a guy that we could get in a sensible trade that could take over the position fulltime into the future - Morris Almond, Aaron Afflalo, Marco Belinelli, Francisco Garcia (a little more proven than these other guys), etc... At this point I'd love for them to find an ANSWER at the 2 in a trade or some other type of reasonable acquisition, not some kind of stopgap. I want a guy, even slightly inexperienced to this point - that'd be OK, that they zero in on and could expect production from with a larger, more expanded role than the one they serve on their current team. I love guys like that - it's just so gratifying when you're right. Almond, Afflalo and Belinelli, to me fit that bill perfectly and are worth taking a chance on.


[Edited by - finestrg on 12-09-2008 12:38 AM]
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12/9/2008  12:32 AM
personally i think our need for a shotblocker should take precedence over looking for another shooter... i'd have no problem w/BRIGGS' idea as a stopgap solution.
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12/9/2008  12:34 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by VDesai:

I think Chandler is a true 3...

I agree with you. Chandler is a 3 in every sense of the position. Chandler has to become a better shooter to become a full-time SG and in this kind of offense, if you want to be truly successful you need a really good shooters at the 2 spot. I also think if you play him at SG you will lose alot of his rebounding numbers and his blocking ability since he will be out on the perimeter guarding other 2's.

The sad thing is that Chandler is shooting better than many so called shooting guards in the league. I think it says more about shooting guards in today's game. D'Antoni is asking Chandler to do many different things on the court.
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12/9/2008  12:39 AM
Posted by TMS:

personally i think our need for a shotblocker should take precedence over looking for another shooter... i'd have no problem w/BRIGGS' idea as a stopgap solution.

You and your shotblockers. McCain had Joe the Plumber, you have Joe the Shotblocker.
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12/9/2008  12:49 AM
Finestrg, I agree that his jumper seems erratic. To me, it seems as erratic as his handle. It might be a case of the Marion-syndrome, where Marion has bar-none the ugliest game in the league. But we haven't established Willy yet, so every time he shoots or dribbles, it looks disgusting and scary to me. Time will tell, but these are my two biggest worries about him at 2, even if it's purely aesthetic.
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12/9/2008  1:35 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:

personally i think our need for a shotblocker should take precedence over looking for another shooter... i'd have no problem w/BRIGGS' idea as a stopgap solution.

You and your shotblockers. McCain had Joe the Plumber, you have Joe the Shotblocker.

i know it sounds like an obsession but if u consider when the last time we were a good team it was when we had a legitimate shotblocking presence on the team (Camby)
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12/9/2008  2:21 AM
I agree with fine and knicksfan about Chandler's jumper and ball-handling. Both need to be improved but when as the last we had a 20 year old contribute for us like this? He's a neophyte as Clyde would say and hopefully he will continue to improve. If he works his ass off, his jumper and ball-handling can improve immensely and once he improves that, well, then we gout ourselves a damn good player. We are a long away from that though.

With that all that said, Chandler is not a SG. His best position is PF and he should stay there.
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