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One guy I dont want in 2010
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King1
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12/5/2008  11:38 AM
is Amare Stoudamire. He puts up numbers but they have never won anything. This year with he is crying wanting to be the featured guy and they arent winning. He wants to be somewhere that he can do his thing and be the man. If the Knicks sign 2 guys in 2010 he wont be the man he will be a piece and I dont think he is that type of player.
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Cookdcokehop
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12/5/2008  11:43 AM
What did Lebron ever win besides an Allstar MVP? I rather build through the draft but no one will agree with me until every free agent in 2010 refuses to sign with the Knicks
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12/5/2008  11:44 AM
yea im not that interested in Amare... he blocks shots tho right?
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12/5/2008  11:44 AM
Interesting...I was thinking the same thing last night: Would Amare really be worth our cap space? I'm not convinced. I'm also wary of his health and his abilities as time goes forward. If we had 46M+ in cap space and already had two max, or 1 max, 1 near max, already signed and you're mulling bringing in Amare for the remaining cap space? Then I think it could be considered. As one of the max free agents? Eh, I really don't know about that.

Plenty of time to watch him though so that's one plus.
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12/5/2008  11:44 AM
I agree we have no Plan B but Lebron has been to the finals and he isnt griping like a child like Amare is doing.
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12/5/2008  11:45 AM
If we had salary cap room to add him, I'd take him in a heartbeat. However, if we could revamp the frontline with servicable players through a D. Lee trade and the draft, he wouldn't be as important. Neither would Bosh. Maybe Joe Johnson would be a better fit.
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12/5/2008  11:48 AM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

What did Lebron ever win besides an Allstar MVP? I rather build through the draft but no one will agree with me until every free agent in 2010 refuses to sign with the Knicks

I agree with you.
King1
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12/5/2008  11:50 AM
I dont see two of the big time free agents going to the same place. I hope the Knikcs can get one then you make trades for some vets that want to win.
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12/5/2008  11:52 AM
Posted by King1:

I dont see two of the big time free agents going to the same place. I hope the Knikcs can get one then you make trades for some vets that want to win.

It was Orlando's plan....orchestrated by John Gabriel. It backfired as Hill was injured...and Duncan said no the first time around so TMac and his whining came on board.

Yet, the fact is, that's probably what Gabriel is working on behind the scenes and Walsh is into it.

I guess the idea is get two young superstars that you're willing to go six full years with and then build around them. Gives you an awfully BIG window of opportunity!

While maybe two superstars aren't available, heck, we don't even know if one will come in 2010, I firmly believe THIS is the IDEA behind the scenes.

In that, a guy like Amare, who is a risk...probably shouldn't be in the plans. (SEE: Grant Hill...sorta)
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12/5/2008  11:52 AM
This whole thing is Lebron James or bust---if you don't get Lebron James there is nothing to talk about. Yes we can get a Chris Bosh but while he is good/great---there is only 1 Lebron--Lebron is the difference maker. I love Amare Stoudmire but while he is still great--he's not the player post injury. Before he was injured I thought he was the best player in the nBA and while he has shown glimpses--now he just a very good player who will have a lot of minutes on a bad knee.


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12/5/2008  11:52 AM
Never won anything? LOL! If thats the case, what the hell has Chris Bosh won? What has Lebron won? Joe Johnson what has he won? Yoa Ming is a loser too.

I would take Amare in a heartbeat. He's one of the most talented PF's in the game. He was a key player and arguably the most important players on a team that won 50 plus games in a row for four years, 4 division titles and two trips to the conference finals. That resume blows Bosh's resume out of the water. Not saying he's better than Bosh, but using your criteria, if you dont want Stoudemire because he hasn't won, then I guess our only target is Tim Duncan.
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12/5/2008  11:54 AM
Posted by King1:

I dont see two of the big time free agents going to the same place. I hope the Knikcs can get one then you make trades for some vets that want to win.

I hear you, but just like McGrady/Hill to Orlando, I think some top players want to play with other top notch talent and win more than just being the man. And NYC has more than enough marketing and spotlight to support two superstars. But if we get Lebron, the next player will have to be one that understands that he is Robin to Lebron's Batman.
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12/5/2008  11:58 AM
Posted by Uptown:

Never won anything? LOL! If thats the case, what the hell has Chris Bosh won? What has Lebron won? Joe Johnson what has he won? Yoa Ming is a loser too.

I would take Amare in a heartbeat. He's one of the most talented PF's in the game. He was a key player and arguably the most important players on a team that won 50 plus games in a row for four years, 4 division titles and two trips to the conference finals. That resume blows Bosh's resume out of the water. Not saying he's better than Bosh, but using your criteria, if you dont want Stoudemire because he hasn't won, then I guess our only target is Tim Duncan.

I would take Amare also. The microfracture surgery bothers me. His performance this year I think is about the change in the system. His skills come from athleticism that are more suited to a more open offense. Nash's numbers are down also. Steve Kerr is messign that team up.
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12/5/2008  12:04 PM
If you are talking about 2-stars tandem it is all about balance.
Let’s take James as one star and then think about who is complimenting him most from all 2010 class.
Amare is not the one - a lot of duplicated skills.
James need center (Bosh) or point (Nash) to deliver the ball to him, defend, and pass the glory without second thought to the King.
If Le-bron will go somewhere else and Wade will be the man bringing Amare can work.
So it's all depends.
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12/5/2008  12:05 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

This whole thing is Lebron James or bust---if you don't get Lebron James there is nothing to talk about. Yes we can get a Chris Bosh but while he is good/great---there is only 1 Lebron--Lebron is the difference maker. I love Amare Stoudmire but while he is still great--he's not the player post injury. Before he was injured I thought he was the best player in the nBA and while he has shown glimpses--now he just a very good player who will have a lot of minutes on a bad knee.


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actually last year was by far his best statistical season, far better than 04-05 before his injury.

He is a monster but he is taking a step back this year
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12/5/2008  12:08 PM
Posted by King1:

is Amare Stoudamire. He puts up numbers but they have never won anything. This year with he is crying wanting to be the featured guy and they arent winning. He wants to be somewhere that he can do his thing and be the man. If the Knicks sign 2 guys in 2010 he wont be the man he will be a piece and I dont think he is that type of player.

Totally agree with you King. Amare's numbers are quite similar to what Marbury has done his whole career - I know Amare has moved on in the playoffs, but he can thank D'Antoni, Nash and Marion for the assistance.

There is something really missing in Amare's game. He could be the best player in the league if he wanted. He doesn't rebound enough and he could easily block 3 shots a game if he wanted, but he just doesn't give effort anywhere but offensively. He's a very me-first player - we don't need thata anymore.

I would totally stay away from him unless we can get him on the cheap.
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12/5/2008  12:10 PM
Amare has done everything KG did up until last year no?

Amare isnt just a great BB player. He plays with tenacity and a nasty streak. He is a driven competitor. He a motor you can add to some solid role players and create an elite team.

How old is he? 25? 27? Players mature. He's got every skill and intangible you want in a star player.

I would go to war w/ Amare any day and twice on tuesdays
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12/5/2008  12:11 PM
I'd rather win it without hiring the best player in the game....It's more fun to beat Lebron on our way to a title....that would be sick....

at the same time we have dough now....Knicks have plenty of options. What if Lebron signs with Clevland or the Nets or some other wild ****? Knicks will have money to buy a Joe Johnson, Tyson Chandler, and another player probably. Put that in a mix of guys like Al Harrington, Wilson, Gallo, maybe nate and Lee....it's formidable, lol....Knicks will be alright. At least the Knicks have 2010 money to spend and thats key.

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12/5/2008  12:11 PM
and yes.. its about Lebron but there are some pretty fantastic consoliation prizes
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12/5/2008  12:15 PM
imho, the target should be lebron or wade in 2010. and then dwight in 2011.

amare or bosh will not turn out to be what knicks fans are hoping for...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 12-05-2008 12:16 PM]
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