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BRIGGS
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12/4/2008  10:48 AM
I understand what they are trying to do for 2010 but ripping the team apart after it had success 11 games into the season was wrong. It was wrong for the fans the players and the coach. I don't care what anyone says--we did not get enough back for Zach Randolph--we were patient with him and then we spasmed--there was no reason why we couldn't have sat tight and went with him until a better trade scenario would've come around. Honestly i have no idea what we are doing other than throwing all the eggs in one basket for 2010. We can already count on Gallinari and Chandler to be studs for 2010. We have no inside players except Lee who know will command much more than we are likely to be wiling to pay. Eddy Curry has a nasty injury and with his work ethic we can probably say he will be a Knick through his contract.

Honestly if it was me I would put EVERY single player on the trading block looking for draft picks from 2009 through 2011. If the Nets wanted Gallinari so bad offer him for Brook Lopez right now[as Thorn slams the phone down LOL]
Duhon and Harrington have HUGE cap holds and with the economy--you can bet you arse that the salary cap will go down--possibly significantly giving us less wiggle room--so I don't see hopw we can keep these players. If we just add Curry Jefferies Gallinari Chandler and the next pick[only 4 guys] we are well into the low to mid 20mm$ range--again that is WITH NO LEE and NATE--if you add Nate and Lee even at 8+5 our cap is at close to 40mm and if the salary cap comes down significanlty we wil not haev FA in 2010 and these trades were for nothing anyway.



Duhon harrington Tim Thomas Lee Nate--they all have to be for sale because no one is taking a hurt and non-motivated uninsured Curry off of our hands. Two years ago YES now---he's ours. Also I like how Donniw Wals was crying about Oden coming out to early because his body could be damaged and he spins around and takes a 19 year old euro in a draft where we couldnt get it wrong. Listen--we have a plan but it sure could be very flawed.

Tank to kingdom come the rest of the year----Trade anyone who will yield us number 1 draft picks over the next 2-3 years and sign no one. Oh yeah Utah ios hurting for money--offer 3mm for our pick back.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 12-04-2008 10:49 AM]

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 12-04-2008 10:50 AM]
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12/4/2008  11:05 AM
why would u offer galanarri for anything before you even seen him play? What if he is the next Dirk? U have no idea. But I like the idea of offering 3mm for the pick... Nate is the only untouchable in my mind and thats just cuz i <3 him
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12/4/2008  11:08 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I understand what they are trying to do for 2010 but ripping the team apart after it had success 11 games into the season was wrong. It was wrong for the fans the players and the coach.

Honestly if it was me I would put EVERY single player on the trading block looking for draft picks from 2009 through 2011.

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Posted by Elite:

why would u offer galanarri for anything before you even seen him play? What if he is the next Dirk? U have no idea. But I like the idea of offering 3mm for the pick... Nate is the only untouchable in my mind and thats just cuz i <3 him

Because Brook Lopez already proved that he can withstand a blocking foul in the NBA.
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12/4/2008  11:39 AM
Brook Lopez is awesome already a top 10 center in this league, he defends the rim and is a big reason the nets are playing really well.
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12/4/2008  12:52 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I understand what they are trying to do for 2010 but ripping the team apart after it had success 11 games into the season was wrong. It was wrong for the fans the players and the coach.

Honestly if it was me I would put EVERY single player on the trading block looking for draft picks from 2009 through 2011.

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Either go all the way and blow this stuff up or play to win--this in the middle stuff doesnt work--weve tried it for 8 years now. Lose and get the best draft pick we can--then go hire new people to make our pick
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12/4/2008  12:59 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I understand what they are trying to do for 2010 but ripping the team apart after it had success 11 games into the season was wrong. It was wrong for the fans the players and the coach.

Honestly if it was me I would put EVERY single player on the trading block looking for draft picks from 2009 through 2011.

quick switcharoo

Either go all the way and blow this stuff up or play to win--this in the middle stuff doesnt work--weve tried it for 8 years now. Lose and get the best draft pick we can--then go hire new people to make our pick

How do you know they're "in the middle"? We don't know who is and who is not on the trade block. And we don't know Donnie's plan for 2010, including whether he wants cap space for 2 stars or just one star and wants to retain most of our current young players. I think you've reached a conclusion without having access to the info. you'd need to reach that conclusion.
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12/4/2008  1:00 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I understand what they are trying to do for 2010 but ripping the team apart after it had success 11 games into the season was wrong. It was wrong for the fans the players and the coach. I don't care what anyone says--we did not get enough back for Zach Randolph--we were patient with him and then we spasmed--there was no reason why we couldn't have sat tight and went with him until a better trade scenario would've come around. Honestly i have no idea what we are doing other than throwing all the eggs in one basket for 2010. We can already count on Gallinari and Chandler to be studs for 2010. We have no inside players except Lee who know will command much more than we are likely to be wiling to pay. Eddy Curry has a nasty injury and with his work ethic we can probably say he will be a Knick through his contract.

Honestly if it was me I would put EVERY single player on the trading block looking for draft picks from 2009 through 2011. If the Nets wanted Gallinari so bad offer him for Brook Lopez right now[as Thorn slams the phone down LOL]
Duhon and Harrington have HUGE cap holds and with the economy--you can bet you arse that the salary cap will go down--possibly significantly giving us less wiggle room--so I don't see hopw we can keep these players. If we just add Curry Jefferies Gallinari Chandler and the next pick[only 4 guys] we are well into the low to mid 20mm$ range--again that is WITH NO LEE and NATE--if you add Nate and Lee even at 8+5 our cap is at close to 40mm and if the salary cap comes down significanlty we wil not haev FA in 2010 and these trades were for nothing anyway.



Duhon harrington Tim Thomas Lee Nate--they all have to be for sale because no one is taking a hurt and non-motivated uninsured Curry off of our hands. Two years ago YES now---he's ours. Also I like how Donniw Wals was crying about Oden coming out to early because his body could be damaged and he spins around and takes a 19 year old euro in a draft where we couldnt get it wrong. Listen--we have a plan but it sure could be very flawed.

Tank to kingdom come the rest of the year----Trade anyone who will yield us number 1 draft picks over the next 2-3 years and sign no one. Oh yeah Utah ios hurting for money--offer 3mm for our pick back.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 12-04-2008 10:49 AM]

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 12-04-2008 10:50 AM]

I hear you Briggs but the situation is what it is and it really doesn't matter right now. The key is maximum flexibility and I'm talking about MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY with the Cap. The more stuff we get out of the way right now -- we just might be able to add a decent piece or two this summer without jeopardizing the 2010 plan.

If the season collapses -- that means 2 things....we really don't have many of the players we need long term and we probably get a very nice pick.

Still lots of moves to be made here --- Malik will be going soon.
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12/4/2008  1:02 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I understand what they are trying to do for 2010 but ripping the team apart after it had success 11 games into the season was wrong. It was wrong for the fans the players and the coach.

Honestly if it was me I would put EVERY single player on the trading block looking for draft picks from 2009 through 2011.

quick switcharoo

Either go all the way and blow this stuff up or play to win--this in the middle stuff doesnt work--weve tried it for 8 years now. Lose and get the best draft pick we can--then go hire new people to make our pick
what middle stuff are you talking about? All MDA and Walsh have done is talk about the future, and the from the start they have featured the young players. They have traded their two most productive players to clear the roster out by two years from now.

Are you suggesting Knicks are trying too hard to win by getting Harrington and Tim Thomas back? Those are good players and pieces to have moving forward.

Maybe I have been seeing something different but it sure looks like the Knicks are starting over.
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12/4/2008  1:06 PM
walsh made two trades to cut cap, but not bring back any young talent or picks.

the 2010 plan includes gallinari and chandler (possibly). and their 2009 draft pick.

nate + lee are up for debate and so is duhon.

at some point, the team needs to bring in young players of high talent level. there must be a foundation when they sign their free agent. otherwise it will take 2-3 more years after 2010 to field a competetive team.
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12/4/2008  1:33 PM
I think you are ignoring the effect of the vet's minimum...you put two superstars on the roster, quality veterans in search of rings line up to play with them and be part of a legacy. Get James and Bosh, and they will come.
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12/4/2008  1:38 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I understand what they are trying to do for 2010 but ripping the team apart after it had success 11 games into the season was wrong. It was wrong for the fans the players and the coach.

Honestly if it was me I would put EVERY single player on the trading block looking for draft picks from 2009 through 2011.

quick switcharoo

Either go all the way and blow this stuff up or play to win--this in the middle stuff doesnt work--weve tried it for 8 years now. Lose and get the best draft pick we can--then go hire new people to make our pick

How do you know they aren't? The trade deadline and June are a long ways off much less a year from them.

As for tanking, it would help if the head coach and GM were on the same page.
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12/4/2008  1:55 PM
From what I've seen the Knicks aren't truely worse off after the trade than they were before it. If they are it's because of Mobley not playing because he has to see heart specialists, and may retire. I expect within a week or 2 that the Knicks will be at least as good as they were before the trade, and probably better.

I haven't really noticed the Knicks playing worse, to me it just seems that they're suffering from being short handed and the schedule getting tougher. I'm not trying to make excuses for them losing, but If neither of the two trades were made I'm thinking the Knicks have the same record right now, with a slight chance of maybe being one game better
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12/4/2008  1:56 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

walsh made two trades to cut cap, but not bring back any young talent or picks.

the 2010 plan includes gallinari and chandler (possibly). and their 2009 draft pick.

nate + lee are up for debate and so is duhon.

at some point, the team needs to bring in young players of high talent level. there must be a foundation when they sign their free agent. otherwise it will take 2-3 more years after 2010 to field a competetive team.
agreed.. were those opportunities there? Not a lot of teams are willing to let go of draft picks in November. The entire season is ahead of you. Opportunities for draft picks come up in Jan and Feb as the trading deadline approaches. Thats when a contending team will be willing to give up a late to mid first rounder for a guy like Tim Thomas, Harrington, Curry (I hope), etc
We got 2 first rounder for Nazr. Those deals will be out there. Just not now

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12/4/2008  2:02 PM
off topic--Briggs answer your "tough trivia question" that you posted previously please
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12/4/2008  2:03 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by djsunyc:

walsh made two trades to cut cap, but not bring back any young talent or picks.

the 2010 plan includes gallinari and chandler (possibly). and their 2009 draft pick.

nate + lee are up for debate and so is duhon.

at some point, the team needs to bring in young players of high talent level. there must be a foundation when they sign their free agent. otherwise it will take 2-3 more years after 2010 to field a competetive team.
agreed.. were those opportunities there? Not a lot of teams are willing to let go of draft picks in November. The entire season is ahead of you. Opportunities for draft picks come up in Jan and Feb as the trading deadline approaches. Thats when a contending team will be willing to give up a late to mid first rounder for a guy like Tim Thomas, Harrington, Curry (I hope), etc
We got 2 first rounder for Nazr. Those deals will be out there. Just not now

Fishmike--what is the plan if it becomes obvious that Curry is going to be here and we have to let Nate and Lee walk and remounce Duhon and harrington with only 1 draft pick[by the way they pretty much stink at drafting no confidence there. We will pick a Spanish boy who shoots the ball like a linedrive who will be broken down in three nBA weeks even if we have pick 1.
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12/4/2008  2:05 PM
We will never be able to trade Curry if he remains injured, big work ethic or horrible work ethic. The first thing we need to do is get him healthy and prove that he's healthy.

At this point, there's no more trying to make him angry enough to opt out b/c he's injured. There's no way he'll opt out if he's injured, so we need to get him healthy and playing like the all star team contender that most of us knew he wasn't (A couple of years ago.)

If he doesn't get healthy, it's gonna be quite hard to get LeBron.
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12/4/2008  2:07 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by djsunyc:

walsh made two trades to cut cap, but not bring back any young talent or picks.

the 2010 plan includes gallinari and chandler (possibly). and their 2009 draft pick.

nate + lee are up for debate and so is duhon.

at some point, the team needs to bring in young players of high talent level. there must be a foundation when they sign their free agent. otherwise it will take 2-3 more years after 2010 to field a competetive team.
agreed.. were those opportunities there? Not a lot of teams are willing to let go of draft picks in November. The entire season is ahead of you. Opportunities for draft picks come up in Jan and Feb as the trading deadline approaches. Thats when a contending team will be willing to give up a late to mid first rounder for a guy like Tim Thomas, Harrington, Curry (I hope), etc
We got 2 first rounder for Nazr. Those deals will be out there. Just not now

Agreed there. We just traded for players that have better contracts and may still have value to playoff teams. GMs gonna remember TT and his playoff run in PHO (hopefully). We shall see.
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12/4/2008  2:09 PM
Posted by BigRedDog:

off topic--Briggs answer your "tough trivia question" that you posted previously please

What makes you think he knows the answer?
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12/4/2008  2:16 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by djsunyc:

walsh made two trades to cut cap, but not bring back any young talent or picks.

the 2010 plan includes gallinari and chandler (possibly). and their 2009 draft pick.

nate + lee are up for debate and so is duhon.

at some point, the team needs to bring in young players of high talent level. there must be a foundation when they sign their free agent. otherwise it will take 2-3 more years after 2010 to field a competetive team.
agreed.. were those opportunities there? Not a lot of teams are willing to let go of draft picks in November. The entire season is ahead of you. Opportunities for draft picks come up in Jan and Feb as the trading deadline approaches. Thats when a contending team will be willing to give up a late to mid first rounder for a guy like Tim Thomas, Harrington, Curry (I hope), etc
We got 2 first rounder for Nazr. Those deals will be out there. Just not now

Fishmike--what is the plan if it becomes obvious that Curry is going to be here and we have to let Nate and Lee walk and remounce Duhon and harrington with only 1 draft pick[by the way they pretty much stink at drafting no confidence there. We will pick a Spanish boy who shoots the ball like a linedrive who will be broken down in three nBA weeks even if we have pick 1.

I don't think Walsh is sitting around thinking that they will keep Curry, let Nate & Lee walk and renounce Al and Duhon just to sign LeBron and 8 D-Leaguers, do you?

Dude has been on the job exactly 6 months.
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