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11/29/2008  9:47 PM
i seriously think he's the best pure PG this franchise has had since Mark Jackson... i know Derek Harper is a favorite but Duhon's better at getting guys the ball on the move than he was IMO... tonite was just an unbelievable offensive showing by this team & Duhon was the catalyst for all the easy baskets all night long... i know the Warriors played zero defense but the team just flows when he's on his game.

pretty damn good signing by Donnie Walsh.
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11/29/2008  9:51 PM
That's sacrilege. Besides, Rod Strickland holds that title.

Let's not get carried away by anything related to tonight's defenseless game. Duhon is a tread water kind of player.
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11/29/2008  9:54 PM
Posted by islesfan:

That's sacrilege. Besides, Rod Strickland holds that title.

Let's not get carried away by anything related to tonight's defenseless game. Duhon is a tread water kind of player.

Jax was here long after Strickland was gone... Jax was a better PG than Strickland if u ask me... i'm not saying Duhon's an alltime great, but compared to the PG's we've had since Jax who's better in terms of orchestrating an offense?
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11/29/2008  9:55 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

That's sacrilege. Besides, Rod Strickland holds that title.

Let's not get carried away by anything related to tonight's defenseless game. Duhon is a tread water kind of player.

Jax was here long after Strickland was gone... Jax was a better PG than Strickland if u ask me... i'm not saying Duhon's an alltime great, but compared to the PG's we've had since Jax who's better in terms of orchestrating an offense?

Jackson was a much better PG and player than Strickland overall. No question about it. Strickland was Marbury before Marbury.

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11/29/2008  9:57 PM
Damn, this says a lot about the caliber of point guards we've had here in the past 20 years.

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11/29/2008  9:58 PM
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Damn, this says a lot about the caliber of point guards we've had here in the past 20 years.

Ain't that the truth...

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11/29/2008  9:59 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

That's sacrilege. Besides, Rod Strickland holds that title.

Let's not get carried away by anything related to tonight's defenseless game. Duhon is a tread water kind of player.

Jax was here long after Strickland was gone... Jax was a better PG than Strickland if u ask me... i'm not saying Duhon's an alltime great, but compared to the PG's we've had since Jax who's better in terms of orchestrating an offense?

I didn't mean that Strickland was better than Jackson, I meant that he's the best since.

Better than Duhon would start with Cheeks, Ward and Harper.

Duhon is more like Rory Sparrow.
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11/29/2008  10:03 PM
Posted by islesfan:

That's sacrilege. Besides, Rod Strickland holds that title.

Let's not get carried away by anything related to tonight's defenseless game. Duhon is a tread water kind of player.

This game was an aberration. Warriors mgmt should heavily fine everyone involved in tonight's game for their effort.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 11-29-2008 10:04 PM]
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11/29/2008  10:03 PM
Ward? no way dude... he was 1 of my favorites but no way could he orchestrate an offense like Duhon does... he was a pretty good shooter & tough as nails on defense, but he didn't have nearly the court vision that Duhon has. (here comes Bip w/his sacrilege comment)

& i like i said before i think Duhon's better at getting guys the ball on the move than Harper was... Harper was more of a half court style player & he benefitted greatly by playing w/Ewing... all he had to do was dump the ball down into the low post & wait for a kickout when the double team came... that to me isn't what i call orchestrating an offense.
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11/29/2008  10:04 PM
Posted by TMS:

i seriously think he's the best pure PG this franchise has had since Mark Jackson... i know Derek Harper is a favorite but Duhon's better at getting guys the ball on the move than he was IMO... tonite was just an unbelievable offensive showing by this team & Duhon was the catalyst for all the easy baskets all night long... i know the Warriors played zero defense but the team just flows when he's on his game.

pretty damn good signing by Donnie Walsh.
He is not better than Derek Harper. Harper was a big time scorer before he joined the Knicks. Also let's be real he is not better than Marbury. As far as Mark Jackson

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Posted by TMS:

i seriously think he's the best pure PG this franchise has had since Mark Jackson... i know Derek Harper is a favorite but Duhon's better at getting guys the ball on the move than he was IMO... tonite was just an unbelievable offensive showing by this team & Duhon was the catalyst for all the easy baskets all night long... i know the Warriors played zero defense but the team just flows when he's on his game.

pretty damn good signing by Donnie Walsh.
He is not better than Derek Harper. Harper was a big time scorer before he joined the Knicks. Also let's be real he is not better than Marbury. As far as Mark Jackson


i don't think he's as talented a player as Marbury or nearly the score he was, that wasn't my point... i'm talking about purely PG skills... orchestrating an offense & doing the little things every good PG should do to help a team win games... as a scorer obviously Harper & Marbury were both better players... anyway, regarding Harper we're not talking about the player he was on other teams, just the player he was on the Knicks.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-29-2008 7:09 PM]
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11/29/2008  10:08 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

That's sacrilege. Besides, Rod Strickland holds that title.

Let's not get carried away by anything related to tonight's defenseless game. Duhon is a tread water kind of player.

Jax was here long after Strickland was gone... Jax was a better PG than Strickland if u ask me... i'm not saying Duhon's an alltime great, but compared to the PG's we've had since Jax who's better in terms of orchestrating an offense?

I didn't mean that Strickland was better than Jackson, I meant that he's the best since.

Better than Duhon would start with Cheeks, Ward and Harper.

Duhon is more like Rory Sparrow.

Duhon's game is very simlar to Cheeks and Ward's game. He is a good pg to have he won't blow you away with stats but he will get the job done. I'm happy with his play and he just did what no other Knicks pg just did and that is put up 22 assists. If Lee and Harrington didn't blow some of those passes he might have had 25+ assists tonight.
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11/29/2008  10:09 PM
Duhon is a really good player. A winner. I told you guys this was a good signing.

He's a better defender than Jackson, but Mark Jackson was stronger and a superior offensive player in every way.

Duhon is a good player. He's a winner and he's playing for every PG's dream of a coach.
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11/29/2008  10:11 PM
Posted by TMS:

Ward? no way dude... he was 1 of my favorites but no way could he orchestrate an offense like Duhon does... he was a pretty good shooter & tough as nails on defense, but he didn't have nearly the court vision that Duhon has. (here comes Bip w/his sacrilege comment)

& i like i said before i think Duhon's better at getting guys the ball on the move than Harper was... Harper was more of a half court style player & he benefitted greatly by playing w/Ewing... all he had to do was dump the ball down into the low post & wait for a kickout when the double team came... that to me isn't what i call orchestrating an offense.

Do you remember Harper when he was on the Mavs? He would run rings around Duhon. Harper had to distribute the ball to guys like Aguirre, Tarpley, Perkins, Schrempf and Blackman and keep them happy. Riley put the clamps on the running game and Harper was very effective running it but he could run any type of offense.
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11/29/2008  10:11 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BigC:
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i seriously think he's the best pure PG this franchise has had since Mark Jackson... i know Derek Harper is a favorite but Duhon's better at getting guys the ball on the move than he was IMO... tonite was just an unbelievable offensive showing by this team & Duhon was the catalyst for all the easy baskets all night long... i know the Warriors played zero defense but the team just flows when he's on his game.

pretty damn good signing by Donnie Walsh.
He is not better than Derek Harper. Harper was a big time scorer before he joined the Knicks. Also let's be real he is not better than Marbury. As far as Mark Jackson


i don't think he's as talented a player as Marbury or nearly the score he was, that wasn't my point... i'm talking about purely PG skills... orchestrating an offense & doing the little things every good PG should do to help a team win games... as a scorer obviously Harper & Marbury were both better players.

I don't think he is a better passer than Harper either. Remember the Knicks passed the ball around and had other players bring up the ball. So the assists were spread out. On the Knicks right now only one player brings up the ball. When Harper was here you had Mason, Starks plus Harper.

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11/29/2008  10:13 PM
2 guys i wanted w/the MLE this year... Sasha Vujacic or Chris Duhon... thanks Donnie... u're the man!
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11/29/2008  10:13 PM
Harper was Chauncy Billups.. only better at everything.
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11/29/2008  10:13 PM
Posted by islesfan:
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Ward? no way dude... he was 1 of my favorites but no way could he orchestrate an offense like Duhon does... he was a pretty good shooter & tough as nails on defense, but he didn't have nearly the court vision that Duhon has. (here comes Bip w/his sacrilege comment)

& i like i said before i think Duhon's better at getting guys the ball on the move than Harper was... Harper was more of a half court style player & he benefitted greatly by playing w/Ewing... all he had to do was dump the ball down into the low post & wait for a kickout when the double team came... that to me isn't what i call orchestrating an offense.

Do you remember Harper when he was on the Mavs? He would run rings around Duhon. Harper had to distribute the ball to guys like Aguirre, Tarpley, Perkins, Schrempf and Blackman and keep them happy. Riley put the clamps on the running game and Harper was very effective running it but he could run any type of offense.

yeah i do remember him on the Mavs... he wasn't the same player when he was on the Knicks, let's be honest about it.
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11/29/2008  10:14 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

That's sacrilege. Besides, Rod Strickland holds that title.

Let's not get carried away by anything related to tonight's defenseless game. Duhon is a tread water kind of player.

Jax was here long after Strickland was gone... Jax was a better PG than Strickland if u ask me... i'm not saying Duhon's an alltime great, but compared to the PG's we've had since Jax who's better in terms of orchestrating an offense?

I didn't mean that Strickland was better than Jackson, I meant that he's the best since.

Better than Duhon would start with Cheeks, Ward and Harper.

Duhon is more like Rory Sparrow.


Cheeks was past his prime when he got here and Duhon has much better court vision gets into the paint better than Ward ever did.
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11/29/2008  10:15 PM
Duhon is OK but what makes him good in Mike and his system.
It looks a lot like Nash explosion when system makes player.
Same goes for Lee and other guys.
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