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islesfan
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11/24/2008  10:22 AM
1. Trade Curry
2. Trade Jeffries
3. Exile Marbury, enough with this nonsense
4. Collect draft picks
5. Draft well
6. Re-sign Lee to a cap friendly deal
7. Get young players as much experience as possible
8. Lose games to improve this years draft position, next year they can try to win games
9. Fire Isiah
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11/24/2008  10:29 AM
I'd add:

Sign Nate to a cap friendly deal.
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11/24/2008  11:09 AM
Do you trade Curry for expiring or or try to hold out for a homerun type deal? We can probably send Curry to Miami right now for Blount straight up.
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11/24/2008  11:14 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:

Do you trade Curry for expiring or or try to hold out for a homerun type deal? We can probably send Curry to Miami right now for Blount straight up.

defnitely try and trade him for an expiring. I dont think we can get a homerun type deal for Curry
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11/24/2008  11:20 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:

Do you trade Curry for expiring or or try to hold out for a homerun type deal? We can probably send Curry to Miami right now for Blount straight up.

I don't know if they would do that straight up. Because of the third year and they want to a player in 2010 too. I think we might have to include David Lee in the trade. D Wright and M Blount for E Curry and D Lee. No draft picks. But if we re-sign Lee that's at least 8 mil in 2010. Plus Curry's 11 mil. That's 19 more to play with. But'd rather have David Lee, or at least draft picks for him. The reality is we might have to use him to move Curry. Unless Curry comes back and plays gang busters.

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11/24/2008  11:21 AM
I dont think there is a cap friendly deal for Lee. The market value for him is $8-$9mm a year to start and thats too much IMO.

I think if you want to do this right you have to aquire extra picks for Lee and Curry. Add guys that can come in and play. Not stars but lunchpail types who will be productive. Hansbrough, CDR, Gomes, Milsap, Maxiel... the kind of guys that be productive and had later in the first round. Nate can be resigned cheap.

Then you offer Lebron max. Then offer Wade/Amare/Bosh/Dirk/Joe Johnson max. Then you offer Nash whats left (prob about $8-$10mm depending on cap).

To do that you essentially have to have a roster of guys with nothing but rookie deals, which we can accomplish. I would say Nate is the exception if he signs cheap.
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11/24/2008  11:45 AM
I'd like to trade Lee for a bigger, younger player. If the Sixers want him for Speights, that would be a good deal for both teams. We don't have his contract on the cap in 2010 and we have a younger guy who can give us some interior defense. They get a guy who can help them now more than Speights.
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11/24/2008  12:04 PM
Lee is a better trade chip if he's signed to a multi-year contract.
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11/24/2008  12:16 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Lee is a better trade chip if he's signed to a multi-year contract.
I disagree. Get him putting up huge numbers and trade him around in Jan. Whoever gets him is then in the drivers seat as he is only and RFA. Also he we had resigned him he would have been hard to trade because of the BYC trade rules.
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11/24/2008  12:17 PM
Ideally I would sign Lee to 5 yrs/37.5 mil and backload the deal.
Year 1: 5.5
Year 2 (2010): 6.5
Year 3: 7.5
Year 4: 8.5
Year 5 9.5
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11/24/2008  12:18 PM
Lee is the way to probably get some of the other stuff done, including collecting picks.
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islesfan
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11/24/2008  12:23 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:

Lee is a better trade chip if he's signed to a multi-year contract.
I disagree. Get him putting up huge numbers and trade him around in Jan. Whoever gets him is then in the drivers seat as he is only and RFA. Also he we had resigned him he would have been hard to trade because of the BYC trade rules.

I'm a little rusty on the base year rules for trading players but it would seem logical for a team to value having a player under contract and cost certainty when it comes to trading for a good young player. I would think that Lee would be in the driver's seat if he were traded since he can just play out the next year and become unrestricted.
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11/24/2008  12:25 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Ideally I would sign Lee to 5 yrs/37.5 mil and backload the deal.
Year 1: 5.5
Year 2 (2010): 6.5
Year 3: 7.5
Year 4: 8.5
Year 5 9.5
sure.. but he can do better. If he doesnt get a big extension he should just play for the QO next year. Then we most of the teams with big cap space in 2010 whiff there will be a LOT of money for the 2nd tier guys like Lee to cash in.

That contract is barely better than MLE. Lee is worth double that base on current market.

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islesfan
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11/24/2008  12:26 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Ideally I would sign Lee to 5 yrs/37.5 mil and backload the deal.
Year 1: 5.5
Year 2 (2010): 6.5
Year 3: 7.5
Year 4: 8.5
Year 5 9.5

I would take that right now but I think Lee will want twice as much.

If Lee is looking for a huge pay day, trade him by this year's deadline to get picks and perhaps use him as a sweetener to trade away Curry or Jeffries.

[Edited by - islesfan on 24-11-2008 12:27 PM]
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11/24/2008  12:30 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:

Lee is a better trade chip if he's signed to a multi-year contract.
I disagree. Get him putting up huge numbers and trade him around in Jan. Whoever gets him is then in the drivers seat as he is only and RFA. Also he we had resigned him he would have been hard to trade because of the BYC trade rules.

I'm a little rusty on the base year rules for trading players but it would seem logical for a team to value having a player under contract and cost certainty when it comes to trading for a good young player. I would think that Lee would be in the driver's seat if he were traded since he can just play out the next year and become unrestricted.
that so rarely happens. Ben Gordan is doing it because nobody would offer him $10mm plus (nobody really could). Aside from that it almost never happens. RFAs will get offers if they think the team doesnt want to resign. Remember Brand with the Clippers (Mia offerend him a big conract, LAC matched).

BYC is tough because you have to get a lot of other players involved.

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11/24/2008  12:32 PM
How is Lee gonna be getting twice as much as 7.5 mil a year in a market where everyone is saving up for 2010. Its just not going to happen.

[Edited by - vdesai on 11-24-2008 12:32 PM]
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11/24/2008  12:35 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Ideally I would sign Lee to 5 yrs/37.5 mil and backload the deal.
Year 1: 5.5
Year 2 (2010): 6.5
Year 3: 7.5
Year 4: 8.5
Year 5 9.5

I wouldn't even bother with resigning Lee or Nate for that matter. Can't take a chance on missing out on a big time FA signing all dollars and cents must be accounted for.

I'd let Lee and Nate walk I find nothing spectacular about these guys that they need to be a part of the Knicks.
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11/24/2008  12:37 PM
Posted by VDesai:

How is Lee gonna be getting twice as much as 7.5 mil a year in a market where everyone is saving up for 2010. Its just not going to happen.

[Edited by - vdesai on 11-24-2008 12:32 PM]
If you arent looking for cap space you will just resign him because who cares. But if Lee plays out next year and becomes an UFA there will be a lot of teams with cap space and nobody to spend it on. A lot of teams have overpaid for players when that happens (Eddie Robinson). Either way I think Lee has great options to get paid

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islesfan
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11/24/2008  12:41 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by VDesai:

Ideally I would sign Lee to 5 yrs/37.5 mil and backload the deal.
Year 1: 5.5
Year 2 (2010): 6.5
Year 3: 7.5
Year 4: 8.5
Year 5 9.5

I wouldn't even bother with resigning Lee or Nate for that matter. Can't take a chance on missing out on a big time FA signing all dollars and cents must be accounted for.

I'd let Lee and Nate walk I find nothing spectacular about these guys that they need to be a part of the Knicks.

I'd make the exception for Lee since he doesn't need the ball to be effective. In 2010, you're going to be looking to sign guys who can score and need the ball. Lee can be a nice complement to that. Nate isn't and isn't worth the cap space.
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islesfan
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11/24/2008  12:42 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by VDesai:

How is Lee gonna be getting twice as much as 7.5 mil a year in a market where everyone is saving up for 2010. Its just not going to happen.

[Edited by - vdesai on 11-24-2008 12:32 PM]
If you arent looking for cap space you will just resign him because who cares. But if Lee plays out next year and becomes an UFA there will be a lot of teams with cap space and nobody to spend it on. A lot of teams have overpaid for players when that happens (Eddie Robinson). Either way I think Lee has great options to get paid

Agreed. Lee is in a good situation being unrestricted in 2010. Sloppy seconds or even thirds isn't always a bad thing.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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