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11/19/2008  12:44 AM
Tonight its the worst I've felt about this team this season, and its still nice that we were always in the game and we made a run in the last minutes. But this is starting to get frustrating, the lack of size and interior defense. Garnet wasn't in the game, Pierce and Allen were humans, yet we made all their big men, most bench players, look like superstars. Its depressing seeing how the Celtics abused us inside. And while Jeffries will help when he gets back, its still too much for him.

The fact that we have two big centers in the roster and both are useless is infuriating and frustrating. One isn't in game shape and for his size has never stopped anyone inside, the other one is a sorry loser that only cares to get paid so he can get fatter and fatter. And they get paid millions for nothing, not even trying to get in game shape and help, while the rest of the players go out there and stand the abuse.

There has been amazing progress so far with this team, the most amazing is that we are competitive even though we have lots of holes in our game. Thats positive. I don't know if I want them to have a losing record so they have a nice chance to get a good player on the draft, but when the game is on, I want nothing but a W and this players have showed they can, but without useful pieces like big men, its gonna be hard to keep us above .500.

Does the problem get solved with a trade? Im not sure Walsh is looking to trade so he makes THIS team more competitive, but rather trades that continue the 2010 plan. Is there anyone out there that could help us now and maybe be part of the future? At this point Im willing to part with Lee because he isn't and will never be that answer, and the problem is just too much.
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11/19/2008  1:36 AM
Lack of defense period is the KNicks biggest problem.

Collins plays pretty good D, probably the best on the team but his offense is shaky, Chandler and Robinson make some nice defensive plays but neither is really good on defense yet.

And that is pretty much where is ends.

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11/19/2008  7:35 AM
That's why we should of drafted a center. Plain and simple. One who block shots like Lopez. Oh well, no use in crying over spilled draft picks.
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11/19/2008  7:39 AM
Jared Jeffries is a week a away
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11/19/2008  8:24 AM
Its not so much the interior D hurting as the inability of our perimeter defenders to stop anybody from either getting into the lane at will or getting wide open looks outside.

But yes, interior D is a problem.

Marcus Camby anyone?
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11/19/2008  8:42 AM
Posted by Knicksfan:

Tonight its the worst I've felt about this team this season, and its still nice that we were always in the game and we made a run in the last minutes. But this is starting to get frustrating, the lack of size and interior defense. Garnet wasn't in the game, Pierce and Allen were humans, yet we made all their big men, most bench players, look like superstars. Its depressing seeing how the Celtics abused us inside. And while Jeffries will help when he gets back, its still too much for him.

The fact that we have two big centers in the roster and both are useless is infuriating and frustrating. One isn't in game shape and for his size has never stopped anyone inside, the other one is a sorry loser that only cares to get paid so he can get fatter and fatter. And they get paid millions for nothing, not even trying to get in game shape and help, while the rest of the players go out there and stand the abuse.

There has been amazing progress so far with this team, the most amazing is that we are competitive even though we have lots of holes in our game. Thats positive. I don't know if I want them to have a losing record so they have a nice chance to get a good player on the draft, but when the game is on, I want nothing but a W and this players have showed they can, but without useful pieces like big men, its gonna be hard to keep us above .500.

Does the problem get solved with a trade? Im not sure Walsh is looking to trade so he makes THIS team more competitive, but rather trades that continue the 2010 plan. Is there anyone out there that could help us now and maybe be part of the future? At this point Im willing to part with Lee because he isn't and will never be that answer, and the problem is just too much.

I am confused as to which one is Curry and which one is James.
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11/19/2008  8:42 AM
ive said it all year long our biggest problem is interior defense
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11/19/2008  8:43 AM
We need a mobile shot-blocking center who can hit an open shot. Unfortunately, those guys are hard to find. If we trade Lee, and I am not necessarily saying we should, a center is what we should be looking for.
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11/19/2008  9:47 AM
Posted by TheGame:

We need a mobile shot-blocking center who can hit an open shot. Unfortunately, those guys are hard to find. If we trade Lee, and I am not necessarily saying we should, a center is what we should be looking for.

I think we only go this route is if we believe this current roster is one we want to try to build upon. I don't think that's a wise choice 6-5 start or not. This is not a roster to build a winner on. Therefore I don't see the value in using whatever assets we have to add this mythical "shot-blocking center that can also hit jump shots" to the roster. Where will that take us? We don't want to solidify ourselves into mediocrity and I think it's quite obvious that this roster as constructed guarantees mediocrity.

If you agree with me that it's a mediocre roster than I suggest that using an asset such as Lee needs to be done in a way that trims our 2011 payroll and returns us an asset or two along the way for future use.

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11/19/2008  9:50 AM
A guy like Dalembert would be heaven-sent for this team. Now, a guy like Hasheem Thabeet is projected to be a Mutombo/Dalembert tipe of center, but of course is expected to go early in the lottery. Drafting a guy like him would be a must.
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11/19/2008  9:55 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TheGame:

We need a mobile shot-blocking center who can hit an open shot. Unfortunately, those guys are hard to find. If we trade Lee, and I am not necessarily saying we should, a center is what we should be looking for.

I think we only go this route is if we believe this current roster is one we want to try to build upon. I don't think that's a wise choice 6-5 start or not. This is not a roster to build a winner on. Therefore I don't see the value in using whatever assets we have to add this mythical "shot-blocking center that can also hit jump shots" to the roster. Where will that take us? We don't want to solidify ourselves into mediocrity and I think it's quite obvious that this roster as constructed guarantees mediocrity.

If you agree with me that it's a mediocre roster than I suggest that using an asset such as Lee needs to be done in a way that trims our 2011 payroll and returns us an asset or two along the way for future use.

But you don't have to see it as only a way to help this year's team, but hopefully have a foundation at C. We will always need this type of center no matter if its still this team or an improved roster, so if you have to give up an asset for a young player that can develop into your everyday center, I see no problem with that.
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11/19/2008  11:44 AM
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TheGame:

We need a mobile shot-blocking center who can hit an open shot. Unfortunately, those guys are hard to find. If we trade Lee, and I am not necessarily saying we should, a center is what we should be looking for.

I think we only go this route is if we believe this current roster is one we want to try to build upon. I don't think that's a wise choice 6-5 start or not. This is not a roster to build a winner on. Therefore I don't see the value in using whatever assets we have to add this mythical "shot-blocking center that can also hit jump shots" to the roster. Where will that take us? We don't want to solidify ourselves into mediocrity and I think it's quite obvious that this roster as constructed guarantees mediocrity.

If you agree with me that it's a mediocre roster than I suggest that using an asset such as Lee needs to be done in a way that trims our 2011 payroll and returns us an asset or two along the way for future use.

But you don't have to see it as only a way to help this year's team, but hopefully have a foundation at C. We will always need this type of center no matter if its still this team or an improved roster, so if you have to give up an asset for a young player that can develop into your everyday center, I see no problem with that.

This is my point Cosmic. You have to start building this team for the future and whether now or 4 years from now, we are going to need a center. Very few teams win championships without a center who can blocks shots and make an open shot. If Randolph is our PF for the next 3-4 years, and I think he can be, then there is not going to be much room for Lee, since we also have to give playing time to DG and Chandler, both of whom seem to have more potential than Lee (although DG has alot to prove, starting with can he stay healthy). I certainly don't want to give Lee away and if there is a way he can stay, I would be fine with that because he works well with the second unit. But the fact of the matter is that Lee is going to want $10+ mill and that is a lot to pay your backup PF, who really cannot play center. My first option would be to trade Curry for maybe a young Theo Ratliff type but Lee is a RFA this summer, so we have to make a decision on him within the next 8 months.
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11/19/2008  1:58 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

Tonight its the worst I've felt about this team this season, and its still nice that we were always in the game and we made a run in the last minutes. But this is starting to get frustrating, the lack of size and interior defense. Garnet wasn't in the game, Pierce and Allen were humans, yet we made all their big men, most bench players, look like superstars. Its depressing seeing how the Celtics abused us inside. And while Jeffries will help when he gets back, its still too much for him.

The fact that we have two big centers in the roster and both are useless is infuriating and frustrating. One isn't in game shape and for his size has never stopped anyone inside, the other one is a sorry loser that only cares to get paid so he can get fatter and fatter. And they get paid millions for nothing, not even trying to get in game shape and help, while the rest of the players go out there and stand the abuse.

There has been amazing progress so far with this team, the most amazing is that we are competitive even though we have lots of holes in our game. Thats positive. I don't know if I want them to have a losing record so they have a nice chance to get a good player on the draft, but when the game is on, I want nothing but a W and this players have showed they can, but without useful pieces like big men, its gonna be hard to keep us above .500.

Does the problem get solved with a trade? Im not sure Walsh is looking to trade so he makes THIS team more competitive, but rather trades that continue the 2010 plan. Is there anyone out there that could help us now and maybe be part of the future? At this point Im willing to part with Lee because he isn't and will never be that answer, and the problem is just too much.

One isn't in game shape and for his size has never stopped anyone inside, the other one is a sorry loser that only cares to get paid so he can get fatter and fatter.


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11/19/2008  2:41 PM
Posted by daddynel:
Posted by Knicksfan:

Tonight its the worst I've felt about this team this season, and its still nice that we were always in the game and we made a run in the last minutes. But this is starting to get frustrating, the lack of size and interior defense. Garnet wasn't in the game, Pierce and Allen were humans, yet we made all their big men, most bench players, look like superstars. Its depressing seeing how the Celtics abused us inside. And while Jeffries will help when he gets back, its still too much for him.

The fact that we have two big centers in the roster and both are useless is infuriating and frustrating. One isn't in game shape and for his size has never stopped anyone inside, the other one is a sorry loser that only cares to get paid so he can get fatter and fatter. And they get paid millions for nothing, not even trying to get in game shape and help, while the rest of the players go out there and stand the abuse.

There has been amazing progress so far with this team, the most amazing is that we are competitive even though we have lots of holes in our game. Thats positive. I don't know if I want them to have a losing record so they have a nice chance to get a good player on the draft, but when the game is on, I want nothing but a W and this players have showed they can, but without useful pieces like big men, its gonna be hard to keep us above .500.

Does the problem get solved with a trade? Im not sure Walsh is looking to trade so he makes THIS team more competitive, but rather trades that continue the 2010 plan. Is there anyone out there that could help us now and maybe be part of the future? At this point Im willing to part with Lee because he isn't and will never be that answer, and the problem is just too much.

One isn't in game shape and for his size has never stopped anyone inside, the other one is a sorry loser that only cares to get paid so he can get fatter and fatter.


witch one's witch?

They are twin-brothers... and if they both will be hit by the plains... we can get trade exemption from NBA.
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11/19/2008  3:01 PM
Our perimeter D is actually much improved from what i'm seeing. It isn't that easy to score on us as it sometimes looks. What is happening is that teams are FOCUSING on getting to the hole against us. They know we don't have ANY bigs who will challenge a shot. All game long I see some good defensive effort from our perimeter players, who do a good job of closing down lanes and switching. The fact that we don't have bigs that are qiuck enough to help defend means that when our perimeter guys do get beat they often have no backup. Let's face it all teams get broken down, but it's the reaction to that which makes all the difference.

Even tho we don't know who is going to stay for the long haul, i'd still try to see if there's a way to get a mobile big in here that can grow with the team. We need an active shotblocker, who isn't inept offensively and we need a more dependable SG. Jamal is a net zero if he isn't hitting shots.

I'm not worried cuz I believe that MDA and Walsh see exactly what we're seeing on the floor. I think they realize that Q can't defend the 3 and Jamal can't defend the 2. I think they know we need upgrades there.
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11/19/2008  3:38 PM
Totally right. This needs a Camby type presence, the same that lead them to the 99 finals and it would be pretty decent.
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11/19/2008  3:42 PM
How about David Lee + Malik Rose for Marcus Camby? Then sign Ewing Jr.?
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11/19/2008  5:08 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

How about David Lee + Malik Rose for Marcus Camby? Then sign Ewing Jr.?

That may help us now, but not in the long run. I'd rather trade for a young player who, as nixluva says, can grow with the team. Especially if we are trading a guy like Lee.
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11/19/2008  5:11 PM
Camby's jumper is not good enough to play defense for MDA
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11/19/2008  5:13 PM
Posted by McK1:

Camby's jumper is not good enough to play defense for MDA

Camby's jumper has improved dramatically since he was here. He even hits 3's now and then. He is a much better shooter than Lee.

But with our luck Camby would show up just in time for his final physical breakdown.

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