So much for this buyout talk, Marbury says I want it all
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EnySpree
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11/15/2008 12:37 PM
if Jerome James can sit on the bench and never play a game than why cant Marbs?
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Knicksfan
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11/15/2008 12:41 PM
HA! A guy that does what he did last season dares to do this? Ha! Fine, just tell him to keep coming at practice but not to take part of them, to come to games and not play and we'll see if he doesn't take less. Hasn't he realized the Knicks are in the driver's seat here? We have no rush to buy him out, trade him etc. Heck, I would even wait until the trading deadline to see if he can be traded because you never know, crazier things have happened in the NBA.
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Pharzeone
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11/15/2008 12:43 PM
Posted by EnySpree: Good point. I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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Pharzeone
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11/15/2008 12:47 PM
Posted by Knicksfan: How are the Knicks in the driver seat. You are assuming that Marbury is hurting because he wants to play. It only appears to be bothering Walsh because he is the one that keeps calling the meetings. Marbury seems fine with it all. He has the support from other players around the league and his union. As Isola said yesterday, the Knicks turned this guy into a sympathetic figure.  [Edited by - pharzeone on 11-15-2008 12:49 PM] I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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EnySpree
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11/15/2008 12:49 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:Posted by EnySpree: Also if you have a contract that says you are owed a certain amount of money....then why do you need to be accompanied buy lawyers? Knicks should pay Marbs his money....they are gonna have to pay him anyway. If it was a longer contract then yeah a buyout makes sense, but he's owed just this season.....he's entitled to his bread.  Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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Pharzeone
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11/15/2008 12:52 PM
The lawyers were a good move by Marbury. They probably read Walsh the contract. You don't need an agent when you already have a contract. I don't think Walsh will be calling anymore meetings unless he is ready to give him all his money and just waive him.
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BasketballJones
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11/15/2008 12:55 PM
To me this suggests that basketball just isn't that important to Marbury any more.
As I understand it, the deal offered is that the Knicks will pay the difference between Marbury's current salary and whatever he would get with a new team. He would still get the same amount of money, and he would get to play basketball. Or is it true that no other team would sign him? If I were a professional basketball player with a limited number of years in which to pursue my playing career, I think I'd want to be playing. [Edited by - basketballjones on 11-15-2008 12:56] https://
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CrushAlot
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11/15/2008 12:57 PM
Marbury needs to repair his image in a contract year. He needs to move on more than the Knicks do. What the Knicks are suggesting is not unreasonable. It benefits both parties. Marbury wants to make more money this year for the privilege to play for his next contract. It doesn't make sense. If he had an agent this would have been taken care of.
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Pharzeone
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11/15/2008 1:04 PM
Posted by BasketballJones: That makes no sense. Why should he take less from the Knicks if he can still sign somewhere else and get more. Haven't you read the papers the economy's bad. Make sure you get all money on the table before leaving a room. Hell everyone else does it. I guarantee people on this board who have been terminated haven't left any money on the table in those exit interviews from any servance packages. I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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joec32033
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11/15/2008 1:09 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:Posted by BasketballJones: MAYBE Knicks point guard Stephon Marbury should have consulted Sean Combs before he bought himself a private jet. Marbury - in the last year of his Knicks contract, which will pay him another $21 million - is said to have plunked down about $45 million for the aircraft. But Combs, who already owns a jet, isn't using it because fuel costs have skyrocketed. The hip-hop mogul explains on Diddy Blog No. 12, which he videotaped in an airline terminal before boarding a commercial flight, "Gas prices are too mother[bleep]ing high," Combs says, wearing an off-kilter Yankees cap. "I've been flying back and forth to LA pursuing my acting career. If I fly back and forth twice a month, that's like $250,000 round trip. [Bleep] that! I'm back on American Airlines now . . . and I'm in coach!" He did upgrade from a truck..... [Edited by - joec32033 on 15 November 2008 13:10] ~You can't run from who you are.~
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Knicksfan
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11/15/2008 1:09 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:Posted by Knicksfan: They are in the driver's seat because they can just let this play out the rest of the season. Marbury may or may not want to play right now. He may be fine with playing everything like this for now, but we know that won't happen the rest of the season. At some point he will explode and right now, if reports are right he is seeking help from the Union and exploring buyout scenarios, it means he is re-thinking things. If that's right, he is trying to see how to change this situation. Look, D'Antoni can simply keep ignoring Marbury on the team. Walsh can make him come to practices and to games and not worry about buyouts. The one who really needs a change in this situation is Marbury. The team is playing well and right now that's making the first pages everywhere. He may have thought they would suck and would need him but that's not the case. So who needs a change is Marbury and he is the one hurting his chances not accepting less in a buyout. Wanna make the whole money? Ok, Walsh would say, but I'm not buying you out. Knicks_Fan
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BasketballJones
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11/15/2008 1:15 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:Posted by BasketballJones: Well, I don't know what the end-game will be, but presumably the Knicks can just pay Marbury and let him sit on the bench. In this Scenario, Marbury gets $ 21.9 million for doing nothing. Awesome. Or, Marbury and the Knicks can come to an agreement - Marbury signs with some other team for $ 4 million and the Knicks pay him 17.9 million. Marbury gets $ 21.9 million and gets to play basketball. If Marbury doesn't want to play basketball, then it makes sense for him to take deal #1. (I'd prefer this option really because it'll make an interesting side-show this season.) https://
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Knicksfan
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11/15/2008 1:16 PM
Posted by EnySpree:Posted by Pharzeone:Posted by EnySpree: Yeah, but Marbury wants the bread along with the whole fast food chain, which doesn't make him bad because its his contract, yes, but then if he is under contract the Knicks have the right to do whatever they want with him. You wan't your money? Ok, but that means you are our employee and we can choose to use you or not. If that's the case, the Knicks can simply keep paying him but not play him. If he does want to play and since it wont happen here, then lets talk about less money. You think the Knicks don't want to save any millions they could? That's what this is all about. Knicks_Fan
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Pharzeone
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11/15/2008 1:16 PM
Marbury seems to be happy whether the Knick lose or win. You can tell because he is still smiling. MSG makes sure to show it too. No I think Marbury is content. I do find it funny that these meetings seem to be call after each Knick loss. Marbury and James seem to be enjoying themselves. If anything, I think it will be D'Antoni that will lose his cool over it. All it takes is a blow out lost and Marbury, James and Curry to be laughing it up on the end of the bench.
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Pharzeone
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11/15/2008 1:19 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:Posted by Pharzeone:Posted by BasketballJones: I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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EnySpree
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11/15/2008 1:22 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:Posted by EnySpree:Posted by Pharzeone:Posted by EnySpree: you right about that point.....Marbs wants to play but he's not gonna play for the Knicks then yeah he should give back som ebread to play for another team this season..... But if marbs don't want to give up any bread....then he's gotta make toast...and then the Knicks will banish him.....then we can bring Islesfan back, lol. Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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Knicksfan
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11/15/2008 1:26 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:Posted by BasketballJones: Ok, there are two important things here: money and playing. The Knicks message is clear: you can only get one right now because we won't play you, but if you want to play and earn the money, we pay the difference of your next contract. Thats fair. And while the economy may be bad, we are talking millions here. Sure he has the right to want more, and that reasoning also makes the Knicks proposition have sense, because in such an economy, saving not only some millions of his contract but also the luxury tax is completely relevant. If Marbury want to earn his money, then stay put. But if you want to play, like you say you do, then negotiate, because the Knicks have nothing to lose right now. Knicks_Fan
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Pharzeone
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11/15/2008 1:30 PM
Like I said before, Walsh is the one calling these meetings from everything I read, not Marbury. One party appears content while the other party doesn't. You don't have to be a detective to know which party isn't content.
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So much for this buyout talk, Marbury says I want it all