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SupremeCommander
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11/14/2008  3:49 PM
David Lee's best statistical season was in 2006-07.

 
 Year  	FG%	FT%	Off R	Def R	RPG	Ast	TO	Stl	Blk	PF	PPG
 05-06	59.6	57.7	1.6	2.9	4.5	0.6	0.8	0.5	0.3	1.9	5.2
 06-07	60	81.5	3.4	7	10.4	1.8	1.6	0.8	0.4	2.7	10.7
 07-08	55.2	81.9	3	6	8.9	1.2	1.2	0.7	0.4	2.6	10.8
 08-09	48.5	69.6	1.5	4.6	6.1	1.9	1.6	0.9	0.3	3.1	10.3


He shot his highest FG%, came close to his FT% high, had his high is RPG, came very close to his APG and SPG high (both barely higher this season so who knows), and came very close to his PPG high.

Lee is obviously a young player and could very well improve, but his numbers seem to be consistent in that he is not quite a double-double guy. He had that one season, which to me looks like more of an aberration than anything at this point.

The more I think about it, the more I dislike keeping him long term because of the salary he'll command. And if the team is going to let him walk, doesn't it make sense to do a Lee, Curry, Rose for Marion deal? The Knicks would have a shot to make a little noise this year and decide if Marion is worth keeping or not, but regardless, get out of Curry monstrous deal.

Irregardless of that deal though, I'm suspecting 10 and 10 with Lee's obvious flaws are the best the team can expect.
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11/14/2008  4:17 PM
We pretty much saw his best with Knicks...
With other teams this is another question.
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11/14/2008  4:20 PM
i think Lee has not been healthy since that season. If he gets totally healthy, he should be able to avg 14 and 10 on 55/80 shooting
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11/14/2008  4:36 PM
Lee is what he is a very good/great role player. He will not be more than that until/if he ever develops a jump shot. Hustle will only get you so far.
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11/14/2008  4:37 PM
even without a jumpshot, better interior defense could make him a great player. He should study Kurt Thomas film... KT never blocked a shot but he was a great defender
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11/14/2008  4:45 PM
Even with the defense if he can hit a jump shot it will be five guarding four, I do understand he doesn't play a lot of D now but that is just another weakness in his game. I think the jumper is more important at this point. If you get a shot blocker it can cover up some of the bad defense but you can't hide on offense the ball will find you.
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11/14/2008  4:47 PM
i think Lee has shown he does have a jumper, I dont know what people are buggin about.. When he shoots a 15 footer it goes in %50 of the time.. is that not good enough?
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11/14/2008  4:48 PM
Posted by Elite:

i think Lee has shown he does have a jumper, I dont know what people are buggin about.. When he shoots a 15 footer it goes in %50 of the time.. is that not good enough?

We need 10000%!!!!!!!
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Posted by Elite:

i think Lee has shown he does have a jumper, I dont know what people are buggin about.. When he shoots a 15 footer it goes in %50 of the time.. is that not good enough?

50%? More like 25% - 35%.

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11/14/2008  4:52 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Elite:

i think Lee has shown he does have a jumper, I dont know what people are buggin about.. When he shoots a 15 footer it goes in %50 of the time.. is that not good enough?

50%? More like 25% - 35%.

oohah

are you watching him this year or talkingabout his rookie year? cuz hes been pretty consistant this year.

Every time he makes a shot the announcers are like "hes really improved that shot" yet everyone still wants to say he hasnt lol i dont get it....

I'd like to see a stat of DLEE's midrange % this year... even last year.. I bet you its above average especially for a big
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11/14/2008  4:54 PM
I questioned Lee's conditioning earlier but found out that he had a bone spur so he has impressed me more than anything else. He takes to the court and isn't using his injury as an excuse. Kudos to him. The only thing that I would like to see him do is become a better post defender and block some shots. He should think about putting on some more muscle too.
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Posted by Elite:


are you watching him this year or talkingabout his rookie year? cuz hes been pretty consistant this year.

Every time he makes a shot the announcers are like "hes really improved that shot" yet everyone still wants to say he hasnt lol i dont get it....

I'd like to see a stat of DLEE's midrange % this year... even last year.. I bet you its above average especially for a big

You're watching with your heart dawg. Udonis Haslem is a 50% or better shooter from 15 feet, not Lee.

From my count, Lee has made 1 of his last 5 or 6 15 footers, and maybe 2 of 5 of his last 10-12 footers.

The announcers, especially Breen are just making stuff up.

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11/14/2008  5:03 PM
ou're watching with your heart dawg. Udonis Haslem is a 50% or better shooter from 15 feet, not Lee.

From my count, Lee has made 1 of his last 5 or 6 15 footers, and maybe 2 of 5 of his last 10-12 footers.

The announcers, especially Breen are just making stuff up.

Thank You! Finally a honest statement from a knick fan on David Lee
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11/14/2008  5:17 PM
Lee needs to add bulk to his frame. I think his best position is PF and to play there, he needs about 15 more pounds of muscle (he is not a center and MDA is killing him making him play center). If he bulks up, I think he will have the strength to be an effective PF. He is developing a few low post moves and his shot within 10 feet is looking decent. I think he can develop into a 15/10 guy if given 35 minutes a game on a consistent basis, but he will need to get a little stronger to get there.

[Edited by - thegame on 14-11-2008 17:19]
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11/14/2008  5:37 PM
You can find David Lee's shot charts here. You guys tell me if he is a 50% shooter from 15 feet.

Copy and paste directly in the Firefox address bar.

http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081031_NY@PHI
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081102_MIL@NY
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081105_CHA@NY
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081107_NY@WAS
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081109_UTA@NY
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081111_NY@SA
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081112_NY@MEM

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[Edited by - oohah on 14-11-2008 5:43 PM]
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11/14/2008  5:39 PM
Posted by oohah:

You can find David Lee's shot charts here. You guys tell me if he is a 50% shooter from 15 feet.

http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081031_NY@PHI
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081102_MIL@NY
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081105_CHA@NY
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081107_NY@WAS
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081109_UTA@NY
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081111_NY@SA
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081112_NY@MEM

oohah

That's weird. Those urls are bringing up my email reader.... Probably because of the '@' sign.

https:// It's not so hard.
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11/14/2008  5:40 PM
I calculate Lee on 15 foot or longer shots 4 for 14 or 4 for 15 on the season thus far. That is 26-28 percent.

oohah
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11/14/2008  5:42 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:


That's weird. Those urls are bringing up my email reader.... Probably because of the '@' sign.


Start from here: http://www.sportsline.com/nba/scoreboard

You can see shot charts from every game and break it down by player.

Try copying and pasting this directly in firefox:

http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081031_NY@PHI
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081102_MIL@NY
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081105_CHA@NY
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081107_NY@WAS
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081109_UTA@NY
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081111_NY@SA
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081112_NY@MEM

oohah
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11/14/2008  5:47 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BasketballJones:


That's weird. Those urls are bringing up my email reader.... Probably because of the '@' sign.


Start from here: http://www.sportsline.com/nba/scoreboard

You can see shot charts from every game and break it down by player.

Try copying and pasting this directly in firefox:

http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081031_NY@PHI
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081102_MIL@NY
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081105_CHA@NY
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081107_NY@WAS
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081109_UTA@NY
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081111_NY@SA
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20081112_NY@MEM

oohah


Thanks for posting these visuals because like you said, guys do be posting with thier hearts and not thier brains when it comes to certian players on this team.
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11/14/2008  5:51 PM
Posted by Uptown:


Thanks for posting these visuals because like you said, guys do be posting with thier hearts and not thier brains when it comes to certian players on this team.

You're welcome buddy. But it's not about "hearts or brains", I don't want to insult my homie Elite. It is "eyes or hearts".

oohah



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