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EnySpree
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11/13/2008  1:08 AM
Does Donnie Walsh look to make a lateral trade to provide the Knicks the "missing piece" to make them a legit playoff team......I know its incredibly early.....just under 10% of the season has been played and it's a marathon.....

But....

I have been thinking....I watched the Spurs game again, and I listened to the post game comments......

#1. D'antoni to me.....he was shocked those bums in San Antonio came to play. His defensive philosophy was to crash in on Duncan and allow the bums to shoot. He talked about Finley and Bowen and sounded a little annoyed to even mention them as guys that beat his team that night.

#2. Crawford, Duhon and whoever else was interviewed said the same thing and also had the confidence that D'antoni displayed in his interview

Point being.......D'antoni wants to win and is confident in "my guys" to win basketball games. "My Guys" are now taking on his personality and are talking like they are ready for the next game and they can beat the next team whoever comes along. I don't know if you guys notice it, thats why I'm starting this thread....

anyway, back to the "missing piece" comment.......

OK OK, missing piece to what you idiot!!!! Yeah yeah hear me out......

Quentin Richardson.....the starting forward of the NY Knicks. He is the weakest link to this team....right now he's just that guy that kinda ****s up the flow or the momentum.....at best he's just rolling with the big boys......until they can get a suitable sub to come alot and take his spot......

Gerald Wallace and Al Harrington.......now we have already talked about them and alot of people have said they dont want those guys to take away from Wilson Chandler...FACT: WILSON CHANDLER IS THE STARTING POWER FORWARD OF THE NY KNICKS.....so that means since Q-Rich is the starting small fwd......there is a huge opening that Wallace and Harrington can fill almost seemlessly.

Lateral trade? yeah.....Malik and Lee, Curry, or however it gets done....its Lateral....But the Knicks simply need that consistacy and potency that Q-Rich simply doesnt have anymore.

Now picking up Wallace or Harrington doesnt make the Knicks world beaters.....what it does do is keep the Knicks realistically where they are in the standings.....about 6-8th seed in the playoffs....and yes my friends(shout to McCain) is a success especially since neither player messes up the 2010 plan that everyone seems to love in the butt. Also Gallo is now dead in the water this year so picking up a temporary replacement in the rotation makes sense.

Hypothetical Rotation:

Wilson/Jared
Wallace or Harrington/Q-Rich
Zach Randolph/Jared
Duhon/Nate
Jamal/Roberson or Belinelli?

Again.....not a world beating line-up.....but it's comparible to the Atlanta Hawks last season.

The Knicks have established their scorers....Jamal and Zach....Wilson picking his spots......Nate off the bench....Duhon getting what comes to him......Knicks need another scorer to pick up that Q-rich slack that will keep the flow going and even carry the team at times like in San antonio when everyone was off.....that extra scorer could add that extra piece of confidence and adrenaline to infect a team just right to give a team confidence to pull out wins.

sooooooooooo?
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11/13/2008  2:38 AM
I think this team is already a playoff spot team. I think we should just go according to plan and get rid of a few contracts to further that plan. If it makes the team better and if we are in the playoffs, then it is a plus and will bring back some enthusiasm to the team and the fans alike.

But I just don't want it to turn into another 'win now' movement. If we do well this year, then good. That's all that's needed at this point. Realistically, we are not winning no championship with this team. San Antonio did exactly what they did to D'Antoni's old team. They slowed down the Knicks and took care of business at their own pace. A pace we all know this Knicks team cannot play well.
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11/13/2008  7:08 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Does Donnie Walsh look to make a lateral trade to provide the Knicks the "missing piece" to make them a legit playoff team......I know its incredibly early.....just under 10% of the season has been played and it's a marathon.....

But....

I have been thinking....I watched the Spurs game again, and I listened to the post game comments......

#1. D'antoni to me.....he was shocked those bums in San Antonio came to play. His defensive philosophy was to crash in on Duncan and allow the bums to shoot. He talked about Finley and Bowen and sounded a little annoyed to even mention them as guys that beat his team that night.

#2. Crawford, Duhon and whoever else was interviewed said the same thing and also had the confidence that D'antoni displayed in his interview

Point being.......D'antoni wants to win and is confident in "my guys" to win basketball games. "My Guys" are now taking on his personality and are talking like they are ready for the next game and they can beat the next team whoever comes along. I don't know if you guys notice it, thats why I'm starting this thread....

anyway, back to the "missing piece" comment.......

OK OK, missing piece to what you idiot!!!! Yeah yeah hear me out......

Quentin Richardson.....the starting forward of the NY Knicks. He is the weakest link to this team....right now he's just that guy that kinda ****s up the flow or the momentum.....at best he's just rolling with the big boys......until they can get a suitable sub to come alot and take his spot......

Gerald Wallace and Al Harrington.......now we have already talked about them and alot of people have said they dont want those guys to take away from Wilson Chandler...FACT: WILSON CHANDLER IS THE STARTING POWER FORWARD OF THE NY KNICKS.....so that means since Q-Rich is the starting small fwd......there is a huge opening that Wallace and Harrington can fill almost seemlessly.

Lateral trade? yeah.....Malik and Lee, Curry, or however it gets done....its Lateral....But the Knicks simply need that consistacy and potency that Q-Rich simply doesnt have anymore.

Now picking up Wallace or Harrington doesnt make the Knicks world beaters.....what it does do is keep the Knicks realistically where they are in the standings.....about 6-8th seed in the playoffs....and yes my friends(shout to McCain) is a success especially since neither player messes up the 2010 plan that everyone seems to love in the butt. Also Gallo is now dead in the water this year so picking up a temporary replacement in the rotation makes sense.

Hypothetical Rotation:

Wilson/Jared
Wallace or Harrington/Q-Rich
Zach Randolph/Jared
Duhon/Nate
Jamal/Roberson or Belinelli?

Again.....not a world beating line-up.....but it's comparible to the Atlanta Hawks last season.

The Knicks have established their scorers....Jamal and Zach....Wilson picking his spots......Nate off the bench....Duhon getting what comes to him......Knicks need another scorer to pick up that Q-rich slack that will keep the flow going and even carry the team at times like in San antonio when everyone was off.....that extra scorer could add that extra piece of confidence and adrenaline to infect a team just right to give a team confidence to pull out wins.

sooooooooooo?
I am in total agreement - been saying this exact thing to my friends.
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11/13/2008  8:05 AM
I rarely listen to talk radio but happened to be in the car yesterday and they were going on and on about how DAntoni's benching Marbury and Curry totally won over the lockerroom
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11/13/2008  8:58 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I rarely listen to talk radio but happened to be in the car yesterday and they were going on and on about how DAntoni's benching Marbury and Curry totally won over the lockerroom

who was saying that?
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11/13/2008  9:23 AM
it was 660.. maybe the day before. Joe Beningo and whoever else. Said they heard that from several guys that cover the Knicks. Based on how they are playing its not really a stretch, but its something positive.
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11/13/2008  10:22 AM
These ARE I.Thomas Knicks and Chandler is NOT a Power Forward. IMO, he is more of a 3.
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11/13/2008  10:39 AM
Posted by Swishfm3:

These ARE I.Thomas Knicks and Chandler is NOT a Power Forward. IMO, he is more of a 3.
well Duhon is new and the guys ISiah built this team around have yet to log a minute

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11/13/2008  10:44 AM
Posted by fishmike:

well Duhon is new and the guys ISiah built this team around have yet to log a minute

Crawford, Q, Lee, Randolph, Chandler, Robinson...all Thomas guys being used much better than they were previously. Coaching is the difference so far.

By the way Lenny Wilkens would have done a nice job with these fellows.

oohah



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11/13/2008  10:54 AM
Isiah Thomas cannot coach. He's proven that a long time ago. Just because he had an all-star pair in J'Oneal and Artest and they made the playoffs that year doesn't mean that Isiah suddenly became a great coach. He has an eye for talent in the draft.........THAT's it!!

As far as creating a system that fits the players, as far as molding players to fit his system (which by the way is what again?? Jamal iso top of the key 50 times in a row??????), he has zero skills.

How many times did we see him coaching the Knicks and try to be like the Zen master and not call any timeouts when the team was going through a dry spell of shooting on the court?

He had an eye for talent and this is why his philosophy was to dump it to Curry all the time in the post. He knew Curry was unstoppable one on one and so he ran that and the Jamal iso play over and over again. Teams started double teaming Curry and big boy couldn't pass for **** so there goes Isiah's game plan.

D'Antoni on the other hand is proving that he can coach. He is beating teams that we SHOULD be beating with the talent level we have. Our 3 losses, against a defensive Spurs (and mind you only thanks to Finley getting out of his shooting funk), against Philly where we were severely undersized in the paint, and against Milwaukee.....again severely undersized in the paint.

They have 6 ACTIVE players (of which at least 4 played) on their roster 6-10 and up. Knicks......NONE. I may sound crazy saying this and I cant believe I am saying it (because I hated this guy last year), but Jared Jeffries might just bring that length back in the paint for us to deter people from pounding it inside early and often.

If we do get another guy like Wallace or Harrington for Curry.........all the more better.
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11/13/2008  10:57 AM
we need a center who can block shots far more than we need a small forward
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11/13/2008  11:12 AM
You forget to mention that he also spoke of team chemistry. This is something you haven't heard to many times in recent years. At this point in the building process, chemistry and trust might lead to confidence and consistency. That is something to build on.
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11/13/2008  11:17 AM
Posted by Elite:

we need a center who can block shots far more than we need a small forward

Of course....JJ2 does have some of that ability, not a monster there obviously, but how many of those are there in the league that are available? If we do get an SF who can shoot and run and pass though in say Harrington then Qrich is expendable and offensively we just became the GSW of 2 playoffs ago. Combine that with the efforts of Chandler and JJ2 in shotblocking.....we might be alright. Not great, but definitely easily in the playoffs.

A deal for Wallace would on the other hand improve shot blocking more than shooting and with him, Chandler and JJ2 there to deter/deflect some shots, inside defense might just be much better.

Either way.....anything that can be had for dead weight Curry is a VAST improvement.
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11/13/2008  11:32 AM
I'm a big fan of Gerald Wallace. He's not a star, but he's not far below one. Ideally, we should make trades that improve our cap position in 2010. But there's nothing wrong with making trades that don't hurt our cap position in 2010. Wallace would make us faster, smarter, more intense and better defensively. If there's a reasonable trade that doesn't hurt our 2010 cap and brings us Gerald Wallace, I'm a supporter.
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11/13/2008  11:32 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by fishmike:

well Duhon is new and the guys ISiah built this team around have yet to log a minute

Crawford, Q, Lee, Randolph, Chandler, Robinson...all Thomas guys being used much better than they were previously. Coaching is the difference so far.

By the way Lenny Wilkens would have done a nice job with these fellows.

oohah
better coaching and addition through subtraction. Between Eddie's per stats and everyone just hating Marbury the whole squad is playing better.

Lenny did a good job with the first team he had. That Marbury/Frank/Shandon/Kurt/KVH/etc team was winning games and playoff bound. Then Zeke phucked it all up. Rest is history.

I liked Lenny. Hell I thought Chaney did a good job the year McDyess went down

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11/13/2008  11:53 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by fishmike:

well Duhon is new and the guys ISiah built this team around have yet to log a minute

Crawford, Q, Lee, Randolph, Chandler, Robinson...all Thomas guys being used much better than they were previously. Coaching is the difference so far.

By the way Lenny Wilkens would have done a nice job with these fellows.

oohah

Exactly..and just like Cartman stated...he can not coach. He also can't manage money, but he is a good scout.
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11/13/2008  12:08 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by fishmike:

well Duhon is new and the guys ISiah built this team around have yet to log a minute

Crawford, Q, Lee, Randolph, Chandler, Robinson...all Thomas guys being used much better than they were previously. Coaching is the difference so far.

By the way Lenny Wilkens would have done a nice job with these fellows.

oohah

Exactly..and just like Cartman stated...he can not coach. He also can't manage money, but he is a good scout.

Isiah should be in charge of making our 2nd round picks.
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11/13/2008  12:39 PM
Posted by Elite:

we need a center who can block shots far more than we need a small forward

It's incredibly easy to say but how is the ultimate question.....

Brad Miller has quietly been playing well after missing the beginign of the year with a drug suspension. Spencer Hawes is ready to start right now!!! Even now that Brad si starting....Hawes has still been getting some good production in less minutes.

Now we talked about a Zach for Miller trade but at this time Sactown has Thompson thats playing extreamly well and looking like a candidate for rookie of the year. So Malik Rose and another player for Miller?....it doesnt make sense cap wise but Brad Miller is the guy the Knicks kinda sorta can pic up and he is the absolute best passing big man in the nba. He can defend his position and can suprise with some block shots at times.....I dunno if he'd fit, but as far as centers he's the best thats probably available.

Anyway, the Knicks can get a small fwd right now....without much trouble. Maybe next season the Knicks will be able to pick up someone to play center.....I'm stressing out trying to find someone worth the trouble that will actually play. Lord knows I wish Camby could take Q-rich's spot in the starting line-up.....but thats not realistic.
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11/13/2008  1:11 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by fishmike:

well Duhon is new and the guys ISiah built this team around have yet to log a minute

Crawford, Q, Lee, Randolph, Chandler, Robinson...all Thomas guys being used much better than they were previously. Coaching is the difference so far.

By the way Lenny Wilkens would have done a nice job with these fellows.

oohah
better coaching and addition through subtraction. Between Eddie's per stats and everyone just hating Marbury the whole squad is playing better.

Lenny did a good job with the first team he had. That Marbury/Frank/Shandon/Kurt/KVH/etc team was winning games and playoff bound. Then Zeke phucked it all up. Rest is history.

I liked Lenny. Hell I thought Chaney did a good job the year McDyess went down

Yup. Isiah made Lenny impotent. He fired one of his assistants, gave all the power to Marbs. There was no way Lenny could win with the lack of support.
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11/13/2008  1:26 PM
Posted by Cartman718:
Posted by Elite:

we need a center who can block shots far more than we need a small forward

Of course....JJ2 does have some of that ability, not a monster there obviously, but how many of those are there in the league that are available? If we do get an SF who can shoot and run and pass though in say Harrington then Qrich is expendable and offensively we just became the GSW of 2 playoffs ago. Combine that with the efforts of Chandler and JJ2 in shotblocking.....we might be alright. Not great, but definitely easily in the playoffs.

A deal for Wallace would on the other hand improve shot blocking more than shooting and with him, Chandler and JJ2 there to deter/deflect some shots, inside defense might just be much better.

Either way.....anything that can be had for dead weight Curry is a VAST improvement.

I am kind of puzzled with all this JJ2 talks.
This guy will go straight to the hospital after playing against real centers. And not like Galo with the back but with some broken bone.
As per shooting, handling the ball, and offense he is one the worst players I ever seen in NBA.
Why he is coming into talks so often? Just because Mike mentioned him once in positive way.
I am sure after Mike will see JJ2 play he will go straight to inactive list.





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