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11/10/2008  12:56 PM
He's slow, plays poor defense, has no mid range shot, can't hit the three, can't attack the basket (the two times he tried last night he was so slow/awkward an un-coordinated that he outran his own feet), and the only reason he gets rebounds is because he leaves his man to open/unchallenged to run to the basket and box out. Yes, he can handle the ball, but so can everyone else.

So what is it about him that everyone likes? He doesn't have any natural talent and doesn't even have average physical ability....he is a good team player and has a great work ethic.

So what is it about him that makes him popular and the guy other teams ask about?
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11/10/2008  1:16 PM
He's being asked to play center as opposed to Power Forward and is also probably overwhelmed with the pressure of playing for a contract eventhough he would never admit it because he's a true team player. He's also concerned a lot with his jump shot.
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11/10/2008  1:32 PM
An interesting psychological phenomenon. The one guy everyone likes gets beaten down once other start to perform.

David Lee is an excellent team player who runs the floor, can put the ball on the floor, passes well, gives 100% effort and crashes the boards. He's a good finisher that can make some highlight reel dunks. He has a burgeoning post game, with a pretty decent spin move and jump hook.

Yes his jumper isn't good. But he does require a man to guard him b/c he can put it on the floor, set up another big man, kick it out, or post up. Yes his defense isn't good one on one, but he at least buys into the concept of team D. If he can guard other 4's he'd be better off, but throughout his career he's guarded out of position.

And lets take a look at his productivity- 55-60% shooting, double digit points and rebounds. Doesn't use a lot of possessions, creates other possesions and scores at a nice clip. That's the kind of player that makes the team better. Not a star to build around, but a player that enhances the value of your lineup.- i.e. glue guy.
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11/10/2008  1:38 PM
The one thing I dislike about Lee's game is his d. I don't think he can fix that, because if he could, he would have by now. Other than that, he's the kind of player who always finds a way to help the team.
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Posted by Rookie:

He's slow, plays poor defense, has no mid range shot, can't hit the three, can't attack the basket (the two times he tried last night he was so slow/awkward an un-coordinated that he outran his own feet), and the only reason he gets rebounds is because he leaves his man to open/unchallenged to run to the basket and box out. Yes, he can handle the ball, but so can everyone else.

So what is it about him that everyone likes? He doesn't have any natural talent and doesn't even have average physical ability....he is a good team player and has a great work ethic.

So what is it about him that makes him popular and the guy other teams ask about?

Yo Rookie- stop sounding like a jackazz. Have you watched all or most of the knick games over the last 3 years? If you want to say he's not worth $10 million a year, fine. But stop with the asinine talk that he has no natural talent and average physical ability. I do think he is struggling a bit but give him time. Wise up Rookie.

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Posted by Rookie:

He's slow, plays poor defense, has no mid range shot, can't hit the three, can't attack the basket (the two times he tried last night he was so slow/awkward an un-coordinated that he outran his own feet), and the only reason he gets rebounds is because he leaves his man to open/unchallenged to run to the basket and box out. Yes, he can handle the ball, but so can everyone else.

So what is it about him that everyone likes? He doesn't have any natural talent and doesn't even have average physical ability....he is a good team player and has a great work ethic.

So what is it about him that makes him popular and the guy other teams ask about?

That highlighted portion is what most posters have liked about him over the past couple of years, in comparison to some other players on the team who seem selfish and lazy. Otherwise, I don't think many of us have over-rated his talent.


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11/10/2008  1:55 PM
Sorry BRD, but I think he's another 'limited player', but a solid contributor (100% effort guy). Maybe if he had tenacious 'D' or an unreal jump shot...but I don't see such big numbers for a role player.
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11/10/2008  1:56 PM
Posted by Rookie:

He's slow, plays poor defense, has no mid range shot, can't hit the three, can't attack the basket (the two times he tried last night he was so slow/awkward an un-coordinated that he outran his own feet), and the only reason he gets rebounds is because he leaves his man to open/unchallenged to run to the basket and box out. Yes, he can handle the ball, but so can everyone else.

So what is it about him that everyone likes? He doesn't have any natural talent and doesn't even have average physical ability....he is a good team player and has a great work ethic.

So what is it about him that makes him popular and the guy other teams ask about?


I think as his game will improve with experience he will be more the kind of boring player that a lot of "rookie" NY fans will not like.
He is the type of player from NY past; when hard work, dedication, poise, and team concept were the essence of the game.
Some fans of other teams like Spurs, Pistons, Utah, etc. will gladly take Lee from our hands and he will help them win again and again.
Nobody think that he is a star; and nobody thinks that he must start if better option is available. Can you get a better player to replace what he does - I don’t think so.
If you need highlight we have enough of this; if you want stars trading Lee will not bring star to NYC. So let him do his things - help us win.














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11/10/2008  1:58 PM
Positives: Rebounding, finishing around the basket, HUSTLING, team player, good shot selection, smart, good passer, can put the ball on the floor, excellent at running the floor. Tries his best, at all times, on defense. When he has confidence, his jumpshot is great and nobody can stop him around the basket. Energy player.

Negatives: Not very strong, not very quick, which makes it a no win situation when he's on defense, even though he does try his hardest. When he doesn't have confidence, his offensive game is non existant. He sometimes needs to be a little more selfish, b/c he does have offensive talent.
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Rookie, to say he doesn't have talent is a little over the top. Are you just saying this b/c you don't like him? If you don't like him, that's fine, but don't let that cloud your judgement of a player.

I don't like Marbury at all, but I can tell you exactly how he can and how he can't help this team, in terms of his talents.
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11/10/2008  2:01 PM
"I think as his game will improve with experience he will be more the kind of boring player that a lot of "rookie" NY fans will not like."

He has an expiring contract.

"Nobody think that he is a star; and nobody thinks that he must start if better option is available. Can you get a better player to replace what he does - I don’t think so."

Can you get him to do what he does next year? He has an expiring contract.
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11/10/2008  2:09 PM
"Rookie, to say he doesn't have talent is a little over the top. Are you just saying this b/c you don't like him? If you don't like him, that's fine, but don't let that cloud your judgement of a player."

I do like him - team player, unselfish, not a head case, 100% effort, GREAT work ethic. It's refreshing in this day and age of professional athletes. He's a real throw back. Maybe I should have said that I just wish he had a little bit 'more' of natural talent.

I hope we can keep him next year, but not if he gets expensive.
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11/10/2008  2:12 PM
Posted by Rookie:

"I think as his game will improve with experience he will be more the kind of boring player that a lot of "rookie" NY fans will not like."

He has an expiring contract.

"Nobody think that he is a star; and nobody thinks that he must start if better option is available. Can you get a better player to replace what he does - I don’t think so."

Can you get him to do what he does next year? He has an expiring contract.

Last year he was surrounded by players who give up in a no-system with maniac coaching.
Now he is playing in the system where ball must be shared by everybody. Moreover the player who is in better position to score should get the ball.
Lee is not our best finisher so he will have less production by definition if he will embrace D'Antony system.
But his role of creating fast breaks, finding open man, and make intermediate passes will increase dramatically and we can see this a lot.
He will not play like last season and he should not.
Believe me - if he will not do what Mike want; he will not play big minutes or will not play at all.
And this is true not only about Lee but about all team.







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11/10/2008  2:16 PM
I don't like Lee all that much, so I aint ya'll
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11/10/2008  2:19 PM
"But his role of creating fast breaks, finding open man, and make intermediate passes will increase dramatically and we can see this a lot."

Is it really that hard to see an open man and pass him the ball?
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11/10/2008  2:20 PM
Posted by Rookie:

"But his role of creating fast breaks, finding open man, and make intermediate passes will increase dramatically and we can see this a lot."

Is it really that hard to see an open man and pass him the ball?

Zach Randolph can't do it and neither can Eddy Curry.
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11/10/2008  2:24 PM
"Zach Randolph can't do it and neither can Eddy Curry."

What about Chandler or Jeffries?
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11/10/2008  2:27 PM
Posted by Rookie:

"Zach Randolph can't do it and neither can Eddy Curry."

What about Chandler or Jeffries?

I used Curry and Randolph as examples because they are big men which is what Lee is. There are not that many quality passing big men in the NBA but Lee is one of them.

Does this mean we should pay Lee 10 million a year? I don't think so.

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11/10/2008  2:28 PM
Lee has an excuse but Zach has no excuse?

The only center David Lee is playing is jumping the ball. Oh yeah, as of right now, well 2 games........DAVID LEE HAS BEEN COMING OF THE BENCH!!!!!!.......so I ask any of you........what center is he playing? How come Zach doesn't have a problem dropping his usual numbers no matter who's guarding him?

Now I like David Lee but I'm groing tired of the excuses. Its not fair how everyone else has to be thrown under the bus but David Lee has EXCUSES!!!!!
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11/10/2008  2:31 PM
Posted by Rookie:

"Zach Randolph can't do it and neither can Eddy Curry."

What about Chandler or Jeffries?

Jefferies has NO talent offensively, including passing. Chandler shoots almost everytime he touches the ball and has A LOT to learn. This is essentially his rookie year. And no, finding the open man isn't the easiest thing to do when there are a million things going on the court, and a ton of places to look. David's passing ability is a VERY GOOD skill. He's no Vlade Divac, Chris Webber, Shaq or Arvydas Sabonis, but he's very good regardless of that.

David is the best passing big man on the team and maybe one of the top 5 passers, generally, on the team. I trust him very much, making decisions with the ball.
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11/10/2008  2:33 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Lee has an excuse but Zach has no excuse?

The only center David Lee is playing is jumping the ball. Oh yeah, as of right now, well 2 games........DAVID LEE HAS BEEN COMING OF THE BENCH!!!!!!.......so I ask any of you........what center is he playing? How come Zach doesn't have a problem dropping his usual numbers no matter who's guarding him?

Now I like David Lee but I'm groing tired of the excuses. Its not fair how everyone else has to be thrown under the bus but David Lee has EXCUSES!!!!!

Who's making excuses for him? I think all of us have said he is a trade candidate if he can't improve his defense and get consistent with his jumpshot.
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