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11/8/2008  5:45 PM
After saying he intended to return David Lee to the starting lineup Sunday so he and Zach Randolph could deal with the size of Utah's Mehmet Okur and Carlos Boozer, Mike D'Antoni said Saturday he changed his mind.

He'll start Wilson Chandler for a second straight game in Lee's stead because despite his four-inch height advantage over Chandler, the 7-foot Okur is more of a perimeter player.

True, except there seems more to this than that.

Chandler has been energizing the Knicks the way Lee used to off the bench, but hasn't the past three games, when he pulled down just seven rebounds, including a mere one (in the fourth quarter) Friday in Washington.

Lee's looked sluggish, distracted (by all the trade rumors about him, clearly) and not as comfortable in D'Antoni's offense as he did in Larry Brown's and Isiah Thomas' more conventional sets, in which he spent more time in and around the paint than he does now.

Hence, his diminshed rebounds per game (5.8) in essentially the same minutes as the past two seasons, when he averaged 10.4 and 8.9. Chandler, meanwhile, is almost the same playing time, is pulling down six per game and outscoring Lee, 14.0-10.6.

Lee, though, barely admits he's less comfortable in the new system and pledges no worry, same as D'Antoni.

Yet, he's had his greatest success in the past off the bench, so perhaps that's his role.

Perhaps D'Antoni is looking for someone to play a little defense, too, for which Chandler is better suited than Lee. Antawn Jamison (whom Chandler presumably started to guard Friday, the coach said) did most of his damage against Lee, not Chandler.

The Knicks also have not blocked a shot in three of their first five games and of the five they swatted in their two other games, Chandler has three. And they've been outrebounded in all five of their games, four with Lee in the lineup.

Or perhaps the Knicks are getting ready to trade Lee before he exposes himself as a player who provides diminished returns as a starter, thus diminishing his trade value. Golden State, clearly, would pull the trigger on an Al Harrington deal if Lee's included and maybe even take Eddy Curry off the Knicks' hands, too.

In that regard, the Knicks also may be looking at how Chandler fits their lineup to determine if they can deal Lee.

Bottom line: This doesn't seem like a two-game change, for whatever reason.

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11/8/2008  6:07 PM
There you go. Lee trade value is falling as fast as the dow jones.
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11/8/2008  6:11 PM
This is the way it works in a Merit driven atmosphere. You have to earn everything and if you don't perform you can lose your spot. Sometimes it's more of a situation where you can get shown up by a guy behind you, if they show more when given a chance. HUNGER is the operative word. Chandler has the hunger right now and he's taking the opportunity by the throat. Lee may eventually get back to being the player we need him to be, but right now he looks a little passive.

This system will show what you're made of and if you really have the skills to succeed in it. This is what this season is all about. Learning who we should keep and who to let go.
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11/8/2008  6:19 PM
nba.com lists Lee at 6'9 and Chandler at 6'8. How does that translate into a "four-inch height advantage" for Lee?
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11/8/2008  6:22 PM
Posted by Ira:

nba.com lists Lee at 6'9 and Chandler at 6'8. How does that translate into a "four-inch height advantage" for Lee?

The article refers to Okur's height advantage over Chandler.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 11-08-2008 6:23 PM]
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11/8/2008  6:47 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

There you go. Lee trade value is falling as fast as the dow jones.

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11/8/2008  7:00 PM
At this point, Chandler should be given a chance to start. Let Lee work his way back off the bench if it's in the cards. Good healthy competition is what we need also.
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11/8/2008  8:13 PM
Lee's looked sluggish, distracted (by all the trade rumors about him, clearly) and not as comfortable in D'Antoni's offense as he did in Larry Brown's and Isiah Thomas' more conventional sets, in which he spent more time in and around the paint than he does now.

This is the kind of excuse making that I can't stand. Every other player would just be playing bad. But for Lee, they have a bunch of excuses lined up.

he's distracted by trade rumors. They gush about how smart he is but he can't figure out D'Antoni's sets yet, but somehow, Robinson, chandler, and Randolph can?

When you play bad, you play bad whatever the reason. To me he doesn't look like he took his conditioning as seriously as some of the other guys for the second year in a row. He didn't expand his game by committing to defense or developing at least one offensive move he can go to. Who's fault is that?

One set of rules for all players.

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11/8/2008  8:14 PM
Oh, and the guy who should go to the bench is Q not Lee.

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11/8/2008  8:26 PM
Posted by oohah:

Oh, and the guy who should go to the bench is Q not Lee.

oohah

D'Antoni gets too in love with his small line ups. Yes, Q understands the system, but we need more rebounding, not less.
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11/8/2008  8:38 PM
Posted by oohah:

Oh, and the guy who should go to the bench is Q not Lee.

oohah

based on the stats D Lee's playing worse this year... he's averaging more minutes but less rebounds per minute than Q & Q's averaging more points & plays some D at least... maybe a stint on the bench will do Lee some good & he'll get back to the same kinda mentality he had in years past coming in & banging for boards against the other team's second stringers?
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11/8/2008  8:54 PM
I side with oohah on this conditioning issue. I find it ironic that the two players that suppose to have been working out together during the summer, Lee and Gallinari both have conditioning issues. Me wonders if the workouts included a lot of night life and little else.
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11/8/2008  9:18 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

I side with oohah on this conditioning issue. I find it ironic that the two players that suppose to have been working out together during the summer, Lee and Gallinari both have conditioning issues. Me wonders if the workouts included a lot of night life and little else.

Are you saying they are dating each other?

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11/8/2008  9:50 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Pharzeone:

I side with oohah on this conditioning issue. I find it ironic that the two players that suppose to have been working out together during the summer, Lee and Gallinari both have conditioning issues. Me wonders if the workouts included a lot of night life and little else.

Are you saying they are dating each other?

oohah

Well we know how lonely it's been for David without his guyfriend, Channing.
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11/8/2008  10:00 PM
IMO It's silly to keep harping on Gallo's situation. The guy wasn't able or allowed to really push it working out. Heck you can't lift anything over your head with a spinal issue and there are any number of other exercises that would likely be off limits. He's got to be allowed to heal and develop. He can't get it done RIGHT NOW, but can you give the guy a chance to see what he's gonna be. MAYBE MORE THAN 5 GAMES into the season!?! GEEZ! Somehow we've got to get past this idea that Gallo is some kind of bust already. WE don't know that yet and really for most rooks we don't know that yet, so what the heck is the deal?

Now as for Lee. The guy is going thru some things, but he's gonna have to bust it like anyone else. He may never fully change his game to perfectly suit the system, much like Jamal hasn't, but he can probably still do more to contribute than he has. I fully expect that he'll step up and show us more than he has so far. If not then he'll likely be out of here, as he should, if he can't cut it.
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11/8/2008  10:18 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Pharzeone:

I side with oohah on this conditioning issue. I find it ironic that the two players that suppose to have been working out together during the summer, Lee and Gallinari both have conditioning issues. Me wonders if the workouts included a lot of night life and little else.

Are you saying they are dating each other?

oohah

No...
He is saying they both white.
Whites always have conditioning problems.
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11/8/2008  10:19 PM
DLee's play will be dictated by how good Dunhon plays. If Duhon continues dishing the ball like he did last game then I am sure he will find DLee on a couple of those assists.
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11/8/2008  10:27 PM
Posted by nixluva:

IMO It's silly to keep harping on Gallo's situation. The guy wasn't able or allowed to really push it working out. Heck you can't lift anything over your head with a spinal issue and there are any number of other exercises that would likely be off limits. He's got to be allowed to heal and develop. He can't get it done RIGHT NOW, but can you give the guy a chance to see what he's gonna be. MAYBE MORE THAN 5 GAMES into the season!?! GEEZ! Somehow we've got to get past this idea that Gallo is some kind of bust already. WE don't know that yet and really for most rooks we don't know that yet, so what the heck is the deal?

Now as for Lee. The guy is going thru some things, but he's gonna have to bust it like anyone else. He may never fully change his game to perfectly suit the system, much like Jamal hasn't, but he can probably still do more to contribute than he has. I fully expect that he'll step up and show us more than he has so far. If not then he'll likely be out of here, as he should, if he can't cut it.

What? I thought you said his back was ok and not an issue about a month ago. Now he has spinal issues?
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11/8/2008  11:26 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by nixluva:

IMO It's silly to keep harping on Gallo's situation. The guy wasn't able or allowed to really push it working out. Heck you can't lift anything over your head with a spinal issue and there are any number of other exercises that would likely be off limits. He's got to be allowed to heal and develop. He can't get it done RIGHT NOW, but can you give the guy a chance to see what he's gonna be. MAYBE MORE THAN 5 GAMES into the season!?! GEEZ! Somehow we've got to get past this idea that Gallo is some kind of bust already. WE don't know that yet and really for most rooks we don't know that yet, so what the heck is the deal?

Now as for Lee. The guy is going thru some things, but he's gonna have to bust it like anyone else. He may never fully change his game to perfectly suit the system, much like Jamal hasn't, but he can probably still do more to contribute than he has. I fully expect that he'll step up and show us more than he has so far. If not then he'll likely be out of here, as he should, if he can't cut it.

What? I thought you said his back was ok and not an issue about a month ago. Now he has spinal issues?
Yeah right, I said his back was OK! Why are you bringing up what I said or didn't say about his back a month ago. The issue is why he wasn't able to get into game shape over the summer and the point was that he had a bulging disc and couldn't really work out hard. So that would explain how he ended up not being in NBA shape despite doing some light workouts this summer.

You however want to try and make some kind of case to back up your dislike for the pick. The jury won't be out on Gallo for a good long while, so give up the witch hunt and getting your shots in on the guy whenever you get the chance. It doesn't matter if he sets the world on fire this year or not. It's what the guy will eventually do over his career here that matters the most. If he turns out to be a very good NBA player no one will care that he missed games in his 1st year.

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11/8/2008  11:35 PM
Regarding Gallo, Berman reported that he is having shooting pains down his leg from his back injury currently. It is Berman and he has gone form mr. softpedal to mr. hard@ss but I think he is reporting facts because there was no rebuttal.
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