Briggs: that is a good point but at 32, NVE still has 3 or 4 good years left. Our younger players will benefit playing games in winning situations than in perpetually losing situations. NVE will help the knicks win more games period. Will he make us a champion. No but he would be nice player to have and let F. Will come off the bench until he is ready to start... Plus NVE contract is short with a team option so you are not tied to him for more than 2 years... If we don't have to give up any picks then obtaining him for what we have now is not a bad idea...

Let me explain this one last time.

Princibally you win in basketball with defense/ rebounding and the ability to get high% shots on offense.

What was our biggest problems last couple of years? We are an older slow team that doesnt defend well and cant get high % shots because we dont have enough quality interior players--and when we play very big teams our interior is negligent.

What this team needs to do is to establish Sweetney Lampe and even Dice[if he EVER comes back].We need two interior players who can score and defend inside.

IMHO, we have a better chance of winning with a Thomas Mcdyes combo than NVE. Why? Because they are both 50% shooters and can rebound and defend the post. If it becomes apparent that either lampe or Sweetney can do what Thomas does and Mcdyess is truly healthy, THEN perhaps we can look into moving Thomas. But I want to be patient here,there is no rush--no need forthe player because of the effeciency of how our PG position played last year and the need to develop F Williams--and also take into the consideration that you will NEVEr see Milos here EVER. And froma financial standpoint, i would be shocked if CVC doesnt want to control costs. NVE willcost 34+mm over 3 years if they option the last year.

We lose complete flexibility with a team that is older and has had injury problems.NVE makes us a WORSE D team slower and we have togive upthe one reliable inside player we have.Id rather trade KT for a pick oryoung player at the trade deadline if we stink.

We need to build a new foundation.a team with a huge skilled frontline exciting athletes who can defend and rebound from the 1-2 and skilled suffecient depth.

Tomany peopleare orgas m ing at what they sawinthe playoffs.

Letmeremindyou that NVE was TRADED by JERRY west for ty lue and the Lakers went on to win 3 championships. hes good as a sixth man type player. we dont need that-as wedont need van exel

you couldnt even trade for him until a week before the season starts.

you want tostart the line upof

C-doleac 6-11 260
PF harrington 6-6 230
SF van Horn 6-10 255
SG Houston 6-6 200
PG Van exel 6-1 195

wellihope we score 120points a night because we will be giving up 110

Posted by BRIGGS:

Let me explain this one last time.

Princibally you win in basketball with defense/ rebounding and the ability to get high% shots on offense.

What was our biggest problems last couple of years? We are an older slow team that doesnt defend well and cant get high % shots because we dont have enough quality interior players--and when we play very big teams our interior is negligent.

What this team needs to do is to establish Sweetney Lampe and even Dice[if he EVER comes back].We need two interior players who can score and defend inside.

IMHO, we have a better chance of winning with a Thomas Mcdyes combo than NVE. Why? Because they are both 50% shooters and can rebound and defend the post. If it becomes apparent that either lampe or Sweetney can do what Thomas does and Mcdyess is truly healthy, THEN perhaps we can look into moving Thomas. But I want to be patient here,there is no rush--no need forthe player because of the effeciency of how our PG position played last year and the need to develop F Williams--and also take into the consideration that you will NEVEr see Milos here EVER. And froma financial standpoint, i would be shocked if CVC doesnt want to control costs. NVE willcost 34+mm over 3 years if they option the last year.

We lose complete flexibility with a team that is older and has had injury problems.NVE makes us a WORSE D team slower and we have togive upthe one reliable inside player we have.Id rather trade KT for a pick oryoung player at the trade deadline if we stink.

We need to build a new foundation.a team with a huge skilled frontline exciting athletes who can defend and rebound from the 1-2 and skilled suffecient depth.

Tomany peopleare orgas m ing at what they sawinthe playoffs.

Letmeremindyou that NVE was TRADED by JERRY west for ty lue and the Lakers went on to win 3 championships. hes good as a sixth man type player. we dont need that-as wedont need van exel

you couldnt even trade for him until a week before the season starts.

you want tostart the line upof

C-doleac 6-11 260
PF harrington 6-6 230
SF van Horn 6-10 255
SG Houston 6-6 200
PG Van exel 6-1 195

wellihope we score 120points a night because we will be giving up 110

Our biggest problem last year was a lack of Dice for the year and no Spree for 10 games into the season. It was all up hill after that. And the fact that they don't have a intimidating center. KT isn't a center and he intimidates no one with his crazy eyes tactics. If anything he only catches T's with that. NOw that the Knicks can see Dice coming back and believe me when I say this The NYK management probably wouldn't be talking about trading KT if they didn't think Dice was right around the corner. You wanted Lampe to be the center of the NYK future then you have to make the moves to create space for Lampe to grow. For Sweetney to be a back up to Dice and Vranes to come in for spot duty. I feel for Frank Williams but if they were to get Eisley moved Williams would be the backup to NVE. I think the team wouldn't miss abeat without KT if any thing they might change their beat and make the playoffs getting the rooks some real game time experience which should be a part of the NYK agenda.

Ive never heard anything other than Dice will play sometime this season from NY. ANYONE who thinks he will be in the starting lineup playing 40 minutes is gullible. AT BEST,IF everything goes right---erring on the side of pure caution--iMHO the best DICE can do would be a mid DEC return. Its going to take 4-6 weeks just to get into game shape after doing nothing for a year--thats after he is 100% certifiably considered healed. If he has a CATscan scheduled forlate OCT,you can do the math/ Until dice is back and has played in 20 games without incident--count him as an IR player.

NVE is a good player---but he doesnt fit for this team.we have effecient typeof play coming fromEisley and Ward[although they need to cut ward and perhaps bring him back at a cheaper $$$ and work Frank into atleast 10minutes of PT]

Guys I wouldkeep an eye on this year in the draft includes Shannon Brown who Ithinkis the next Steve Francis.

Guys Ilike inthe next draft

Emeka Okafor
Kosta perovic
Shannon Brown
Romain sato
tokeepan eye on
David Harrison
LuolDeng
Torin Francis
Ben gordon


thats where we needto get talent from--that and the MLE

He had a great playoffs on a team where he is a 3-4th option.

I feel pretty good about the situation today. GS is basing it's new season ticket sales on NVE--take a look at their website and look who's on the front page. It looks like they will clearly retain him and thank goodness.I bet when it comes down to it that the Knicks dont want Van exel or his big azz salary.

The Van Exel trade possibility is dead IMHO. Next subject:>)

NVH is an upgrade @ the 1. Point blank. I like this deal.

GS cameout and said they werent trading Van Exel period. To bad :>)

NVE played on a very good team, better than ours.

He had a nice playoff. If bought here can he bring it on for 2 more years and avoid knee problems. He is a great player on a great team, but to carry a heavy load might not be a good LONG TERM solution.

Yes he is an upgrade, and can help us this year, but I support the long term building of this team, and am a fan willing to be patient.

Posted by tkf:

I am tired of hearing about a player bringing heart and soul to a team, that is fine and all but you need talent and skill to win, knick is a talented player at the point, and posesses skills that none of our PG's posess...

Some grit and fire in at least 1 or 2 players beats a bunch of soft players ANY day.