Well, I'm very confused as to what D'Antoni is trying to do at this time. Now he wants Stephon gone? I can see why Walsh is kind of balking at this move and wanting to sit down with Marbury.

It goes against all fiscal responsibility, that Walsh has shown so far. But to let Marbury go just like that goes against the belief and the two year plan.

It also begs the question as to 'what will this accomplish, if the Knicks have a two year plan and if Marbury is on his way out the door anyway'? I don't get it!

I'm getting the notion that we are in a 'win-now' mode and getting rid of Marbury is essential to that? But how can that be, when we're not even close to that mode yet? I am afraid that D'Antoni may have started an early war, that he cannot finish, not unless Walsh let's Marbury go. And if that happens, then the pressure is on D'Antoni and maybe Walsh to make sure this plan pays off.

With all that we have been through with Marbury, they should have just stuck to a plan with Marbury a part of it, at least until mid season, so we'd at least have a chance to trade him.

It just doesn't make any sense, not unless something big is on it's way within the next week or two. But going with Roberson and dropping Jr. didn't indicate anything like that. Not good decisions here lately. I think we should have just waited it out. This could lead to a lot more problems and end up throwing this new management team into a spin that cannot be recovered.

D'Antoni should just let the big moves be left up to Walsh (dolan) and keep the media out of it. Marbury is playing Mr. nice guy right now, looking like the victim. This could backfire.

we bought out Jalen Rose... we bought out Mo Taylor... buying out big money players in the final year of their contracts is not unprecented for Dolan.

i don't see any downsides to jettisoning Marbury except for having to hear his fans complain about the fact that we have scrubs like Mardy still on the roster but their golden boy can't stay... what will this team ever do w/o Marbury's distractions? it's hard to fathom a future w/o him.

to answer ur question, yes, i am wanting Marbury to be gone... for more than just personal disdain for the guy i've explained over & over how i think removing his distraction would be a benefit to the team & allow this franchise to finally turn the page & move forward.

Posted by 4949:

But does it really matter 'NOW' is the point of what I'm saying? Are we just wanting Marbury to be gone, just to be gone? It's another emotional decision, in a long, long line of emotional decisions. I would really like to see Walsh change that culture and mind set and do what is needed in a business way. Not an emotional way.

You are ignoring the fact that there might be an in house problem with Marbury that has not been leaked out to the press. Dolan wanted Marbury benched last year and I'm sure nothing has changed this year. If Marbury's teammates as well the organization keep him around? The Knicks organization is turning the page on the Isiah era and Marbury is the other side of Two Face.



[Edited by - BigC on 11-02-2008 12:56 PM]

i just told u my reasons for wanting him gone... don't think i need to repeat myself again... he needs to go... the mere mention of his name causes a distraction after every game that's played in NY... a rebuilding team does not need that type of distraction, they got plenty enough to have to deal w/trying to get everyone on the same page on the court & getting fatso Eddy to get his butt in shape.

not sure how being a distraction doesn't have a damaging effect on the team, but believe what u wanna believe.

49, I'm confuswed about your "notions" where did you hear that we are in a win-now mode? MDA said that the team is going in another direction and he'll try to win (what can coach say?) and Marbury is not in the plans for future. We also know that the 2010 free agent market is a key objective so getting rid of 21 million $ also seems a justified action? Dunno but to me it all makes sense. Him being a distraction is a concern and if he really becomes one
again he should just leave, he hasn't done anything for this franchise, no regrets just disappear.

Here's my overall view of it. I never' believed that the Knicks should have ever gotten into the spend, spend, spend, waste, waste, waste world with money. It's fiscally, fundamentally the wrong way to run an organization. It is the very foundation that has damaged this entire organization and I have been waiting for someone to come along, put a big fat foot down and say enough is enough.

I don't care if it's dolan's money or if it's New York. It's always been the wrong way of doing business and it has to change. And that is were all of my fundamental thoughts come from. Once the money is put into order, then and only then can this team make sound, solid moves that would greatly improve this team. And only then can we argue who will be able to do that for this team.

That is my foremost belief to the success of this franchise.

Well at least your happy.

It's the money. And I explained my view overall just a few hits above you. It's about principle. It's about time we have principle and start accounting for that. Yes, despite the negative forces on this team. But we have negativity everywhere, because we have no accountability. The entire NBA is laughing at us. We're a joke to everyone and we have to instill a culture that is going to nurture to our needs and possibilities.

Houston and Ewing's are bad reminders of the old way of doing business. We need a culture change badly. People are actually fighting over the Ewings. Think about that.

People seem to look for whatever flaws they can find, but in reality we should all be looking at the possibilities of what we have right now. It's not much, but it can be better if given the right formula and opportunity. The negativity has taken over everything.

And I have already stated that I want Marbury gone if he is 'damaging the team'. I don't care about being a distraction. He's only a distraction if people pay attention to him and a lot of people seem to be controlled by the media and what they have to say about it. Including me. It's a viscous circle of negativity. But if he's 'damaging' the teams psyche, then I don't want him here.

We need accountability. We need focus to do the right things. These are the things that are gonna get us there:

Fiscal responsibility
Focus on team effort & our youth development
Giving D'Antoni's system a chance to work
Fan support (which I think is much better so far)


Instead, the focus's are on Jr., Ewing Sr. being upset, because Jr. didn't get a fair break. People wanting to dump Marbury without hard explanation. People wanting to get rid of Lee in trade scenarios, getting rid of Collins, people wanting to buy out some of these contracts, when we are on a two year plan, etc. etc. etc.

It's crazy when you look at it from afar. It's got to stop. Walsh has two decisions he can make at this time. Either let Marbury walk, saving the teams insanity or keeping him on the roster, at least until mid season, stuffing him somewhere were he can't be much of a factor. Minimal damage.

Question is, even if we get rid of Marbury, when is it going stop? Walsh is in an extremely hard place to be in right now.

That's not what I said. Go read it again.

[Edited by - 4949 on 11-02-2008 3:40 PM]