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CrushAlot
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10/27/2008  11:34 PM
I am finding myself again questioning Walsh and 'the new era'. Getting rid of Ewing just does not make sense with Roberson and James both practical options for different reasons. I also have been wondering what the thinking is with David Lee. I do not think Gallinari will live up to his draft status and I think that pick was a huge one for the franchise. The 2010 philosophy/mantra actually seems very simplistic, short sighted and not based entirely in reality. I think there is a real risk of throwing away a reality based future in hopes of achieving a fantasy future. There are alot of teams who have set the same goal and most are much farther along in the process. The other task that Walsh has is rebuilding the reputation of the franchise after it was destroyed by Isiah Thomas. Step one should have been to fire Isiah. This did not happen and he continues to be linked to the franchise. Step two should have been to embrace some aspect of the past. Mark Jackson or Patrick Ewing on the bench or in the front office, keeping Junior, something to get the fans excited. Step three should have been to hire a defensive minded coach. I have been pleased and surprised with how well D'Antoni has done with the dysfunctional cast of characters he inherited. I think even the most basic coaching, structure, and expectations of professionalism and team goals was missing last year. D'Antoni has brought that back to the team. However, championship teams win because of their defense and because they play hard at both ends of the court.
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10/27/2008  11:40 PM
so far other than limiting Duhon's contract to 2 years i have no idea what Walsh's plan really is... he hasn't done jack to get us under the cap in 2010 & so far his draft choice has yet to show us much of anything at all to even judge his abilities.
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10/27/2008  11:42 PM
I think it's pretty obvious that Walsh has a plan to get under the cap in 2010. That's the only plan that's necessary right now and you can't trade these terrible contracts overnight. Jesus, give the man some time. All we do as Knick fans is whine about how things don't happen fast enough. Give the man some damn time.
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10/27/2008  11:44 PM
Maybe we should sign John Starks child and Anthony Mason's child too. Matter of fact let's call up every single child from the 1994 team and sign them just so we can feel fuzzy inside. We're all living in the past. You don't build a team that way.
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10/27/2008  11:48 PM
The Knicks Book of Revelation. We await a Savior in the year of 2010.
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10/27/2008  11:50 PM
I really can't judge a GM based on whether each and every one of his moves makes us all happy. I'm sure he's doing what he thinks is best - time will tell.
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10/27/2008  11:50 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

The Knicks Book of Revelation. We await a Savior in the year of 2010.

You got a better plan?
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10/27/2008  11:51 PM
I am complaining about the draft pick, the continued employment of Isiah Thomas, the waiving of Patrick Jr., the lack of any embracing of the past, the mindset that 2010 is everything when it may not work out, and the hiring of the biggest name coach on the market who has the tragic flaw of not coaching defense. I never mentioned a problem with him not making trades. Each of the things that I mentioned were conscious decisions on his part that he could have chosen to handle differently. I think he has made alot of mistakes. I think his mistakes are going to impact the franchise in the future.
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10/27/2008  11:52 PM
Two things that bother me is that Donnie Walsh has never signed a big time free agent in their prime of their careers and the Knicks haven't attracted one. That's a bad combination.
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10/27/2008  11:54 PM
Why do ppl fail to realize that Patrick Ewing Jr. sucks? He is 23 with very little skills. He is not going to get much better. Just because his last name is Ewing does not mean he will play close to his father's level. In waiving PEJ, we save money and when Marbury and Malik expire he can come back to the squad, hopefully with improved jumpshot and handle. The problem with PEJ is his father taught him how to play good low post defense. Only downside is he is 6'6 and other than defense and athleticism he brings nothing to the table. Balkman was a better prospect than Ewing. However if PEJ was 6'10 or taller he would be a lottery pick.
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10/27/2008  11:55 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Two things that bother me is that Donnie Walsh has never signed a big time free agent in their prime of their careers and the Knicks haven't attracted one. That's a bad combination.

That may or may not be a valid point. I don't know. I know Walsh made some pretty good trades. I also know that luring people to Indiana isn't the easiest thing in the world to do. Are you telling me that if the Knicks have a cap room that Walsh would not be able to make a good decision on which player to use it on? I'm pretty sure he'd be able to get someone to want to play in the Garden...
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10/27/2008  11:55 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Pharzeone:

The Knicks Book of Revelation. We await a Savior in the year of 2010.

You got a better plan?

My plan started back in May 2008. Draft an impact players and trade expiring contracts for younger players. I wouldn't have brought in a high price coach that wants to win right away. If you are going to rebuild than you truly rebuild. Right now this is more of the same. Trying to rebuild on the fly and say that free agents will just want to come to NY because well they want to come to NY is more of the same.
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10/28/2008  12:00 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:


My plan started back in May 2008. Draft an impact players and trade expiring contracts for younger players. I wouldn't have brought in a high price coach that wants to win right away. If you are going to rebuild than you truly rebuild. Right now this is more of the same. Trying to rebuild on the fly and say that free agents will just want to come to NY because well they want to come to NY is more of the same.

I don't see how it's more of the same when the Knicks have never made an effort to get under the cap before.
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10/28/2008  12:02 AM
They did with Ernie Grunfeld. That was how they were able to get Houston, Childs, and take on LJ's monster contract.
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10/28/2008  12:02 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I think it's pretty obvious that Walsh has a plan to get under the cap in 2010. That's the only plan that's necessary right now and you can't trade these terrible contracts overnight. Jesus, give the man some time. All we do as Knick fans is whine about how things don't happen fast enough. Give the man some damn time.

how is it obvious by the moves he's made? just curious... he had a couple chances to dump Zach's contract & refused every one of them... i'm not busting ur balls & not rushing to any judgements... i'm simply judging the moves he's made so far.
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10/28/2008  12:04 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

They did with Ernie Grunfeld. That was how they were able to get Houston, Childs, and take on LJ's monster contract.

I believe the cap rules were waaaaaaaaaay different back in 96.
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10/28/2008  12:05 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Two things that bother me is that Donnie Walsh has never signed a big time free agent in their prime of their careers and the Knicks haven't attracted one. That's a bad combination.

That may or may not be a valid point. I don't know. I know Walsh made some pretty good trades. I also know that luring people to Indiana isn't the easiest thing in the world to do. Are you telling me that if the Knicks have a cap room that Walsh would not be able to make a good decision on which player to use it on? I'm pretty sure he'd be able to get someone to want to play in the Garden...

You act like NY has never been under the salary cap. What history leads you to believe that players are so willing to play for the Knicks. I know players say it but when did it happen. Shaq claimed have don't sign Ewing and I play for you until Grunfeld realize that was total BS, that he had no intention on signing in NY and wanted to go play for the Lakers. The only guys that want to play for the Knicks are guys who grew up as Knicks fans. The funny thing is that the only guys that I know was sincere about it were Marbury and Anderson. God bless Houston, he wanted to play with Ewing. I just don't see the history.
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10/28/2008  12:05 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I think it's pretty obvious that Walsh has a plan to get under the cap in 2010. That's the only plan that's necessary right now and you can't trade these terrible contracts overnight. Jesus, give the man some time. All we do as Knick fans is whine about how things don't happen fast enough. Give the man some damn time.

how is it obvious by the moves he's made? just curious... he had a couple chances to dump Zach's contract & refused every one of them... i'm not busting ur balls & not rushing to any judgements... i'm simply judging the moves he's made so far.

you're right, he didn't make those trades, I believe he was simply waiting out a better package in compenstation. You mean to tell me that he won't be able to get those kinds of deals as Zach's contract gets smaller? I don't see why that would change. Zach could kill someone and a team like the Clippers would still trade a 2nd rounder for him if they have the cap room.
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10/28/2008  12:08 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

They did with Ernie Grunfeld. That was how they were able to get Houston, Childs, and take on LJ's monster contract.

Like I posted in another thread Houston was persauded to come to the Knicks by Patrick Ewing. Not Ernie Grunfeld but playing with Patrick Ewing as he said on many occasions including his introduction. Hey if you want to call Childs a big signing God Bless. LJ was a trade and if I remember correctly he wasn't a fan of NY. The Hornets wanted to get him off their books because of his back issue and bad relationship with Mourning.
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10/28/2008  12:08 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I think it's pretty obvious that Walsh has a plan to get under the cap in 2010. That's the only plan that's necessary right now and you can't trade these terrible contracts overnight. Jesus, give the man some time. All we do as Knick fans is whine about how things don't happen fast enough. Give the man some damn time.

how is it obvious by the moves he's made? just curious... he had a couple chances to dump Zach's contract & refused every one of them... i'm not busting ur balls & not rushing to any judgements... i'm simply judging the moves he's made so far.

you're right, he didn't make those trades, I believe he was simply waiting out a better package in compenstation. You mean to tell me that he won't be able to get those kinds of deals as Zach's contract gets smaller? I don't see why that would change. Zach could kill someone and a team like the Clippers would still trade a 2nd rounder for him if they have the cap room.

Uh...no.

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