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10/14/2008  9:33 PM
It's a little curious that Walsh had such a hard on for Duhon.

Collins is a bigger stronger guard on a small deal that plays solid defense, and gets to the basket a lot easier than Duhon. Not to mention he is in the best shape of his short career and if you played the guy I think you could expect the same numbers he put up at the end of his rookie season. He looks to be a lot sharper, jumper higher and making good decisions. Being 6'5 is an advantage at the position since very few guards have that kind of size.

Seems like the typical Knicks mid-level signing, duplicating something for twice the money for half the production.
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10/14/2008  9:36 PM
Experience is the key, I think. Duhon has the big league experience. Maybe their mindset was "hey, if Mardy can do it- GREAT, but if not, it can't hurt to have Duhon"
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10/14/2008  9:42 PM
Posted by Knicksfansince94:

Experience is the key, I think. Duhon has the big league experience. Maybe their mindset was "hey, if Mardy can do it- GREAT, but if not, it can't hurt to have Duhon"

Put it this way, bro: A few days ago, D'Antoni admitted that he didn't expect the 'chemistry' to be as good as it is. So when they signed Duhon, they didn't expect everyone to get along as well as they do. If they could do it again, I am leaning towards saying that they woudln't have signed DUhon in the first place. Words??

*I meant to edit my first post, but ended up quoting it. Ha. Beer is great, Words???

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10/14/2008  9:42 PM
Mardy Collins is not a good player and I will not sit here and jack off to him because he had a few decent performances in pre-season. He still sucks. He's a good defender but not much else he can do in this system, regardless of how "good" he looks in pre-season. Some guys just aren't more than garbage-time players.
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10/14/2008  9:50 PM
I think it's harsh to say he sucks when he finished the season his rookie season with 10pts 5rbs 5ass. He has good skills getting to the basket and was trying to get healthy last season. Knee injuries are a big deal. Arenas sucked when he came back and need more than a full year to heal.

Maybe Walsh though Duhon would allow Nate and Jamal to play off the ball and build their value, but not seeing Duhon doing anything impressive out there.
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10/14/2008  9:55 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Mardy Collins is not a good player and I will not sit here and jack off to him because he had a few decent performances in pre-season. He still sucks. He's a good defender but not much else he can do in this system, regardless of how "good" he looks in pre-season. Some guys just aren't more than garbage-time players.

You jack off to the games. Yuk!
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10/14/2008  10:04 PM
With Marbury missing on the offensive end, combined with Q's 4 for 13 shooting and 1 for 7 from the arch, that's an awful lot of missing points. At least we know why we lost number wise.

24 more assists. Not bad once again.

The thing that beat us in, because we didn't get the shooting numbers we needed form a few players, trying to finish in the end was kind of reflective of the kinds of games the Knicks played last year.

One thing I notice is, between Brown, Isiah and D'Antoni, pretty much all have lost there Knick debuts, in one way or another and the MSG debuts as well. I hope it's not a sign of the times again. But I'm going to remain positive. I just don't think they played as aggressive tonight as the first two games. Most of the numbers I am impressed with though.
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10/14/2008  10:07 PM
How was the crowd tonight? I'm waiting for Cosmic to post that ish, since my cable doesn't install 'till Friday.
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10/14/2008  10:24 PM
Marbury didn't score but he has 6 assists and zero turnovers. So he is either trying to get people involved or just not looking to score at all. Q was terrible.
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10/14/2008  10:52 PM
Posted by MS:

It's a little curious that Walsh had such a hard on for Duhon.

Collins is a bigger stronger guard on a small deal that plays solid defense, and gets to the basket a lot easier than Duhon. Not to mention he is in the best shape of his short career and if you played the guy I think you could expect the same numbers he put up at the end of his rookie season. He looks to be a lot sharper, jumper higher and making good decisions. Being 6'5 is an advantage at the position since very few guards have that kind of size.

Seems like the typical Knicks mid-level signing, duplicating something for twice the money for half the production.
Mardy scoring points in spurts is completely different from him trying to produce in a starting role. Mardy could not even dominate summer league. You 're talking about a Mardy Collins coming in a game with fresh legs against opponents that have been playing most of the game.
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10/14/2008  11:10 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by MS:

It's a little curious that Walsh had such a hard on for Duhon.

Collins is a bigger stronger guard on a small deal that plays solid defense, and gets to the basket a lot easier than Duhon. Not to mention he is in the best shape of his short career and if you played the guy I think you could expect the same numbers he put up at the end of his rookie season. He looks to be a lot sharper, jumper higher and making good decisions. Being 6'5 is an advantage at the position since very few guards have that kind of size.

Seems like the typical Knicks mid-level signing, duplicating something for twice the money for half the production.
Mardy scoring points in spurts is completely different from him trying to produce in a starting role. Mardy could not even dominate summer league. You 're talking about a Mardy Collins coming in a game with fresh legs against opponents that have been playing most of the game.

No, he's more than that. He's got some skill, can't understand why some people don't see that. He's a big heady ballhandler who's super smooth in everything he does out there. Can get to the rim and finish, really get down low and ballhawk the opposing lead guards and play the passing lanes well with the ability to come up with a good number of deflections. I really like his game a lot!!!
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10/14/2008  11:16 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by MS:

It's a little curious that Walsh had such a hard on for Duhon.

Collins is a bigger stronger guard on a small deal that plays solid defense, and gets to the basket a lot easier than Duhon. Not to mention he is in the best shape of his short career and if you played the guy I think you could expect the same numbers he put up at the end of his rookie season. He looks to be a lot sharper, jumper higher and making good decisions. Being 6'5 is an advantage at the position since very few guards have that kind of size.

Seems like the typical Knicks mid-level signing, duplicating something for twice the money for half the production.
Mardy scoring points in spurts is completely different from him trying to produce in a starting role. Mardy could not even dominate summer league. You 're talking about a Mardy Collins coming in a game with fresh legs against opponents that have been playing most of the game.

No, he's more than that. He's got some skill, can't understand why some people don't see that. He's a big heady ballhandler who's super smooth in everything he does out there. Can get to the rim and finish, really get down low and ballhawk the opposing lead guards and play the passing lanes well with the ability to come up with a good number of deflections. I really like his game a lot!!!

I'm sorry, I just don't see ANY of what you're talking about. In fact I see the polar opposite. He's not a heady ballhandler, he looks like a deer in headlights 90% of the time he touches the ball. He can get to the rim when he has shooters around him... but who can't? Ballhawking? We must be watching two different Mardy's.
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10/15/2008  12:33 AM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by MS:

It's a little curious that Walsh had such a hard on for Duhon.

Collins is a bigger stronger guard on a small deal that plays solid defense, and gets to the basket a lot easier than Duhon. Not to mention he is in the best shape of his short career and if you played the guy I think you could expect the same numbers he put up at the end of his rookie season. He looks to be a lot sharper, jumper higher and making good decisions. Being 6'5 is an advantage at the position since very few guards have that kind of size.

Seems like the typical Knicks mid-level signing, duplicating something for twice the money for half the production.
Mardy scoring points in spurts is completely different from him trying to produce in a starting role. Mardy could not even dominate summer league. You 're talking about a Mardy Collins coming in a game with fresh legs against opponents that have been playing most of the game.

No, he's more than that. He's got some skill, can't understand why some people don't see that. He's a big heady ballhandler who's super smooth in everything he does out there. Can get to the rim and finish, really get down low and ballhawk the opposing lead guards and play the passing lanes well with the ability to come up with a good number of deflections. I really like his game a lot!!!

Ball handling? The guy's dribble is shaky. And when players put pressure on him he can barely get the ball past halfcourt in time. How is he super smooth when his shot is as ruff as sandpaper mix with a Brillo pad? His jumpshot is broken like someone broke his risk. Mardy was barely getting by in summer league.

What makes Mardy better than Fred Jones playing point?



[Edited by - BigC on 10-15-2008 12:34 AM]
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10/15/2008  1:42 PM
I think Duhon was brought in to give us a stop gap PG that would be a nice precense. That could teach our young guys how to move the ball, play d and play hard. Not necessarily play well for us, but teach some of our guys some intangibles that vets like Stephon have not been able to teach. I'm not really expecting him to do anymore than say a Howard Eisley would do. Our PG of the future is not on the roster yet and I don't beleive that Mike and Donnie beleive he is either.

I also think the signing was meant to test Marbs. To see if he would step up and seize control of the team and be a leader, or if he would go back to his old ways.

As for Mardy. He's okay. That's all I have to say. he is okay
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10/15/2008  1:53 PM
Duhan only made sense if we were buying out Marbury..... since we still have marbury it doesnt make sense.

a PG tandem of Duhan/Collins would be nice with Jamal/Nate filling in at 2
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10/15/2008  1:55 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I also think the signing was meant to test Marbs. To see if he would step up and seize control of the team and be a leader, or if he would go back to his old ways.

don't agree at all here. i don't think d'alsh view steph as a pg at all or as a starter. he hasn't played with the other starters throughout camp. and he's played more sg than pg so far. he didn't lose his spot b/c of play, he lost it b/c d'alsh didn't want him to play pg.
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

I also think the signing was meant to test Marbs. To see if he would step up and seize control of the team and be a leader, or if he would go back to his old ways.

don't agree at all here. i don't think d'alsh view steph as a pg at all or as a starter. he hasn't played with the other starters throughout camp. and he's played more sg than pg so far. he didn't lose his spot b/c of play, he lost it b/c d'alsh didn't want him to play pg.

I agree. Marbury lost his position because of last season. Walsh and Zeke are very good friends. Marbury screwed over Isiah a guy who went to bat for him and Dolan, Walsh, D'Antoni and the players all know it. Walsh talked to players and they talked about last December and haven't forgotten. Marbury's mess is his own fault. That being said it was up to Walsh to get rid of the guy because everyone in the basketball world knew that he was still the best player on the team even after Duhon arrived. I think Dolan wants to punish Marbury as well, so no buyout. This isn't about basketball, it's personal.
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10/15/2008  2:20 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

I also think the signing was meant to test Marbs. To see if he would step up and seize control of the team and be a leader, or if he would go back to his old ways.

don't agree at all here. i don't think d'alsh view steph as a pg at all or as a starter. he hasn't played with the other starters throughout camp. and he's played more sg than pg so far. he didn't lose his spot b/c of play, he lost it b/c d'alsh didn't want him to play pg.

I agree. Marbury lost his position because of last season. Walsh and Zeke are very good friends. Marbury screwed over Isiah a guy who went to bat for him and Dolan, Walsh, D'Antoni and the players all know it. Walsh talked to players and they talked about last December and haven't forgotten. Marbury's mess is his own fault. That being said it was up to Walsh to get rid of the guy because everyone in the basketball world knew that he was still the best player on the team even after Duhon arrived. I think Dolan wants to punish Marbury as well, so no buyout. This isn't about basketball, it's personal.

I know it's semantics, but I never like the phrase "best player on team" with Marbury. He may be the most talented but he aint the best. Dude has a WELL of talent but barely knows how to tap it. At this point, all his talent is physical; zero smarts.
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10/15/2008  2:51 PM
Mardy is like a less athletic John Salmons without the scoring and rebounding ability.

Mardy has yet to show me anything close to be an NBA rotation player yet. You cant expand garbage time and preseason into an NBA role. Frank Williams has shown more NBA talent so far
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10/15/2008  3:16 PM
Mardy hasn't really had the chance to show his skills no one is saying he is a great player or an amazing ball handler, he was turnover prone but that seems to be in order he was injured all last year and confidence is all a player has and isiah didn't help anyone.

Rookie season Last 10 games played almost the entire game

14.7pts 6.3rbs 5.8assists 1.9stls 3.7 to's

Granted that's a very small sample size, but saying he isn't a good rebounder is ****ing absurd, the guy is much more athletic than he was in his rookie season. If you play the kid starter minutes you could expect something very similiar to the above with good defense

Preseason

PHI 19 min 2-3 6pts 4rbs 3ass 1stl
PHI 11 min 5-5 10pts
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