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BRIGGS
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10/2/2008  1:10 PM
The guys that they were desperately trying to get rid of Marbury and Randolph are probably the two best players on the team and may help the team more than they relaize and the guys that the new regime went after Duhon Roberson and Gallinari all have been bad or injured so far.
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10/2/2008  1:20 PM
Hahaha... You know you are probably right. But it ain't funny, it's pretty sad. As much as things changed they often remain the same.
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10/2/2008  1:38 PM
The only reason the old regime was able to acquire Randolph and Marbury was because they were severely discounted due to non-basketball factors. Everyone is well aware of their basketball skill, but is also well aware the reason this teams sucks so much is because the New York Knicks--out of necessity--have to rely on them. If they had never been acquired in the first place this team would be so much better off and that's the point.
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10/2/2008  1:45 PM
Marbury/Zach are certainly the 2 most talented players. They're also mental midgets, selfish, don't even pretend to defend & are career losers.
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10/2/2008  1:57 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

The guys that they were desperately trying to get rid of Marbury and Randolph are probably the two best players on the team and may help the team more than they relaize and the guys that the new regime went after Duhon Roberson and Gallinari all have been bad or injured so far.
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10/2/2008  2:04 PM
I know what's funny - every time you post.
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10/2/2008  2:11 PM
My take has been that we've all known there's talent on the team, but the front office has been so messed up that we've never had a cohesive team from Players, Coach to GM. I've always felt that if these players were coached and used properly you should be able to get far more out of them than we've seen. If LB and Isiah hadn't been total disasters and if Dolan wasn't such an idiot this team could have been better. Even with the same players we now have.

We're looking to move Steph and Zach due to their poor intangibles and not their playing skills. IF they ever bought in and actually did their jobs and became good teammates there wouldn't be as much of a problem. Still this team needs to improve the structure of the team and it's talent level to become a contender. IMO there's only so far a good Steph and Zach can take you.
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10/2/2008  2:32 PM
Steph and Zach are proven losers. They can take you to the stat sheet to look at their empty numbers & they can take your team to the basement. Neither is smart enough or unselfish enough to be part of our resurrection.
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10/2/2008  2:36 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Steph and Zach are proven losers. They can take you to the stat sheet to look at their empty numbers & they can take your team to the basement. Neither is smart enough or unselfish enough to be part of our .

What resurrection? With Duhon Gallinari and Roberson? get it?
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10/2/2008  2:52 PM
Steph and ZBO are the most talented players, surely. To my mind they can stay if they buy in to the system. But what's more important is building a team that plays a certain system and bringing in players that fit that system. Gallinari, Duhon and Roberson all fit what D'Antoni wants even though they are not big time aquisitions, they will help him implement his style of play to some extent.

If Zach and Steph help him implement D'Antoni's system they can stay, too. If they make trouble, they have to go. For the record I think Zach will do better than Steph. It's looking like Curry is the one who really doesn't fit.
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10/2/2008  2:54 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Steph and Zach are proven losers. They can take you to the stat sheet to look at their empty numbers & they can take your team to the basement. Neither is smart enough or unselfish enough to be part of our resurrection.

Other than Malik Rose please name a guy who isn't a loser on this team. I already stated that Jamal is a one of the biggest losers on this team, hell even Curry played better on the Bulls the year after he left. Far as I can tell so is Lee, since he's been a Knick he been part of this losing tradition. Jerome James has had a bigger impact on the Sonics than Lee on the Knicks. Hey I won't even get at him noting that Florida went on to win two championships after he left. Q Rich? The guy only winning season was one, with the Suns. The Clippers and Knicks both suck with him on the roster. Nate been part of the losing as well. All I can tell is that Isiah assemble a group of losers. No need trying to differiente which one is the bigger loser.
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10/2/2008  3:00 PM
I think its posiible to win with Lee or Craw or Chandler or Duhon or Nate on your team. None are guys that make for a 50 win season (or even 30 in '08). None are LBJ or Kobe, obviously....but at least they're not guys with intangibles that PREVENT the possiblity of growth. I'd rather have decent human beings as we look to the future than guys like Zach and Steph who have talent but destroy the fabric of every organization they've ever been on.
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10/2/2008  3:04 PM
That loser tag is garbage!!! What had Billups, Sheed or Rip done before they had success in Detroit? The guys in PHX aside from Nash had never done anything either. Pierce, KG and Allen hadn't really won anything until they got together. I think when you put a team together right you can win games. That's what Nelson did in GS. He took a bunch of guys that hadn't done much and found a style of ball that would work. He got them to buy in and they won games.

MDA has the same goal here. Take the evident talent and find a way to make it work at a higher level than it has. No one expects them to be world beaters, but this is just a start.
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10/2/2008  3:08 PM
There's a difference between playing on a losing team & being a loser (i.e. being the guy that destroyed the team's on & off the court chemistry). Marbury & Zach are not just losers, they're team killers.
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10/2/2008  3:08 PM
Posted by purple012870:

I think its posiible to win with Lee or Craw or Chandler or Duhon or Nate on your team. None are guys that make for a 50 win season (or even 30 in '08). None are LBJ or Kobe, obviously....but at least they're not guys with intangibles that PREVENT the possiblity of growth. I'd rather have decent human beings as we look to the future than guys like Zach and Steph who have talent but destroy the fabric of every organization they've ever been on.

Well, I am going based on facts. Crawford losing record his entire career, Lee losing record as well, Duhon two winning records and the rest, the opposite of that and Nate, you guess it losing record. Marbury didn't play for most of the season last year. That means Crawford, Lee and Nate earned their losing record on their own.
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10/2/2008  3:09 PM
Pierce, KG, Allen etc. were never like these 2 schmucks. They just lacked the ideal surrounding talent.
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10/2/2008  3:11 PM
Posted by nixluva:

That loser tag is garbage!!! What had Billups, Sheed or Rip done before they had success in Detroit? The guys in PHX aside from Nash had never done anything either. Pierce, KG and Allen hadn't really won anything until they got together. I think when you put a team together right you can win games. That's what Nelson did in GS. He took a bunch of guys that hadn't done much and found a style of ball that would work. He got them to buy in and they won games.

MDA has the same goal here. Take the evident talent and find a way to make it work at a higher level than it has. No one expects them to be world beaters, but this is just a start.

Pierce, KG and Allen all want to remind you that they been to conference finals before they were all on the same team. Sheed says hi too, Remember me on the Blazers. You got to do some research first my man.
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10/2/2008  3:15 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Pierce, KG, Allen etc. were never like these 2 schmucks. They just lacked the ideal surrounding talent.

That's the point. You can be a scrub but just happen to be on a winning team. You can be a good player and just not have the support to win. I don't think you can collect bad personalities and not expect there to be issues. I think we've suffered from that. Still there are a LOT of guys on this team that aren't a problem at all and if they were put in a good situation they can be part of a successful team.

Unfortunately our stars are guys with weak intangibles. We're obviously in the process of replacing those guys, but for now they're still around. This year I expect more leadership to come from guys like Q, Lee & Jamal. IF H2O is around the team I would hope that he can help teach the young guys along with MDA to change the culture.

They may not have won much in the past, but that can change with good leadership.
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10/2/2008  3:18 PM
Pharzone - yes, I understand. The were on losing teams. My point about those guys is that they could all be nice pieces with the right central players. Obviously, we lack stars at this point, but that doesn't take away from the fact that those guys can play nice supporting roles at some point. And while we won't get those stars now, maybe we win 30 games, but pass, hustle, work & don't field a roster that the fan base hates. I can deal with losing in 08. Its virtually guaranteed. I just don't want see the worst example of unprofessionalism in sports again.

But Zach & Marbury cannot bring anything positive from a team aspect. Both are team killers, team cancers, both are too dumb, too volatile, too selfish to ever do anything but destroy every team they'll ever be on.

The 1st move this organization needs to make is to send a message that these types are no longer welcome.
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10/2/2008  3:22 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by nixluva:

That loser tag is garbage!!! What had Billups, Sheed or Rip done before they had success in Detroit? The guys in PHX aside from Nash had never done anything either. Pierce, KG and Allen hadn't really won anything until they got together. I think when you put a team together right you can win games. That's what Nelson did in GS. He took a bunch of guys that hadn't done much and found a style of ball that would work. He got them to buy in and they won games.

MDA has the same goal here. Take the evident talent and find a way to make it work at a higher level than it has. No one expects them to be world beaters, but this is just a start.

Pierce, KG and Allen all want to remind you that they been to conference finals before they were all on the same team. Sheed says hi too, Remember me on the Blazers. You got to do some research first my man.

I know full well what they've done in their careers. Billups and Rip had done NOTHING until they got to Detroit. Sheed had been part of some good teams, but soon as he wasn't part of a good group he lost like anyone else would. He's not Jordan who could drag some guys to wins. Most of KG's career he failed to get past the 1st rd. Pierce wasn't a perennial winner and stunk it up when his teams were bad.

The point is that it takes a TEAM to win and it also takes solid leadership. We haven't had these things and so we lost games. Take any individual player and put him in a good situation and he could probably contribute to a winning team. Our players are no different. Chan, Lee, Nate, Q, Jamal any of those guys could play well for a good team. We just have to let MDA do his thing with these guys and see what happens. Then we can take what we've learned about those players and try to add what we need to make the team better.
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