Its odd to me that people still reference Steph, as if he has any chance to play another game as a Knick.

Curry is a helluve finisher too but he does not move with out the ball as well a amare, also steph and our guards make predictable passes. Its all about The PG and The Center.

Posted by Bippity10:

Personally I'm not to concerned with whether this particular team can succed with this system because barring an amazing turnaround of epic proportions this team is going to be broken apart over the next three years. I think this year is more about discovering who actually can perform and who Mike wants to keep around moving forward. Like LB he will want to find out who "his guys are" and then build from there. If Eddie and Steph can't perform under Mike then that's fine we know we need to bring in someone else, that's all.

if this is going to be a major process, that will take 3 years, then why did walsh only sign on for 3 years and d'antoni for 4? i think they will play nice this year, but i don't expect the *patience* to last...

Posted by nysportsfan11:

The misconception is that D'Antoni only coaches one way. D'Antoni coaches based on his personnel. He didn't just start coaching when he got to Phoenix.

He'll still want to find his own guys regardless.

Oh, I'll think they'll run. I think Duhon, Nate, Craw, Chandler, Lee, Gallo & (scoring wise only) Curry will thrive.

I think Marbury is done as a Knick. I think JJ1 is done as a Knick.

I think QBrick has little to offer as a professional basketball player. Ditto JJLips. Ditto Malik.

Posted by nysportsfan11:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by nysportsfan11:

The misconception is that D'Antoni only coaches one way. D'Antoni coaches based on his personnel. He didn't just start coaching when he got to Phoenix.

He'll still want to find his own guys regardless.

Of course he will, just like any other coach. But unlike some coaches, he's not going to throw temper tantrums and demand Donnie trade half the roster and 4 future first rounders for Nash, Barbosa, Marion and Diaw because it's hurting the D'Antoni brand to use more than 7 seconds to run the offense. He's not going to be utterly useless until he gets "his" guys the way some Knicks fans seem to wrongfully believe he will...many of whom hadn't even heard of the guy before Phoenix.

You just describe his first and last season with the Suns. Useless until the summer of 2004. His last season speaks for itself, he is now coaching the Knicks instead of the Suns the season after Kerr was brought in. I was quite aware of D'Antoni time with the Nuggets. For the record those who don't know or can remember he was pretty bad but Steve Nash wasn't on that team much like his first season with the Suns.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by nysportsfan11:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by nysportsfan11:

The misconception is that D'Antoni only coaches one way. D'Antoni coaches based on his personnel. He didn't just start coaching when he got to Phoenix.

He'll still want to find his own guys regardless.

Of course he will, just like any other coach. But unlike some coaches, he's not going to throw temper tantrums and demand Donnie trade half the roster and 4 future first rounders for Nash, Barbosa, Marion and Diaw because it's hurting the D'Antoni brand to use more than 7 seconds to run the offense. He's not going to be utterly useless until he gets "his" guys the way some Knicks fans seem to wrongfully believe he will...many of whom hadn't even heard of the guy before Phoenix.

You just describe his first and last season with the Suns. Useless until the summer of 2004. His last season speaks for itself, he is now coaching the Knicks instead of the Suns the season after Kerr was brought in. I was quite aware of D'Antoni time with the Nuggets. For the record those who don't know or can remember he was pretty bad but Steve Nash wasn't on that team much like his first season with the Suns.

I was just going to say this. The exact reason why he left Phoenix was because Kerr and he didn't agree on philosophy and Kerr wasn't bringing in guys he didn't want. So D'Antoni had a fit. This isn't a bad thing, any coach is going to have a fit if they don't get the players they like. I'm sure he will adapt somewhat to the roster, but if the team is made up of the majority of guys that don't fit his prototype he will want them gone as quickly as LB did. He may go about it in a more professional way, but he will have the exact same wishes.

Posted by nysportsfan11:

I love it when fans regurgitate media myths. That wasn't the exact reason he left Phoenix. The exact reason was Robert Sarver. The exact reasons were Sarver's infatuation with making Phoenix fans forget the Colangelo's ever existed, Sarver's desire to stick his nose into basketball decisions while admittedly knowing nothing about the sport, and Sarver not wanting to spend money on anything but old, injury prone, ball stoppers that he knew damn well didn't fit not just D'Antoni's system, but Nash, Diaw, Amare's or Barbosa's style of play.

But if you want to continue to believe the hype, the difference is D'Antoni NEVER had GM duties here and is working FOR an experienced GM that's actually accomplished something other than being the owner's favorite former player and golf buddy.

As for Denver, they were a ****ty mess before and after D'Antoni coached them for 50 games.

Always interesting when we can hear tidbits such as that NY.

I think when Sarver hired Kerr, it really went down hill with D'Antoni. Kerr believes in the exact opposite of anything D'Antoni believes in and I think D'Antoni was pretty pissed with everything that was going on there.

Posted by knicks1248:

To say we are going to sit through another 3 years of "LET ME SEE WHO FITS" BS is utterly ridiculous. The only thing that peolpe wanna here and see is that we make the playoffs this year, a little further next year , and the following year you would land your big fish to carry us into the Finals. we have no time for any kinda of 20+ season with baby steps every year. All thats going to do is start the fire "D antoni" chants. If anyone excepts anything less then an 8th seed, this year, then you obviously think things went well as plan with LB, IT..And if thats the case Your probably just passing by.

YOU, might just want to pass by this season without looking back, because you are setting yourself up for a long and torturous time as a fan if you think this team, without further trades, is going to make the playoffs this year.

This will be a pretty ugly season for us, especially the first half. It is going to be a season of disappointment and discovery, but hopefully, by the end of the year, we will have an idea of who is going to stick around and be on the Knicks, as starter or reserve, when they finally become a serious contender, and who is going to gone through trade, buy-out, or expired contract.

"Fire D'Antoni" chants, if heard this year, will be coming from fans who drank the Isiah kool-aid and actually believed that he had brought to the Knicks a combination of players that could eventually gel and do some damage in the playoffs. These are the same fans who were captivated by Balkman's hustle during his rookie season, but failed to understand that he never tried to address his flaws as a player. These are the same fans who think that because Randolph can put up some impressive numbers he is a top flight PF who Memphis should be happy to get. These are the same people who go ga ga Crawford put up 30-40 points in one game, and think that makes up for the 6/17 he put up in the next two or three games. These are same people who think that D'Antoni, with the wave of his wand, can turn Eddie Curry into Moses Malone.

To paraphrase the words of Mr. Obama: You can put lipstick on a pig... but it is still a pig.


... and this Knicks team is one big pig.